More porn stars test "HIV-positive" sending fears through the industry..

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Wrabbit ... your post was fine. You weren't 'ranting'. And ATSers know that you are posting
from personal experience and we appreciate your input. It's appreciated.

reply to post by FlyersFan


I made a similar statement, i was a called prude, i had to look it up to find the meaning... lol im far from it.

its like playing with fire, promiscuousity hurts!

luciddream
its like playing with fire, promiscuousity hurts!

It's just common sense, eh? Many multiples of sex partners - PLUS - no protection - PLUS - deadly STD - equals YOU'LL GET THEM. This is the DUH! factor. It's got nothing to do with being a prude. It's got to do with reality. If you don't want to get a deadly STD .. then don't have unprotected sex with massive numbers of people.

I'm not thoroughly convinced that hiv is even real. It's like the new-ks. There's no solid evidence pointing toward the idea that it's real. The evidence presented is based what could be fakery.

Wrabbit2000


I'm genuinely sorry if that is how you interpret what I said. I don't mention my life experiences or what I may have done or seen in relation to a topic for some superiority points or some such thing. It's to give some reference as to how I came to whatever conclusion the topic is dealing with. I respect and look for that personal context from others, so I have presumed it's appreciated in turn. Hmmm... Maybe not.

Tell me how often you believe that whole "I am an anonymous poster but I am heavily involved in this topic and have inside information."
Now tell me as a member of ATS how often you buy it?

No... I was replying to the comments and the thread. It's a story I read quite a bit about before ever seeing this thread on the matter, had already formed an opinion I spent a bit of time looking into, and so then shared it when finding a thread on the topic. Many seem to think the discussions on a story are somehow limited to what an OP chose to show for the event...when many of us are reading these things in depth, outside ATS and as often as not, before making a comment here on anything.

It was not that at all.

The new piece your story gave was the connection between that person, the condom law and who was the driving force behind it. That was, as noted in a previous post, a connection I hadn't made to the face before. Now that was valuable to know. So....a whole industry is in chaos and various stages of leaving California entirely or changing operations entirely...because she thought it should be that way. Her and some others, to be fair. Yup.... Busy Body activism. That's about the norm anymore...and A LOT of people were BADLY hurt beyond any documented AIDS cases from this one for what she's done.

Pretty sure no one ever forced her to have sex without a condom so what is she asking for?

* Outside of the 2 members of the "talent" portion, as it's referred to...there are a hundred more working lights, cameras, catering, security outside and everything else to make a film production set function. She didn't just impact the lives of the people being filmed...she screwed all those other people too (Not literally, I'd hope), as Porn leaves the over-regulated state and I doubt those who leave ever come back. That hurts A LOT for a state already DEEP in the red and where Porn was a major industry supporting tax revenue of all kinds. It's money they can never replace at this stage.

I definitely do not believe you know anything about porn. There are never hundreds of people working on any porno film. Never.

spartacus699
I'm not thoroughly convinced that hiv is even real. It's like the new-ks. There's no solid evidence pointing toward the idea that it's real. The evidence presented is based what could be fakery.

You mean other than the identified virus that causes it?

reply to post by 1104light

Tell me how often you believe that whole "I am an anonymous poster but I am heavily involved in this topic and have inside information."
Now tell me as a member of ATS how often you buy it?

Anonymous? I don't have my real name on my msgs because that simply isn't the format here. I don't pop up on the ATS Facebook page because I do, actually, go by my real name on that as well as making no effort to hide any of that within my google stuff. Heck, I own and help create websites as well as Mod'ing on a different one. It's just FYI I post this in reply, but I'm definitely not unique either. There are a number of folks on here, much like me and where it would take 10-15 minutes of work to get a real name and address. Much less if you've done it before. Anonymous isn't something I expect on any level beyond not throwing my personals up on a billboard. (errr... on my websites? well.. It's not a physical billboard, anyway.. I call it the Contact Us screen.... lol)

Personal context info really is given for the reasons said. Nothing more..nothing less.

Pretty sure no one ever forced her to have sex without a condom so what is she asking for?

Well, that was my whole point and reaction here. A law recently passed in the State of California requiring all porn productions to use condoms. Like an OSHA workplace requirement, but state specific to California. The Porn industry has been saying for as long as the idea has been going around, they WOULD leave the state if it ever became law. Well... It has, and... they are.

That's what the story would appear to clearly reference her as a primary force behind making happen. Her personal story makes it fit for context to the rest now.

reply to post by 1104light


FWIW, ATS has seom highly credible posters. Wrabbit would be one of those "highly credible posters".

spartacus699
I'm not thoroughly convinced that hiv is even real. It's like the new-ks. There's no solid evidence pointing toward the idea that it's real. The evidence presented is based what could be fakery.

The only elusive thing is the virus itself, the illness is 100% real. I've had two friends die of AIDS. Regardless of what you believe or don't believe, something very horrible exists that didn't prior to the 20th century.

Is anyone really surprised by this?

Drugs and promiscuous behaviour will lead to this kind of thing.

Its not rocket science.

bigfatfurrytexan
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FWIW, ATS has seom highly credible posters. Wrabbit would be one of those "highly credible posters".

Your anonymous internet post attesting to the credibility of another anonymous internet poster really means a lot. No, really.

How about we discuss the topic and people stop playing the "I am in the know" and "I know he is in the know because I do not know anything about him but his posts seem super true" game and get back on topic.

reply to post by 1104light


You're new here. I have seen you being really active over the last few days. And I enjoy what you have to say, agree or not. So i am telling you this just to save you the agony of looking like a fool:


the poster you refer to is credible. The tactic you are employing is a logical fallacy....not a good way to gain credibility yourself.

ETA: this isn't about me being wrabbits friend. To be honest, I believe he merely tolerates me out of politeness, because I do tend towards being a bit rude (to understate it) from time to time. This is simply about the truth.

I can't say I'm even remotely surprised at this.

Every industry has it's pitfalls and risks, this is simply one of the risks associated with the porn industry.

Anyone that enters this industry without considering the risk of contracting an STD of some kind is most certainly a fool.

Testing doesn't keep diseases away, it merely tells you if you have one.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Again ... wrabbit .... you are fine. You've established your credibility here a long time ago.
Ignore the diss'n and just continue on. You've got nothing to prove. Stay cool as always.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

lo rabbit,

You're awesome and all, I just don't think what tree you think the performer fell from or what your consideration of how she looks should factor into this at all. I don't really think slathering yourself in make up and having a manicure should be the top of a person's agenda at a conference discussing HIV nor should your taste in porn stars.

Regarding condom laws, that's not her fault either. The reason countries have government is they're meant to be capable of thought and appropriate action. I mean if I got HIV at my job, I'd be an emotional head case. This person has also had some pretty outside the norm traumatic experiences from what I've read so, from Cameron Bay's personal perspective, its a very unsafe industry even if that's statistically not the case. The same thing happens when a family has a child go missing, they campaign for legislation to keep children safer even when its not needed ... but we don't make fun of them.

Sorry if I come across harsh, but its not the wrong side of 'PC' that bothers me, it just feels there is a lack of understanding and condemning going on there with an initial reaction of 'wow she is ugly'.

This story reminds me of an old saying:
There are only two types of motorcycle riders, those that have had an accident and those that will have an accident.

reply to post by Pinke


I think I communicated my position poorly here and a very real contempt for a good % of the people working that industry isn't something I hide very well. There are some in that line of work that are decent people. Most I ever had any form of contact with were not nice people on any level. Not around the Porn Capital of the world...So. Cal and specifically, the San Fernando Valley ..which happens to be where most of my family was and still is ..in terms of how I'd ever..somehow..get around people in that profession. (someone earlier seemed in disbelief that normal people like me could know people in that area....as if screwing on film is some special status in life..lol)

Now in terms of the looks thing? Wow.. THAT was taken way way out of context and blown up at this point.

In a profession where looks aren't just important, but life and death career makers and breakers? She has the looks of a second string B circuit player. The peep show circuit isn't a figure of speech but IS, literally, where the majority of "I wanna be a STAR!" people who land in So. Cal with naive dreams and nothing to back them, end up. That was an educated guess as to her literal area of work within the porn industry, not meant as an insult by itself. A simple statement of fact, I'll bet is pretty close to dead on. THAT is something I did see as a kid out there, personally, and enough times to be sick by the destruction of young lives.

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In terms of the condom law? Umm.. When will people EVER stop nannying each other? If you join the porn industry as "talent" and you are screwing for dollars...are you NOT aware that disease exists? Are you NOT aware of the nature and transmission methods of AIDS? Are they NOT taking regularly required medical screens? If they are still willing to work 'bareback', by all means, let them. This obsession our society has with EVERYONE must be 100% safe from EVERYTHING at ALL times...even if risk is personally assumed by CHOICE is a warped and sick play on sincere concerns which agencies like OSHA were made to address.

No pun intended...but the law that woman helped craft did serious, and in very real ways hurt MANY MANY people beyond the two screwing on film ...all over Southern California, which is too depressed a market to absorb the new unemployment...even as a thought. So... She did destroy many many other lives as her own is destroyed by self-assigned risk in a freely chosen profession. I hope her time to screw up more in this world is a short one...and I VERY VERY rarely find myself feeling that way toward anyone. Even Ted Kennedy, I didn't feel that harsh about.

Her though? Oh... someone at least carry the Death notice when she finally kicks. I'll have a small celebration here for the fact she won't be destroying households with unemployment that woman sees as just a few eggs cracked to make her Nanny-State Omelette. Those eggs are human beings...and now, many, are benefit sucking human beings that never needed to be.

* You should know me by now..... I'm like a big quiet pond sometimes. Quiet and Calm up top for my thinking, but always a lot going on just below the surface. I'd never throw the level of serious opinion I did on this thread, out there for general consideration, and NOT have a very well thought out position ...I just don't feel like writing a book to back everything I say, every time it's controversial....lol...

Wrabbit2000
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I think I communicated my position poorly here and a very real contempt for a good % of the people working that industry isn't something I hide very well.

Then why are you so interested in the job market of the industry?

Not being incredulous or rhetorical, but I don't understand why you care so much if you hate these people.

In a profession where looks aren't just important, but life and death career makers and breakers? She has the looks of a second string B circuit player.

Understand what you're saying. I can't tell the difference personally. If you were saying she doesn't look like a mainstream pro performer I think it would be getting met with less hostility, or basing it off a body of work I guess.

Even then, it seems the group she worked for followed legislation which means it doesn't matter?

If they are still willing to work 'bareback', by all means, let them.

I think the issue some performers and women have is they don't have a choice because its basically a requirement if they want to continue getting work. I'm not sure what it is, but if a footballer or rugby player is injured badly or disabled very few people stand around gloating or discussing bad life choices, and sometimes rules are changed. If someone gets hurt because of an accident in a play ground and there is a push for rubber instead of concrete and more supervision, people are a lot less vicious... but with pornstars everyone seems to go nutso and squeal 'serves them right'.

Porn stars have the right to campaign for better conditions in their industry, the same way stunt doubles, fast food workers, and miners do. It might be a consumer demand that no condoms are used, but I still think most pornstars would prefer to use protection.

I suppose it also confuses me the large number of persons that watch porn and also have not much sympathy for performers and the risk they take.

This obsession our society has with EVERYONE must be 100% safe from EVERYTHING at ALL times...

I don't disagree in some contexts, suppose I am just observing how rebellion against that obsession seems to target certain demographics more than others. Though I do think it's always push and pull ... ie I wouldn't want to see slavery brought back because of 'choice', and I won't work 18 hour days because my dork colleagues choose to.

No pun intended...but the law that woman helped craft

I did a bit of research, I could only find 2012 legislation, nothing to do with this current person. I guess it won't change that she supports changes though.

She did destroy many many other lives as her own is destroyed by self-assigned risk in a freely chosen profession.

We will have to agree to disagree to a point. The statistical likelihood of this happening to her are low by some very aggressive sources, and I wouldn't be gloating over an injured player in a contact sport and I won't really gloat about this.

I'll have a small celebration here for the fact she won't be destroying households

I'd like to think you wouldn't support this, but the same type of logic was used to defend the asbestos industry and piles of other things. I think there is a grey area, there will always be risk in a lot of industries and the victims of that risk will always want to make changes. Some of those changes have been good though.

Note: I'd have to write piles about this. I suspect regulating condoms in pornography simply won't happen due to the internet etc etc etc ... but as I say above, I still think most performers would prefer to use them.

I just don't feel like writing a book to back everything I say, every time it's controversial....lol...

edit on 21-9-2013 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

I know where you're coming from ... I try to say what I mean with the time and space given to me, and it's really hard with written word sometimes. Is probably why am not running around on fire and throwing my shoes at persons when these conversations come up ... Normally there *is* reasoning behind why persons think the way they do.

I don't always agree with it, but I'd rather understand where a person is coming from and just give them something to think about. I suppose I understand a little more but it still seems harsh to me ... perhaps colored by personal experience?

Continue thinking and talking away though.