What will Assad do if he is backed into a corner....

reply to post by Kashai

Assad's by using Chemical weapons has made it clear that, if baked into a corner. He could potentially use his chemical weapons arsenal to wipe out his enemies.

Who are we kidding? If backed into a corner, with no way out, Assad would destroy his own country and himself along with it. Assad won't go down without dying and taking a large chunk of his population with him. He would never allow himself to go into exile.

wrabbit2000
reply to post by Kashai

 

Where would you get the idea that every nation has access to chemical weapons? Technically speaking, I have access to one of the most deadly chemical weapons ever discovered by man. Chlorine Gas. It's sitting in my kitchen cabinet. It's simply in precursor form, in two different cleaning agents, labeled very differently. Mix them together and take a whiff to get the smell of what results? You'll be dying before you hit the floor and realize the fatal mistake. (ONCE in awhile..you hear about a traffic accident with a soccer mom carrying those chemicals in grocery bags that rupture and mix.....to make a truly tragic ending)

In THAT sense? yeah. every nation has access to chemical weapons. In the actual sense of WEAPONS? Warheads? Well, it's like people saying North Korea has an ICBM. Okay, and I have a Unicorn farm....because I said I do.

If you look on YouTube, History Channel and others have long shows up there which cover, in documentary form, the actual use of chemical agents as well as their development cycles in World War I and other periods. The real thing. Not the Media fantasy version. It takes a lot of time, research, TESTING and development to get a warhead right and delivery of chemicals accomplished.

To have watched some of that? It's a lot more difficult than I would have imagined, to be honest.

Unfortunately....in Syria? Some of those defectors who make up the FSA were also among Assad's Chemical corps and/or the troops guarding/handling it all. All levels defected to some degree in the early days. So, Government chemical experts and Rebel chemical experts are to be found easily enough, and definitely under both flags in this fight.

What I am saying is that if in fact the rebels used chemical weapons then logic would dictate that Assad would never surrender his. After all he would need them to defend his troops since the rebels also had
these weapons. In actuality though his response is more like a child who just got caught with his hands in the proverbial cookie jar.

Any thoughts?

Deetermined
reply to post by Kashai

 

Assad's by using Chemical weapons has made it clear that, if baked into a corner. He could potentially use his chemical weapons arsenal to wipe out his enemies.

Who are we kidding? If backed into a corner, with no way out, Assad would destroy his own country and himself along with it. Assad won't go down without dying and taking a large chunk of his population with him. He would never allow himself to go into exile.

Assad by his rather sophomoric response has not only admitted to having chemical weapons. But as well admitted to having used them on 8/21/13. To be clear his actions could very well be the result of some, very cold and calculating psychosis. Assad did not have to admit he had any chemical weapons,
had he decided to inform all concerned that "he was prepared to deal with this assault by terrorist,"
would have sufficed.

Assad realizes that as the person who authorized the use of Chemical weapons, he could very well be targeted in the US planed attack.

To be honest Assad is a coward.......

Any thoughts?

Kashai

Deetermined
reply to post by Kashai

 

Assad's by using Chemical weapons has made it clear that, if baked into a corner. He could potentially use his chemical weapons arsenal to wipe out his enemies.

Who are we kidding? If backed into a corner, with no way out, Assad would destroy his own country and himself along with it. Assad won't go down without dying and taking a large chunk of his population with him. He would never allow himself to go into exile.

Assad by his rather sophomoric response has not only admitted to having chemical weapons. But as well admitted to having used them on 8/21/13. To be clear his actions could very well be the result of some, very cold and calculating psychosis. Assad did not have to admit he had any chemical weapons,
had he decided to inform all concerned that "he was prepared to deal with this assault by terrorist,"
would have sufficed.

Assad realizes that as the person who authorized the use of Chemical weapons, he could very well be targeted in the US planed attack.

To be honest Assad is a coward.......

Any thoughts?

edit on 12-9-2013 by Kashai because: Added and mdifed content

What is your purpose in calling Assad sophomoric or a coward? There is no evidence to suggest this. If Assad is backed into a corner he has no choice but to fight. The United States wants to murder him and will take every opportunity to do so, even if he surrenders himself. The reason he admitted to chemical weapons is because he knows that it took 4 years in a post war environment for the UN to rid a fully compliant Iraq of all its chemical weapons. Syria is an active war zone. It will take much longer than this. Assad has bought himself at least 4 more years to wipe out the rebels. How is his thinking sophomoric or cowardly?

Adaluncatif

Kashai

Deetermined
reply to post by Kashai

 

Assad's by using Chemical weapons has made it clear that, if baked into a corner. He could potentially use his chemical weapons arsenal to wipe out his enemies.

Who are we kidding? If backed into a corner, with no way out, Assad would destroy his own country and himself along with it. Assad won't go down without dying and taking a large chunk of his population with him. He would never allow himself to go into exile.

Assad by his rather sophomoric response has not only admitted to having chemical weapons. But as well admitted to having used them on 8/21/13. To be clear his actions could very well be the result of some, very cold and calculating psychosis. Assad did not have to admit he had any chemical weapons,
had he decided to inform all concerned that "he was prepared to deal with this assault by terrorist,"
would have sufficed.

Assad realizes that as the person who authorized the use of Chemical weapons, he could very well be targeted in the US planed attack.

To be honest Assad is a coward.......

Any thoughts?

edit on 12-9-2013 by Kashai because: Added and mdifed content

What is your purpose in calling Assad sophomoric or a coward? There is no evidence to suggest this. If Assad is backed into a corner he has no choice but to fight. The United States wants to murder him and will take every opportunity to do so, even if he surrenders himself. The reason he admitted to chemical weapons is because he knows that it took 4 years in a post war environment for the UN to rid a fully compliant Iraq of all its chemical weapons. Syria is an active war zone. It will take much longer than this. Assad has bought himself at least 4 more years to wipe out the rebels. How is his thinking sophomoric or cowardly?

Assad is not thinking 4 years he is thinking now. Airstrike could have been enough for complete collapse of what is left of his regime. He is doing whatever he can to make it day to day. The problem for him is he has nothing in his hand. With the backing of only a small part of the Syrian population he can not replace the mass desertions his military has suffered and continues to suffer. Any cash he has he is handing over to the Russians to keep his forces supplied. And right now the only thing keeping him from complete defete is Iranian, Hezbolla and Lebanese forces. If any of them decided its time to leave its over. With the rebels starting to get real aid and training now you have to wonder how long a group like Hezbolla can stay in the fight. And Assad has a choice at the start of things, compromise with the protesters of shoot them. He went with shoot them but, suprise supride the Army did not like that idea and started an armed revolt.

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Despite the hype Assad is loosing.....

Why else would he have used chemical weapons? As it stands today the UN Secretary General has confirmed Assad is guilty of War crimes. Prior to this whole mess starting, Assad could have been like any other leader that had been deposed. I was only then that the US, UN, NATO and select members of OPEC did want to kill him, or imprison him for life.

If Assad ever uses those Chemical weapons again the United States will attack him. If Assad fails to comply with the time table for turning over those weapons the United States will attack him.

As far as Assad being sophomoric I have already made that clear.....

But to elaborate his use of chemical weapons was a big mistake. The numbers do not lie, simply by attrition, he has no way to win this war conventionally. He thinks that brining in the world will aid
his position but that really makes little sense. With the UN Secretary General responding the way
he is it is apparent Assad is guilty and so therefore must present himself before the Hague for trial.

As far as Assad being a coward...

Do you have any idea as to the number of leaders that have been deposed and returned to power?

And this is relation to recorded history beginning with the Greeks?

You see as a leader of a country of course one has enemies who would kill them on sight. Once one is deposed from power yes there is a chance that ones enemies will catch up to one. But in reality its an issue of self confidence and trust in ones people. That allows individuals like Musharraf as an example
to continue to be a political figure despite his multiple issues.

If Assad actually had 4 years to maintain power over Syria he would not have used Chemical weapons on
08/21/13. Russia and the United States have made a deal that relives Syria of chemical weapons in one year. As far as whose problem it is to resolve that? Assad is responsible for that.

And if he does not the US attacks Syria.

You see the Russian have agreed to do this they have also agreed that if this is not done the US can attack Syria.

Any thoughts?

MrSpad

Adaluncatif

Kashai

Deetermined
reply to post by Kashai

 

Assad's by using Chemical weapons has made it clear that, if baked into a corner. He could potentially use his chemical weapons arsenal to wipe out his enemies.

Who are we kidding? If backed into a corner, with no way out, Assad would destroy his own country and himself along with it. Assad won't go down without dying and taking a large chunk of his population with him. He would never allow himself to go into exile.

Assad by his rather sophomoric response has not only admitted to having chemical weapons. But as well admitted to having used them on 8/21/13. To be clear his actions could very well be the result of some, very cold and calculating psychosis. Assad did not have to admit he had any chemical weapons,
had he decided to inform all concerned that "he was prepared to deal with this assault by terrorist,"
would have sufficed.

Assad realizes that as the person who authorized the use of Chemical weapons, he could very well be targeted in the US planed attack.

To be honest Assad is a coward.......

Any thoughts?

edit on 12-9-2013 by Kashai because: Added and mdifed content

What is your purpose in calling Assad sophomoric or a coward? There is no evidence to suggest this. If Assad is backed into a corner he has no choice but to fight. The United States wants to murder him and will take every opportunity to do so, even if he surrenders himself. The reason he admitted to chemical weapons is because he knows that it took 4 years in a post war environment for the UN to rid a fully compliant Iraq of all its chemical weapons. Syria is an active war zone. It will take much longer than this. Assad has bought himself at least 4 more years to wipe out the rebels. How is his thinking sophomoric or cowardly?

Assad is not thinking 4 years he is thinking now. Airstrike could have been enough for complete collapse of what is left of his regime. He is doing whatever he can to make it day to day. The problem for him is he has nothing in his hand. With the backing of only a small part of the Syrian population he can not replace the mass desertions his military has suffered and continues to suffer. Any cash he has he is handing over to the Russians to keep his forces supplied. And right now the only thing keeping him from complete defete is Iranian, Hezbolla and Lebanese forces. If any of them decided its time to leave its over. With the rebels starting to get real aid and training now you have to wonder how long a group like Hezbolla can stay in the fight. And Assad has a choice at the start of things, compromise with the protesters of shoot them. He went with shoot them but, suprise supride the Army did not like that idea and started an armed revolt.

Dude, you are delusional. What's left of his regime? Assad is winning the war. He was supposed to be gone two years ago. Remember, it was not if but when. Well now it is not when but if. All Syrians who are not Sunnis support Assad. You act like he has no support. You have really bought into a lot of propaganda. Sure there are desertions but not mass desertions. Anybody who was going to desert has already done so a long time ago. There are no more mass desertions. You seem to be posting from State Department talking points. Assad is nowhere close to defeat. He is in the strong position. The reason the US didn't attack is because the Israelis did not completely take out his air defense or antiship capability. The rebels are not getting real aid or weapons. They are getting light arms because the US is afraid of giving manpads to Al Qaida. Assad had a chance to compromise with protestors? You act like the rebellion was spontaneous and not instigated by outside forces. Western intelligence agencies attempted to foment revolution in Iran after Ahmadinejad's legitimate reelection, but were not successful. They were successful in Libya and Egypt. They believed that the same strategy would work in Syria. It has not. You can keep dreaming these fantasies, but actions speak louder than words. Where is the US attack? When is Assad going to fall? You need to do a better job with your propaganda. No one is believing it.

Kashai
reply to post by Adaluncatif

 

Despite the hype Assad is loosing.....

Why else would he have used chemical weapons? As it stands today the UN Secretary General has confirmed Assad is guilty of War crimes. Prior to this whole mess starting, Assad could have been like any other leader that had been deposed. I was only then that the US, UN, NATO and select members of OPEC did want to kill him, or imprison him for life.

If Assad ever uses those Chemical weapons again the United States will attack him. If Assad fails to comply with the time table for turning over those weapons the United States will attack him.

As far as Assad being sophomoric I have already made that clear.....

But to elaborate his use of chemical weapons was a big mistake. The numbers do not lie, simply by attrition, he has no way to win this war conventionally. He thinks that brining in the world will aid
his position but that really makes little sense. With the UN Secretary General responding the way
he is it is apparent Assad is guilty and so therefore must present himself before the Hague for trial.

As far as Assad being a coward...

Do you have any idea as to the number of leaders that have been deposed and returned to power?

And this is relation to recorded history beginning with the Greeks?

You see as a leader of a country of course one has enemies who would kill them on sight. Once one is deposed from power yes there is a chance that ones enemies will catch up to one. But in reality its an issue of self confidence and trust in ones people. That allows individuals like Musharraf as an example
to continue to be a political figure despite his multiple issues.

If Assad actually had 4 years to maintain power over Syria he would not have used Chemical weapons on
08/21/13. Russia and the United States have made a deal that relives Syria of chemical weapons in one year. As far as whose problem it is to resolve that? Assad is responsible for that.

And if he does not the US attacks Syria.

You see the Russian have agreed to do this they have also agreed that if this is not done the US can attack Syria.

Any thoughts?

Man, some of you here need to get in touch with reality. Assad is not losing. Assad has not been confirmed of any war crimes. Stop lying. First of all the UN was tasked with determining if chemical weapons were used not who used them. One person cannot determine if somebody is a war criminal. The reason it seemed so impossible to mostly everybody that Assad actually used chemical weapons is because he was and is winning the war. It has not been determined who used chemical weapons in the latest incident. It is a fact that the rebels have used chemical weapons in the past and possess them. You have Turkey, the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar supporting the rebels and losing. It is not absurd when Putin says there is every reason to believe that the rebels used chemical weapons to bring international intervention. The fact that you cannot even entertain this idea shows how brainwashed you are. Assad can use these weapons if he wants to. Who's going to stop him? Is the US going to do something if he uses them in the future? I don't think so. The US is afraid of real war, one in which the enemy can actually fight back. Just ask Obama. Musharraf? He is currently on trial and most probably will face the death penalty. Maybe he shouldn't have ousted the democratically elected President in a military coup on US orders. You need to get your facts straight. The Russians have not agreed to allow the US to attack Syria if Assad fails to comply. The resolution will not provide for an attack. It will provide for discussion. If Assad actually fails to comply nothing will happen but more talking by Obama and Kerry. Then they will try to go to the UN to get a resolution to use force. Obama tried to use the Libya strategy on Syria. It's been two years. The US has not attacked Syria and Assad is still in power. This situation will continue for years to come unless the US becomes reckless which at that point will cause real problems for the US.

Adaluncatif

All Syrians who are not Sunnis support Assad.

% 85 of Syria actually belongs to Sunni sect of Islam .

Is ik ok for a minority Shia Syrians to control majority of Sunni Syrians ?

Evidently Sunni Syrians don't want to be governed by Shia Syrians .

Assad is not going to win over the Sunni Syrians , ever .

Sunni Syrians will win this war eventually . The question is how many more people will die .

If Syria is allowed to be governed by Shias ( Read Iran ) , Nato has a problem bigger then one might imagine .

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Actually my formal background is in Psychology I minored in International relations with respect to my Bachelors.

In relation to my Masters and PhD I minored in Religion.

If there was any evidence that the rebels were the ones who used the Chemical Weapons, Assad would have been given more time and as of today the UN has made clear those weapons, that were used belonged to Assad.

As far as being brainwashed I do not treat leaders of countries as having permission to use Chemical
Weapons against there own people (or anyone else for that matter).

As far as being delusional I am not the one suggesting that a group that constitutes 15% percent of a population can defeat 85% of it in a civil war.

So do you feel its OK for any leader to wipe out perhaps as much as 75% of its population, because they do not want him as leader????

I mean in all sincerity we can also add that Assad is Psychotic at the very least.

Clearly, if the rebels actually had chemical weapons and wanted to use them to topple Assad?

They would have gathered some Shiite volunteers and caused another incident or even several more.

Assad has been backed into a comer and he put himself their.

You may choose to believe as you see fit but potentially, the United States of America could actually launch an attack against Syria before the next election. The agreement made between Russia and
the US is essentially IMO an insult to Syria. Even if Russia did not sign on for military force Russia
is not going to war to protect 15% of a countries population.

That would be absurd.

Any thoughts?

To be honest what Assad is trying to do is equivalent to a man and his 16 year old son, taking on 8.5 grown men in conflict.

Any thoughts?