Man plotted to kill and eat children, feds say

This is just absolutely horrifying. What a disgusting, vile, pig of a "man."

I hope he's put in the gen pop in prison...

What freaked me out the most? How "normal" his house looked from the outside. I can truly say in this instance, I am glad the NSA and Justice Department can spy on monsters like this. I have no problem with that as long as they use their goods to get total POS's like this piece of meat off the streets and into a cell for a very, very long time.

Wait a minute..., didn't the article say there are images of kids being cooked? Who are these other kids?!!!

I agree he shouldn't be allowed into society anymore. He should be imprisoned. However, I do not agree he should be left to rot in a cell, or left to be killed by other inmates, or executed. Please let me explain before you get upset with me, I think this is important.

I can understand the urge to "see justice served", to have revenge, and eye-for-an-eye, one less creep on the street, etc. However, acting on these feelings is self indulgent and actually harmful.

This man should be locked away, but kept safe, and STUDIED. If we can come to understand WHY people become this way, we can take preventive measures to stop it from ever happening. We can learn how to help people like this, or stop them from ever becoming like this.

We keep waiting for kids to get raped and killed, then killing the rapists and murderers. That's irresponsible, selfish, and only gets more kids hurt in the long run.

We have such a "KILL THE PEDOS!" attitude worldwide, that even those who WANT to seek help are afraid to, and for good reason. There's no one they can talk to who they can truly trust. There is nowhere for them to turn, because everyone is out to get them even if they have not acted on their urges. So they are stuck in their own heads, and stewing in their sick thoughts until they can't control it anymore.

Or worse, they seek the only community that will accept them, other pedophiles. This quickly leads to support of their urges and suddenly it doesn't seem so wrong to them after all, especially when presented with more complex cases where abused children have stuck up for their abusers publicly.

There is obviously a problem, but we are doing nothing to try to understand it. We just keep playing whack-a-mole and wondering why things aren't improving, which is stupid.

So yeah, life imprisonment for sure on this guy, but we should also make use of this opportunity to learn instead of just throwing it away and waiting for the next kid-dinner to turn up.

suz62
Nevermind. No one gives a s### anyway.

edit on 9/18/2013 by suz62 because: (no reason given)

I do, Suz.

I'm both horrified and sickened to see the responses on this thread. Everyone has pitchforks and lighted torches in their hands, ready to rip apart this "monster" when in actuality, he hasn't done anything.

This is a huge example of thought crime in today's society. How did he get 26 years for having pornography?
Yes, he's mentally ill. Yes, he has the POTENTIAL to be the monster you all want to dismember.
No, he hasn't committed any barbaric acts no matter how much "planning" has gone into it.

But, think of all the actual monsters out there, who do terrible things to children every day and so many still continue to get away with it. I have rarely met a women who wasn't, at some point in their life, molested in some degree. I've heard stories from friends and family in the social working careers that make me want to put people into a wood chipper from the horrors they have done, but, they just get through the system time and time again.

This man, could have, at any point in his life, crossed the line into the maniacal psychopath you are all making him out to be, but he did not do so. He may have built a dungeon and given in to his horribly sick desires as much as he could, but he did it without actually hurting anyone.

Does he deserve to be analyzed and treated with therapy? Most assuredly. Does he need to be incarcerated for 26 years and killed for merely owning pornography? No.

If you all have the ideal puritan minds you claim to have, why are you crying out for blood?

Not all people have the luxury of a healthy "normal" mind and desire. Perhaps judgement should be passed so harshly without knowing all the details about a man who hasn't committed a crime worthy of death.

reply to post by suz62

A horrible childhood is NO EXCUSE-mine was,I have known men who had the same,as had many members here-it does NOT excuse behaving like a demon,or planning to.There comes a point where this sorry excuse has to be seen for what it is-nonsense-the evidence is the millions of people who also had horrid childhoods and yet refrain from hurting others because of it.

Nothing excuses this-and the sooner things like this guy are publicly executed the better.
For anyone who wants to debate this-save it for some other member-i stand by what I said.

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It's refreshing to see someone who can discuss such a sensitive issue without just seeing red. It's the "torches and pitchforks" mob mentality that keeps these people hidden away until the finally snap. I understand why people get worked up, but it's counterproductive to do so and only perpetuates the cycle.

reply to post by AlliumIslelily

He had plenty of oppurunity to reach out for help-if you are so determined to get help to stop you from fulfilling demonic desires,you will find help-even if it means being locked up in a mental institution for the remainder of your life.He did not.
He was all set up to do what he planned-he was just waiting for the right moment,the opportunity to do these things to a child-as his contacts had already done.

I understand what you are saying,I just don't agree-and studying one such individual,or all such individuals like these,will still all come to naught in the end-because every person's psychology is different,their life experiences,their "triggers" etc.
Had this man approached the mental health authorities,or anyone in a position to be of help,even I would have applauded him,maybe even felt some pity.But he did'nt,because he did not want help-he wanted helpless small terrified victims screaming in agony for his delight.

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no slippery slope here he conspired to abuse and murder and eat a child. he had prepared a torture slash butchery room with all needed implements save the child nope i say hang him at edge of town with sign saying here hangs cannibal king. if he wasnt stopped he would have done his atrocity ay least once and no telling how many more times if not caught.

it is about time the u.s goverment was using some of that hollow point bullets it bought .

as he is a brit by birth can they send him back to blighty .

on second thoughts keep him and get bubba to look after him

reply to post by AlliumIslelily


Just more of the typical bleeding heartism that has infected the commonsense of America.

Yeah ok. People like you want to keep scum like this around so you can supposedly study them until your bloated ego reaches the point where you're eventually even arguing for their release cause you claim that you cracked the deviants code.

Hey, This just in! Some people are just born evil, and the sooner their bloodline are erased from the human gene pool the better. It's called natural law. The innocent will be defended and that should always take priority over your feel good, save the World, dissect the sicko nonsense.

I would go so far as to say that folks who think like you have cost the lives of thousands upon thousands of even more children because you're more interested in the twisted mind than you are the life that was taken.

It's nothing personal towards you, you're just wrong. You pacifists just don't get it, and you people never will. Bet you don't have children of your own either. ~$heopleNation

reply to post by SheopleNation

Well said.And yes there Will be those who will petition, even if a few years down the line when the matter has been forgotten by most,for the release of things like this paedo-cannibal.

And they will propably succeed too,seeing how common sense And wisdom has apparently fled from this world.

Yes,some people(i use the term loosely) were just born evil.The mental illness badge gets slapped on wayyy to fast-bear in mind that these days the term terrorist are also gravely "misunderstood' by your current administration-and more and more completely normal emotions are being labelled as mental illness.

There is no cure for demonic evil.There is extermination,though.If that makes me a member of the "pitchfork+flaming torch brigade" so be it,i really don't give a toss.But i guarantee one thing- if i was the one who discovered this thing's lair-he would not be stealing oxygen+the taxpayers' money right now.

DaMod
He got those images from somewhere.. That means there there are still pedophile cannibals out there..

The imagery includes fictional content and photos suspected to be 'found' imagery such as from forums and chat sharing etc ... Investigators won't confirm it I guess until they're sure, but there are some likely connected arrests if you look around and this was part of Operation Holitna according to my googles.

I can't even fathom this type of thing

reply to post by DaMod


This monster should be sentenced to death by hanging and left for the world to see.

SheopleNation
reply to post by AlliumIslelily

 

Just more of the typical bleeding heartism that has infected the commonsense of America.

Yeah ok. People like you want to keep scum like this around so you can supposedly study them until your bloated ego reaches the point where you're eventually even arguing for their release cause you claim that you cracked the deviants code.

Hey, This just in! Some people are just born evil, and the sooner their bloodline are erased from the human gene pool the better. It's called natural law. The innocent will be defended and that should always take priority over your feel good, save the World, dissect the sicko nonsense.

I would go so far as to say that folks who think like you have cost the lives of thousands upon thousands of even more children because you're more interested in the twisted mind than you are the life that was taken.

It's nothing personal towards you, you're just wrong. You pacifists just don't get it, and you people never will. Bet you don't have children of your own either. ~$heopleNation

1.) I don't want to keep them around to "supposedly" study them. I want to keep them around to ACTUALLY study them.

2.) How does the desire to understand something give me a bloated ego?

3.) I never said he should eventually be released. Please don't put words in my mouth and then use them against me.

4.) I don't understand how "feel good and save the World" is "sicko nonsense".

5.) Prove to me that people are "born evil". Have you some scientific evidence to definitively end the nature vs. nurture debate? (Your argument implies nature is the only factor..)

6.) How do "folks like me" cause more children to die? I would argue the opposite, that the blatant hate mongering and blind rage of the public has forced many of these monsters deep into hiding, making them harder to find and therefore getting more children killed.

7.) Ending their bloodline?! Is that not a bit extreme? You are also making a lot of assumptions to think this is even an effective method. You would have to assume that it is a genetic trait passed down through DNA. There is simply no evidence of that, as far as I know anyway.

This isn't personal for me either, I just don't feel your argument is as air tight as you think it is. Not saying mine is perfect either though.

geobro
it is about time the u.s goverment was using some of that hollow point bullets it bought

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as he is a brit by birth can they send him back to blighty

.

on second thoughts keep him and get bubba to look after him

Actually he is spanish by birth but british by nationality.

I dont agree he should just be executed. Its too easy a way out.
But life in prison really is what is required for someone like him, 27 yrs is not enough.

reply to post by AlliumIslelily


I actually think you provide quite an intelligent and reasonable response.
Its not guided by emotion, its balanced, its fair and seeks true justice.

Whats wrong with that?

SheopleNation
reply to post by AlliumIslelily

 

Just more of the typical bleeding heartism that has infected the commonsense of America.

Yeah ok. People like you want to keep scum like this around so you can supposedly study them until your bloated ego reaches the point where you're eventually even arguing for their release cause you claim that you cracked the deviants code.

Hey, This just in! Some people are just born evil, and the sooner their bloodline are erased from the human gene pool the better. It's called natural law. The innocent will be defended and that should always take priority over your feel good, save the World, dissect the sicko nonsense.

I would go so far as to say that folks who think like you have cost the lives of thousands upon thousands of even more children because you're more interested in the twisted mind than you are the life that was taken.

It's nothing personal towards you, you're just wrong. You pacifists just don't get it, and you people never will. Bet you don't have children of your own either. ~$heopleNation

No people are not born evil.
They become that way poisoned by the sick society we live in.

Those that are easily driven by emotion, with no logic to balance the craziness of an emotional response are the ones that have issues also. Everyone calling for execution based on an emotional response seem to forget that our justice systems are so corrupted that thousands of innocent people are already inside prison and many have been murdered by the state based on fabricated evidences and conspiracies by police that will punish someone, anyone, as long as it looks like they are doing their job.

The crazy pitchfork brigade, unless they let the logic ever kick in, are happy to let innocent people be murdered because of monsters like this guy.

So while you talk about defending the innocent, spare a thought for the thousands of innocent people behind bars for crimes they NEVER committed.
Some people should never be freed, like this monster, but that doesnt mean we should actively murder them either, because then we become them monsters ourselves. If you cannot see that, try harder.


And I have 3 children.

Just because he is dangerous does not mean he has to be in prison. Not prisons, but psychiatric facilities are for these people, where they can be locked up not as a punishment, but merely to protect the society. If it can be proven that he really intended to abuse a child, then that may warrant quite a bit of prison time, but certainly not life or such. Because no child was actually harmed.

Maslo
Just because he is dangerous does not mean he has to be in prison. Not prisons, but psychiatric facilities are for these people, where they can be locked up not as a punishment, but merely to protect the society. If it can be proven that he really intended to abuse a child, then that may warrant quite a bit of prison time, but certainly not life or such. Because no child was actually harmed.

So maybe the same courtesy should be afforded to the shoe bomber. Or the underpant bomber.

IF this man is actually the monster that he is CLAIMED to be,
then good riddance, can i be the one to get rid of him?

BUT,

then again, ATS, WHAT is the source of the claims that THIS man did any of the things he is accused of?

Oh, there it is...
In the OP...

fox13now.com...

Wow, just, Wow..
Hook, line and sinker.

Have at it, ATS...