Greendays new song American idiot

They shouldn't be fined. I think the song is idiotic and very superficial.

I think it's a decent song, nothing more or less. All part of the Game. To me the strangest thing, reading through this post, is when people insisit that freedom of speech should be protected against these media controlled government types...as it;s what the founding fathers wanted protecting. If there is a new world order, grand plan etc, then the founding fathers, if anybody, are prime fodder for this. The perpetual view of the founding fathers being wise old sages, so good natured and wonderful is one of amazing naivety. Isn't it?

I like that song, it's much better than the one they released after that one.

Hey Tesla, no-one's ever thought I was you have they?

I get accused of a lot of stuff I haven't done on other boards, there's a lot of posts at Sacred Cow Forum that claim to be me but aren't, ect.......

( I just noticed your name and avatar when I clicked-on this thread )

old post of mine from before 9-11 -

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its a terrible song, who cares ?

Its quite easy to pick out the ones that it effected.

Mission Accomplished. Holidy is the best single off the album. Its a concept album. A concept many people just dont get.

Good album.

Originally posted by Kollapse
That song pretty much sums it up.

Yup, I agree.

I like the song. The most of the album sucked though.

[edit on 27/8/2005 by SwearBear]

Although i get the point of what they were trying to say, some of it sounded like hate speech to me. Anyway i stopped listening greenday long ago. I dont like bands that make political statements BTW. Greenday sucks!

You folks want to talk about trash, please, feel free to do so. One more circumvention of the censor with misspellings or astericks will cause this thread to be locked and post bans to be given out like candy.

FYI, half of america feels that way. and besides, he's not directly insulting any one person, just stating his opinion and exercising his freedom of speech. im sorry if you were offended by it, but if you dont like it, dont listen to it!

[edit on 27/8/2005 by Kitsunegari]

Get this, my 44 year old Christian wife took my teenage daughter and her friend to a Green Day concert just last week. She's been listening to American Idiot (the cd) ever since. Of course, she liked Alice Cooper.
I for one don't like profanity in music, but I'm 43 and very conservative, in my own way. I also don't like negativity in my music, but again, this is a personal preference. I think it's in poor taste to label what some people like as trash, or to say that a band has "sold out" because they're making money now. Some of their earlier stuff that I've heard is simply crassness for crassness' sake. I won't even go into the lyrics of "Like a Rat on Cheese". But I find "American Idiot" to be far less offensive, and at least it's *about* something. Sometimes it's not a matter of selling out, but of growing up, even if just a little bit. I'd much rather my daughter be listening to this than some of the rap music I've heard, which basically is just porn without the visuals and the bad seventies soundtrack. I'm keeping an eye on their lyrics though, and she knows how I feel about the profanity.

I can think of worse songs to hear than this.

Most rap songs contain worse lyrics than this one.

definitely, thinking about the rap songs makes me wonder why we are talking about Green Day

American Idiot are we talking about the song or the CD? The song itself, the worst of the 4 I've heard but I understand what's behind it. Boulevard of Broken Dreams is "song of the year" imo. Holiday is cool and their latest single is damn near as good. I've got to pick this one up. Best since Dookie, again imo.

I like the political angle to this CD. Then again, I was alive through the 60's.

BTW, if you think this is political check out these lyrics, Eve of Destruction:

here

Scroll down.



[edit on 27-8-2005 by intrepid]

if you hear billie joe at one of his concerts during the intro to 'holiday' he says 'this is not anti-american, it's anti war', which pretty much sums up most of the album. if anything green day don't like george bush and this is their way of expressing it. the only difference between you hating bush a green day hating bush is that green day have a lot of influence and get their message out to a lot of people.

rap music seems to be about how many derogatory words they can come up with for women. throw some other stuff, some people wearing baggy pants, some bling bling and you've got yourself a nice little rap culture going.

but back to green day... people's interpretation of green day when they say they've sold out, or they're not punk rock, is exactly that 'their interpretation'. sure green day's music might be cleaner, more mainstream that most punk rock, but their attitude has always said 'punk rock'.

what's probably the most shocking thing green day have done, is that they are now appearing in 12 year old girl's magazines, with eye liner on... if i had worn black eye liner to school, people would have laughed at me

It's a hell of a good song... What's wrong with being aginst somebody... What happened to the American democracy, speech of freedom...?

No they shouldn't, why should they? They haven't called anyone an "American idiot".

"Don't want to be an American idiot".

What would life be like if someone didn't throw somemore wood into the fire nownagain? When that (damn good) song came out debates were already raging, they just added to the political fires.

If this song was fined...punk would be fined, it's a punk song one of many, get over it and stop complaining because you don't get it. It's punk ideals and...in this case...quite watered down punk ideals, if anything, Green Day were playing it safe. The real political stuff doesn't come in on that song, you have ot look deeper through the album and most of all at the song Holiday.

Originally posted by Dulcimer
Its quite easy to pick out the ones that it effected.

Mission Accomplished. Holidy is the best single off the album. Its a concept album. A concept many people just dont get.

Good album.

Agreed,

And, more so, it's a damn good album...

It rose my love of Green Day to dizzying heights.


[edit on 29-8-2005 by shorty]

[edit on 29-8-2005 by shorty]

Originally posted by Transmission Deployment
Should they be fined for this? even though its freedom of speech

Absloutly not! You may disagree with them (I do, too), but the law needs to stay away from our opinions. The first ammendment states that they can say exactly that. If the government starts to fine people for being against America, or, in this case, against the actions America is currently taking, we lose all freedom of speach. Censor one thing and you open a door that should have remained locked.

You, on the other hand, can fine Green Day. You can, as you have done here, make it well known what the lyrics of this song are and people may stop buying Green Day stuff. That has two sides, though, because people who agree with their sentaments may go out and get some Green Day even if they don't like their style of music.

Originally posted by invader_chris
I like the song, though it defeated its purpose by being on the mind of every brainwashed teenager who don't understand it but like it because it says America." I am not lying here, I asked one of my friends if he understood that it was bashing at the brianwashed masses, of which he is part of, and he says that he doesn't, but "likes the part where they say america."

[edit on 27-8-2005 by Thomas Crowne]

LOL Exactly! Remember the throngs of idiots at Bruce Springsteen Concerts, shouting "Boooorn...in the USA, I was Booooorn...in the USA..." Well, concider ALL the words to that song:

Born In The U.S.A. Lyrics
by Bruce Springsteen


Born down in a dead man's town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
You end up like a dog that's been beat too much
'Til you spend half your life just covering up

[chorus:]
Born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.

I got in a little hometown jam
And so they put a rifle in my hands
Sent me off to Vietnam
To go and kill the yellow man

[chorus]

Come back home to the refinery
Hiring man says "Son if it was up to me"
I go down to see the V.A. man
He said "Son don't you understand"

[chorus]

I had a buddy at Khe Sahn
Fighting off the Viet Cong
They're still there, he's all gone
He had a little girl in Saigon
I got a picture of him in her arms

Down in the shadow of the penitentiary
Out by the gas fires of the refinery
I'm ten years down the road
Nowhere to run, ain't got nowhere to go

I'm a long gone Daddy in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
I'm a cool rocking Daddy in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.


It's really a sad song about some poor saps life of hard knocks. I just shake my head at "Booooorn...in the USA.." as the only line anybody remembers.



[edit on 29-8-2005 by Toelint]

Toe, the absloute best was when Reagan used that song as an example of what patriotic songs sould be like. It was fargin' hilarious!

On the Boss's box set, he does a great version of Born In The USA that's a lot more somber and inline with the mood of the song. Very cool tune

Originally posted by junglejake

Originally posted by Transmission Deployment
Should they be fined for this? even though its freedom of speech

Absloutly not! You may disagree with them (I do, too), but the law needs to stay away from our opinions. The first ammendment states that they can say exactly that. If the government starts to fine people for being against America, or, in this case, against the actions America is currently taking, we lose all freedom of speach. Censor one thing and you open a door that should have remained locked.

You, on the other hand, can fine Green Day. You can, as you have done here, make it well known what the lyrics of this song are and people may stop buying Green Day stuff. That has two sides, though, because people who agree with their sentaments may go out and get some Green Day even if they don't like their style of music.

Other than the profanity, which I've already stated I don't like it in music,
what's to disagree with?