The big bad Bible

reply to post by Wandering Scribe
The Christian God is also the Jewish God who has all kinds of power to act on earth .if you don't think so you could take it up with Israel . They are the earthly proof that God has power on earth .The Christian is proof the He has power in heavens . Two realms ,two witnesses . One God .

reply to post by the2ofusr1

The Christian God is also the Jewish God who has all kinds of power to act on earth .if you don't think so you could take it up with Israel . They are the earthly proof that God has power on earth .The Christian is proof the He has power in heavens . Two realms ,two witnesses . One God .

Or maybe they're just proof that we're an ungrateful arrogant species determined to make ourselves into something more significant and exclusive than we have reason to believe.

reply to post by Fromabove

Like I said, and like you have proven here, you either have faith to be saved, or you have no faith to be lost.

I have no faith in something that requires faith. And I am not lost.

It doesn't matter how you spin it, joke about it, or mock it. The Bible says that the unbeliever is the delusional one.

And according to this Koran in my hand, you should be killed for your blasphemy. No trial, no jury, just straight up execution for daring to follow anything other than Allah and his edicts as given to this world through Mohammed.

Does that sound fair to you? Does it even sound rational?

reply to post by defcon5


Have you read George Carlin's take on religion?

george-carlin-scripts.blogspot.com...

It's the last few paragraphs. What would your response be to his reasoning? I would prefer that you answer it point for point, as it's not just one drawn out point but a menagerie of comments and remarks that all feed into a theme. But you don't have to.

reply to post by AfterInfinity
?? can you elaborate . I am not sure I follow what you are meaning ...peace

reply to post by defcon5


Though I'm not sure if it was your intent, I'll go ahead and say "thank you" for pulling up the Biblical references that support my stance that, under Lutheran doctrine, the absolute worst of society can get into Heaven without changing their ways.

That whole thing about all sin being equal in God's eyes though... that's not the kind of thing which makes God look great. If God thinks shooting children in the head and then raping their dead bodies is the same amount of evil as being turned on by the opposite sex... yeah, something's wrong with your God.



reply to post by the2ofusr1


Israel is proof of God's power? Well, that Allah must be, like, as great and powerful as six of your Yhvh's.



reply to post by eggman90


Thank you!

~ Wandering Scribe

reply to post by Wandering Scribe
Yes , He said He would make them a cup of trembling to the Nations ,and would gather them back to the land for the battle of Armageddon ,when all nations would be gathered together to make war ....Now I wonder if all nations are gathered together over there ? I know the country I live in is there . Seems that the scene is being set . Shouldn't be long now .

reply to post by the2ofusr1

?? can you elaborate . I am not sure I follow what you are meaning ...peace

The human species is arrogant and disappreciative. It believes it is destined for greater than what it has been given, and will behave according to that belief. This is only exacerbated by the undying aptitude for subjugation and fixation on a master-servant relationship. In conjunction, it becomes a perpetual cycle. We serve in order to become greater, and the greater we become, the more we serve. There is no independence, there is only a synergetic network that insists the individual is worthless without the whole.

A rough explanation, but it's the best I have at the moment.

reply to post by AfterInfinity
I would imagine that there is a difference between a Master that is a unloving one and one that loves His servants no? I have a faint memory of reading about the different words for servant in the Greek text . Maybe another more knowledgeable then I could help explain ....peace

reply to post by the2ofusr1

I would imagine that there is a difference between a Master that is a unloving one and one that loves His servants no?

Um, I dunno. I'd rather not have a master period. Geppetto never acted superior towards Pinocchio, did he? There was no master-servant relationship, despite the fact that he did create Pinocchio, even if he didn't actually give him life.

reply to post by the2ofusr1
36. Parable of the Master and the Servant

(Luke 17:7-10)

Jesus tells this parable of the Master and the Servant in order to teach about humility.

Context of the Parable

In context, this parable is being told to Jesus' disciples.

The entire section from verse 1 to 10 appears to be a group of sayings taught by Jesus.

Jesus talks about stumbling (Luke 17:1-2), forgiveness (Luke 17:3-4), faith (Luke 17:5), and then he teaches about humility by telling this parable of the master and the servant in Luke 17:7-10.

Summary of the Parable of the Master and the Servant

To begin the parable of the master and the servant, Jesus says, "Who among you would say to your slave who has just come in from plowing or tending sheep in the field, 'Come here at once and take your place at the table'?" (Luke 17:7

"Would you not rather say to him, 'Prepare supper for me, put on your apron and serve me while I eat and drink; later you may eat and drink'?" (Luke 17:8)

Jesus then makes his point: "Do you thank the slave for doing what was commanded?

So you also, when you have done all that you were ordered to do, say, 'We are worthless slaves; we have done only what we ought to have done!'" (Luke 17:9-10)

Background Information for the Parable of the Master and the Servant

During the time period this parable was told, Jesus' disciples would have been very familiar with people having slaves and servants, especially if the person was wealthy.

Even if none of the disciples had servants themselves, this concept would have been very familiar to them.

The entire letter written by Paul to Philemon is mainly about Philemon's slave named Onesimus.

Meaning of the Parable of the Master and the Servant

Jesus uses this kind of master-servant relationship to compare an aspect of our relationship with God.

God is our king, and we are his servants.

Due to the fact that God created us, saying that he technically "owns us" is an understatement.

(Now, some people may not like the idea of being owned by anyone, but that does not change the fact that everything we have, from every particle and atom in our bodies to even life itself and our existence, came from God.)

Jesus' point is essentially: Do not be boastful or prideful in doing what you should have been doing all along.

Instead, when you are doing what you should be doing, be humble and realize that you are only doing what you ought to do.

Paul teaches a similar concept about humility in Romans 9:20 "But who indeed are you, a human being, to argue with God? Will what is molded say to the one who molds it, 'Why have you made me like this?'"

Paul's point is essentially that we have no right to complain or question God's decisions, just like the 'clay' has no right to question the decisions of the 'potter.'

However, as already stated, Jesus' point in this parable is that we should not become arrogant or boastful about simply doing what we should be doing.

Instead we should "know our place," so to speak, and remain humble.

(Although the phrase "know your place" may sound rude and degrading to some, because of how it is used sometimes to belittle others, it actually is really important that we know and understand who we are in relation to God.)

Also, if the phrase "We are worthless slaves," bothers you, please understand that Jesus is not calling anyone worthless.

Rather, as Jesus often does, he is using extreme words to make an important point.

We should not think highly of ourselves, as if we are better or more special for simply doing what we should be doing.

Meaning, children of God should not get "superiority complexes," because they think themselves to be children of God.

On the contrary, such a person is not a child of God if they think of themselves as better or superior to others based on their obedience to God.

We should all be obeying God, and those who repent (stop sinning and return to obeying God), are only doing what they ought to do (and for obeying, they will receive what they were intended to receive: eternal life).
www.messiah-of-god.com...

reply to post by the2ofusr1


Does one teach another about peace by insisting that he remain docile while being beaten viciously? Then how does one teach humility by demonstrating their own superiority?

reply to post by AfterInfinity
Your 2 part question and statement has me at odds as to what your point is ...can you try again to repose your statement ,question ?

reply to post by the2ofusr1

Your 2 part question and statement has me at odds as to what your point is ...can you try again to repose your statement ,question ?

This is what I posted before:

Does one teach another about peace by insisting that he remain docile while being beaten viciously? Then how does one teach humility by demonstrating their own superiority?

One does not teach a virtue by practicing the exact opposite. If you wish to teach humility, you should be humble. I do not see any humility in the character commonly known as 'God'. None at all. He is self-entitled and egotistical, always thinking of what he wants before anything else.

reply to post by AfterInfinity
I am not sure if you have any kids but they can be a handful to contend with . I think there is a bible verse that says ,spare the rod and spoil the child ..It may be something I was told from a Catholic person ,I cant remember but ,I think being responsible to tame the beast in someone may have to get a little rough . I am just saying ...peace

edit to add ...A hardened criminal in a prison situation may not be moved by kindness to conform to the rules and may have to be put in his place until he respects the rules

reply to post by the2ofusr1

I am not sure if you have any kids but they can be a handful to contend with . I think there is a bible verse that says ,spare the rod and spoil the child

Yes, spare the rod and spoil the child. The question is, what exactly would you be spoiling? That question depends upon what you want from the child. What does God want from us?

A hardened criminal in a prison situation may not be moved by kindness to conform to the rules and may have to be put in his place until he respects the rules

And who guards the guards themselves?

reply to post by AfterInfinity

I think it might be possible to take this so far away from the subject that it would look like the world trade center after collapse . God wants us to love Him with all our heart ,mind and soul . and to love our neighbour as ourselves .In other words do no harm ...peace

reply to post by Wandering Scribe

Though I'm not sure if it was your intent, I'll go ahead and say "thank you" for pulling up the Biblical references that support my stance that, under Lutheran doctrine, the absolute worst of society can get into Heaven without changing their ways.

Now you're just being dense. Only God knows. Not silly little men of the likes.

reply to post by the2ofusr1

I think it might be possible to take this so far away from the subject that it would look like the world trade center after collapse . God wants us to love Him with all our heart ,mind and soul . and to love our neighbour as ourselves .In other words do no harm ...peace

I don't know about that. See, if someone wants my love, they kinda need to be there. Like, in person. In the flesh. For me to hold and hug and look in their eyes and laugh and cry with them. It's much more real and genuine and authentic that way. But more than the physical aspect, it's proof that what I have with them is a two way road, a relationship of equal standing, which is absolutely essential if I am to love them. I can't stand being the bottom, and it feels abusive if I am the top, so I gotta be a pillar standing beside them. Two pillars supporting an emotional construct that owes its stability to our team spirit.

I don't see that happening with your god. So I remove the top and bottom aspects of the relationship by narrowing it down to one sole commander, one captain of the vessel. There is no top and bottom, there are no pillars, there is only me - the captain - and whatever crew members I choose to accept. And I shall allow those crew members to maintain whatever system of emotional management they desire as long as it does not interfere with my own. If it does, and cannot be helped, we shall part ways.

reply to post by eggman90


I have been taught that the English word belief is not really understood by some folks. You can believe something as a fact and yet not practice that belief.

3John 1:11 Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

Luke 6:49 But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.

Belief is a matter of whatsoever some folks want it to mean but Jesus' doctrine is that you get belief and then you have to practice that belief.

That's why he said that ----

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Now as far as Martin Luther was concerned, it bothers me when one man among thousands of scholars will try to change the minds of people without scholarly reasons for doing so.. Luther took seven books from the Catholic OT and tried to remove four books from the NT. I am quite sure that he had reasons for doing so but he was simply another guy with his own ideas. Those ideas flowered into the Lutheran organization and there are thousands who agree with the Lutheran organizations. Then again there are thousands more who disagree with his ideas.

To be fair why don't laymen go back to the very first Christian church before the Catholic organizations butchered the first Hebrew Christians and stole the Christian concept? Martin Luther only did what men always do. Kill,steal and build on that which they steal. That's why we see so many denominations today. It's always going to be like like that till one day all of this is going to be wiped off the face of the earth. Then it will start all over again. The secularists will eventually have their way and then a new guy will move in on the block and start it all over again, or at least that is what I see in history.