Undeniable logic proving that god created the universe.

HI all.

It is impossible to create anything in this world/dimension without life itself being ther creator.

'God' in this is basically unknown but there all the same.

I can explain in more detail if anyone wishes.

Duh.

reply to post by Agent008


it sounds so simple but this has seismic consequences for the scientists among us

please do
explain in more detail..

reply to post by Cedik


Explain how it's undeniable? Why does it have to be that a deity created life? you've not proven anything unfortunately.

That's why I dislike such titles, because there's almost never any actual proof.

Edit: Yes I understand you don't claim it's a deity, but you're saying we have a living creator

Cedik
reply to post by Agent008

 

it sounds so simple but this has seismic consequences for the scientists among us

Not really, the theory of how life began is pretty convincing and it doesn't involve life creating life..

reply to post by skcussta


which part?

Are you being serious? That is your op? Far too short and vague for an op. Come on, this is ATS. You need to do much better than that!!

I was just reading a thread earlier about people creating threads with little or no information in them. This is obviously one of them.

This is exactly the reason some members are complaining about ATS these days. OP's with no substance. Just a couple of sentences? Is that the best you can do?

This should be closed.

reply to post by miniatus


it is undeniable because it is a fact... how else can life be created other than with life itself. Please explain to me how one would create any living organism from dead matter?

reply to post by Cedik

There are about 4 threads about this topic running right now. This post would fit right in since it explains absolutely nothing but claims to have all the answers.

Cedik
reply to post by skcussta

 

which part?

Probably ALL of it ...

You claim life can only be created by a living ..

You're making an assertion you can't possibly prove I'm afraid.. your logic is horribly flawed.

The general theory of how life began is far more plausible .. the "cosmic soup" theory of organics coming together and us being basically the product of a chemical reaction.. this is already proven to be possible.. You saying life can only be created by a living thing is something you can't at all prove.. which ruins your point that it's undeniable proof sorry

Cedik
reply to post by miniatus

 

it is undeniable because it is a fact... how else can life be created other than with life itself. Please explain to me how one would create any living organism from dead matter?

Look here, Im a Christian, but with all due respect....you started the thread, you do the explaining!!!!

Tell us, why does life need to be created with life? Im not arguing, I just think you need to explain yourself as it is your thread, before asking others to explain themselves.

This is the worse OP I have ever seen on ATS.

How about actually explaining your theory or thought process instead of making outlandish claims of "undeniable Logic" without any kind of information....

we are discussing God/Creator here so i don't expect proof but some kind of insight of what you are actually referring to would be helpful..

I don't mean to be rude but your post has the word Logic in the title and yet you divulged nothing.... that in itself is about as Logical as a Flying Bunny

My question to the people who seem to not want to discuss this is.

Can you disprove what I have postulated? Can you think of one thing that is not created in this way? If so I will apologise for my stupidity and ask to have the thread deleted.

Cedik
reply to post by miniatus

 

it is undeniable because it is a fact... how else can life be created other than with life itself. Please explain to me how one would create any living organism from dead matter?

I'm not going to do your research for you.. essentially we're the result of a chemical reaction .. Google "Cosmic Soup" .. there's even a nice PBS special that explains it pretty well..

Recently scientists have begun testing meteors for organic material by replicating hot springs..which is what the early earth was like.. meteors tend to contain the basic ingredients for life.. when scientists did this they found far more organic material than with conventional testing.

Cedik
My question to the people who seem to not want to discuss this is.

Can you disprove what I have postulated? Can you think of one thing that is not created in this way? If so I will apologise for my stupidity and ask to have the thread deleted.

I have a better question for you .. can you prove what you're saying?

Essentially you're stating something as fact and you're asking everyone to prove that you're wrong.. that's kind of silly... besides your theory ( which you state is a fact, fact's can be proven.. ) has it's own paradox because you would have to explain who created the creator..

Prove to us that life can only be created by a living entity.. the burden of proof is on you for making such a claim.

Cedik
My question to the people who seem to not want to discuss this is.

Can you disprove what I have postulated? Can you think of one thing that is not created in this way? If so I will apologise for my stupidity and ask to have the thread deleted.

It is not for us to disprove anything but for you to prove it

however this being about God/Life proof is impossible therefore disproving it is also impossible....

reply to post by Ph03n1x


What information do you need? The evidence surrounds us all. It is a simple notion.

Life begets life, therefore the universe and all things within it were created. Not a random porridge of gunk that suddenly gets a pulse.

miniatus

Cedik
reply to post by skcussta

 

which part?

Probably ALL of it ...

You claim life can only be created by a living ..

You're making an assertion you can't possibly prove I'm afraid.. your logic is horribly flawed.

The general theory of how life began is far more plausible .. the "cosmic soup" theory of organics coming together and us being basically the product of a chemical reaction.. this is already proven to be possible.. You saying life can only be created by a living thing is something you can't at all prove.. which ruins your point that it's undeniable proof

sorry

I have to say the 'cosmic soup' idea is pretty un-plausible. DNA itself is far too complicated for that. You say this has been proven to be possible? By who? I have never heard of anyone creating intelligent organisms from chemical reactions. .You show some proof too?

Cedik
HI all.

It is impossible to create anything in this world/dimension without life itself being ther creator.

'God' in this is basically unknown but there all the same.

I can explain in more detail if anyone wishes.

This is a priori statement that is inconclusive as we have no proof that life cannot be created without life creating it, but that does not disprove or prove God. God could have just as well made life spontaneous generate under certain circumstances or life could generate spontaneously without God, again neither statement proves God, but only that life could spontaneously generate.