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OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by mekhanics
Go back and read my first post about how the belief that the CIA created Al-Qa'ia or trained Bin Laden is fueled by ignorance and then go read your above post again and really think about it.
I mean really think about it.
The guy in your first video talks about the "mythical bin laden" he is talking about the "myth" that he was ever a CIA stooge, hell he even goes on to say the CIA did not train Bin Laden
Then you quote me some rubbish about "Tim Osman" which has been debunked, Its such a frankly pathetic claim it does not even warrant discussion.
Honestly after getting that far into your post i realized you were just another one of these people who just believes it because its on the internet and confirms your confirmation bias so gave up, nothing I haven't seen before just more of the same truther rhetoric. I have seen it dozens of times on ATS and i will see it countless times more.
I am not going to try to change your mind because I know that firstly you never will and secondly it could never teach the history of radical Islam in a singly post, thread or book, so I am not going to attempt to with a few links. This is because i could not give the topic the attention it deserves and it would be insulting to you for me to assume i could change your mind with a couple of links and a 5 minute youtube video. I am very confident in my interpretation of history so I dont feel a need to justify it, I know as a matter of historical fact that the CIA did not create Al-Qa'ida.
its really that simple.
but no please go on, believe everything the internet tells you because that is what you want to believe.edit on 25-9-2013 by OtherSideOfTheCoin because: (no reason given)
mekhanics
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin
they also published a article saying that Bin Laden was trained by the CIA
I'm sure they weren't speaking from they're a## were they?
CIA Talks About Bin Laden Being Trained By CIA on CNN
Gunderson further confirmed that Osama Bin Laden was a CIA/Pentagon asset that went by the name of Tim Osman. Gunderson met Bin Laden at the Hilton Hotel in Sherman Oaks, California in 1986. At the time, Bin Laden was a representative of the Mujahadeen, the Afghan fighters resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The Mujahadeen were trained and funded by the United States during Operation Cyclone, as stated by Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser and member of the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg Group. Al-Qaeda is still run by the Pentagon and is used for regional destabilization, most recently in Libya.
The US government trained, armed, funded and supported Osama bin Laden and his followers in Afghanistan during the cold war. With a huge investment of $3,000,000,000 (three billion US dollars), the CIA effectively created and nurtured bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network using American tax-payers money. Afghanistan is one of the world's poorest countries, where such an enormous sum sum of money would have had extraordinary value.
Source
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Other info:
President Ronald Reagan Meeting Some Mujahideen
Reagan Archives
"Personally neither I nor my brothers ever saw any evidence of American help"
OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by mekhanics
Like i said to in in the first my first post to you it would be impossible for anyone to explain to you the complex history of Al-Qa'ida in a single thread or post and a knowledge of this history is essential in debunking "Al-CIA-du" myth. I would however suggest that you start by reading Steve colls book "Ghost wars" as it provides a very interesting historical account of both the CIA and Bin Laden during the Soviet Afghan war.
But with regards to your latest feeble attempt to "prove" Bin Laden was a CIA stooge with that article from the Independent in 1993.
I just happen to have a copy of it myself
and I will quote you a very interested line.
Bin Laden himself in this article says'
and i quote.
"Personally neither I nor my brothers ever saw any evidence of American help"
Again your own source debunks your claims, did you even bother reading that article before you posted it?
That's a serious question by the way and I would really appreciate a answer because it actually says the opposite of what you are claiming and you would know that if you read it
I think you are falling into a pit of ignorance that is common on this topic many who claim OBL was CIA use the same sources, the independent story is one as is the "tim osman" crap, and the video that you posted by the CIA man, their are a couple of others that I often see, I am sure if you continue with trying to prove he was CIA you will post one of them eventually. But regardless all of these can be quite easily dismissed by anyone who knows even just a little about Al-Qa'ida. However I think that you are just using the same rubbish that everyone else posts with out even bothering to check up on it first.
its the path the ignorance my friendedit on 27-9-2013 by OtherSideOfTheCoin because: (no reason given)
Dianec
reply to post by nenothtu
What's Reagan doing with the mujahideen?
I know they weren't killing people in the mid 80's but that has changed.
So maybe a part of this story is true - he was helping those who were fighting against Russian occupation. Freedom fighters? Yet now we know their are many within this group linked with al Qaeda.
I don't believe Reagan helped Osama bin Laden.
Osama and al-Zawahiri started Al Qaeda in the mid 80's and absolutely hated westerners - saw the US as corrupting the world.
In fact, al Zawahriri even stated in one of his books if we would have stayed out of it 911 would not have happened. So did we play an inadvertent role in all of that?
According to him we did. According to me we did - not on purpose but by sticking our noses in where they did not belong.
mekhanics
reply to post by nenothtu
My argument was weak. it was poorly presented I admit but I firmly believe that AL-Qaida was suggested by Mujahideen and CIA funded the group and eventually CIA trained those Mujahideen, including Osama Bin Laden.
If I'm wrong then I suggest you place your documented proof instead of lame opinionated argument which holds no facts, just buzzwords. Fail.
Burp! He was praised a 'Warrior' once upon a time Mr Martin.