Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake - PART 2

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Glad you agree, oyasumi.

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Australia has capacity to take world's N-waste, and we should

THE Yimbys of the Northern Lands Council are nobly demonstrating leadership that should inspire not just the people they represent - the Aborigines of the Northern Territory - but all Australians.

Yimbys? Where do they live? Right now, only in the Top End, but, hopefully, as Australia wakes up to the facts of nuclear power and waste management, they will wander across the continent.

Yimbys are a welcome antidote to the selfish Nimbys who clog up most debate about infrastructure projects, as we saw locally with the confrontational protests against East-West tunnel plans last week.

Nimbys are the not-in-my-back-yarders who enjoy the convenience of major infrastructure but wish to live nowhere near it; Yimbys adopt a commonsense approach and say "yes".

In 2007, the Northern Lands Council said yes. It volunteered a 1.5 square kilometre site in the remote Muckaty Station, whose 2380 square kilometres of land had been returned to the locals a decade earlier, to be used for a vital piece of infrastructure. It is an almost immeasurably small spot on Australia's surface amid some of the most nutrient-diminished, unproductive land on our planet. Its barren nature stems from a valuable characteristic: a lack of seismic activity.

Interesting approach:

reply to post by Human0815


But "nuclear waste" is a total misnomer, it can all be re-used. Even the "nasties" can be made use of, such as in the Americium Power Source.

thefutureofthings.com...

Mostly, the waste is uranium and plutonium, both of which can be reused. Right now, it looks like the Yukka Mountain disposal site will be abandoned as the technology to reprocess all the waste comes on line.

Spent nuclear fuel
en.wikipedia.org...

Hey Fuku Fans, dropped by to ask an open question of you all. I know someone who knows someone that was stationed in Japan one month after the disaster. This person is concerned about the levels of radiation they absorbed and what resources if any are available to help determine the dose received. They were active monitoring detail on and off base, thinks they may have been exposed to more than most and would like to find out more about physical condition and what advocates rights groups may exist.

Any links you guys have about US involvement overseas or contacts, please U2U me...

regards,

intrptr

reply to post by Human0815


Just so people know how Human is presenting disinformation...

Imo. the Rods don't look that bad in the Videos and the already removed
Rods looks very normal...

Then appears a picture of said "normal looking" rod bundle...



It should be understood that only "unexposed" fuel rods can be this closely approached by people. If this had been an "exposed" (spent) fuel rod bundle the people in this photo would receive a lethal dose of radiation in milliseconds. This new fuel rod bundle was waiting in the pool to be installed when the earthquake hit. All the rest of it has already been exposed in the reactor well (spent), is still in the pool and cannot be taken out until they rebuild the apparatus and decide on a repository.

That is the conundrum, not the "un-spent" fuel in the photo. They are removing the unspent fuel rod bundles first because they can be removed and used in other reactors. The other exposed (spent) fuel still in the pool is far from "normal looking". How to get that out and what to do with it is the problem. Thats why it is still there in number 4 pool even though there is further threat of earthquakes and or pool collapse. Some of that fuel is melted already and other bundles are clogged with debris in their racks.

Verrry dangerous in fact.

reply to post by Human0815

Australia has capacity to take world's N-waste, and we should

Who's we? Any country stupid enough to take on waste from Japans debacle is inviting disaster, eventually.

That stuff is so hot and so long lived, any decision to bury it in "our backyard" is beyond dumb, its downright greedy. I wonder how much Japan is paying to pass the buck?

I have observed the choosing of nuclear waste repository sites my whole life. Nowhere is "safe". Moving it isn't safe. Seismic and hydrology safety factors aren't "forever" in a region. Radioactive waste is forever. It is forever "unsafe".

But the current paradigm won't be there to care one way or another will they?

reply to post by GaryN

But "nuclear waste" is a total misnomer, it can all be re-used. Even the "nasties" can be made use of, such as in the Americium Power Source.

Not all waste is "reusable". That portion which is reclaimable is subjected to further refining in processes which involve acids and furnaces. All these processes produce more waste materials from the "re"-refining process in the form of vapors, fumes, filters and tools (factories even).

The "reuse" idea is more complex than at first appears. All of the new waste just adds more to the overall path radioactive materials travel in their respective "half life".

Wherever this stuff eventually winds up it is still as radioactive as the day they "wasted" it. Adding all the detritus from further processing only adds to the waste pile.

intrptr
Hey Fuku Fans, dropped by to ask an open question of you all. I know someone who knows someone that was stationed in Japan one month after the disaster. This person is concerned about the levels of radiation they absorbed and what resources if any are available to help determine the dose received. They were active monitoring detail on and off base, thinks they may have been exposed to more than most and would like to find out more about physical condition and what advocates rights groups may exist.

Any links you guys have about US involvement overseas or contacts, please U2U me...

regards,

intrptr

not a "fan" but ;

was this person one of the 'on the ground' fuku detail, or part of the pilot/aircraft carrier detail?

GaryN
reply to post by Human0815


But "nuclear waste" is a total misnomer, it can all be re-used.

not according to an american law , but more specifically why has it not in the past? ( if a commercial process for recycling (thus purifying) nuker waste existed then why did fuku have forty+ years of WASTE in it's pools..I mean tepco was all about profits...and people steal copper out of abandoned homes tfor profit then why noteasily and profitably recycle WASTE?)

Mostly, the waste is uranium and plutonium,

Incorrect...the rods get "dirty" ( hence removed from cores ) because they are 'decomposing' into things most distinctly NOT uranium. Plutonium is NOT a normally high percentage component unless one considers MOX ( and even then it is a low percentage element) , though the reasons it is even there in any percentage are very interesting indeed

]
both of which can be reused. Right now, it looks like the Yukka Mountain disposal site will be abandoned as the technology to reprocess all the waste comes on line.

Spent nuclear fuel
en.wikipedia.org...

Yucca mountains multi-billion dollar facility is not being used because the Nevada governor refused to let the endless streams of poorly regulated and hence dangerous trucks of radioactive waste travel his highways because only one accident ( out of hundreds of trucks ) could make Nevada even more radioactive then the atomic testing already has ( go watch 'ben hur' sometime and then look at what happened to the actors in it )

Atoms Old and New

A one hour documentary about the life and achievements of Nobel Prize winning physicist Ernest Lawrence. Produced by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.







science.docuwat.ch...


for the new and old. To the Science of the Atom.

THE ATOM (part 1)

reply to post by Silverlok

was this person one of the 'on the ground' fuku detail, or part of the pilot/aircraft carrier detail?

American base in Japan.

reply to post by intrptr


This Rods was inside while the big Earthquake and the Tsunami,
you Disinformer!

According to the Fraggles like you this Rods must be molten
burned or at least Handicapped but they are not and this is
a valid Proove that your Information ((burned Fuel)) is deadly wrong

reply to post by intrptr


I hope you realize that Australia is the biggest Producer of Uranium Ore
and Yellow Cake?

But maybe you are one of this People who are comfortably blind for the
"Polluter pays principle"!

Ignorant!

By the Way this s just one Article,
i think the approach to the topic (of nuclear Depots)
is interesting, my own personal opinion is not involved or mentioned!.

Human0815
reply to post by intrptr

This Rods was inside while the big Earthquake and the Tsunami,
you Disinformer!

Correct, inside the fuel pool, not #4 reactor well.

According to the Fraggles like you this Rods must be molten
burned or at least Handicapped but they are not and this is
a valid Proove that your Information ((burned Fuel)) is deadly wrong

One Tepco photo of a fuel rod assembly is not "proof".

Here's a little reminder. See the destroyed racks in the foreground? The debris covering the top ? The bubbles?

"Handicapped fuel", lol.

reply to post by intrptr


No, i don't see any "destroyed Racks"!

And how you can tell me that Tepco Photos are "not a real proof"
and just one Paragraph later use it by your self

You are funny

Human0815
reply to post by intrptr

I hope you realize that Australia is the biggest Producer of Uranium Ore
and Yellow Cake?

Not sure what that has to do with storing nuclear waste from Japan. Maybe its closer to Japan so they don't have to ship it as far. What if a boat should sink? Or train derail? Or previously inactive seismic region become active in a hundred years?

These are concerns for all repositories in the future. A good indicator is that all the fuel that was ever used in the reactors was still being stored in the fuel pools because they had no better place to store it. Still, after all this time. It was the "safest" place?

Where is the safest place now? In your backyard or somebody else's?

World Uranium Deposits

reply to post by intrptr


You should read the Article before you articulate your Critique!

Or are you unable to read it?

reply to post by Human0815

No, i don't see any "destroyed Racks"!

Thats because they are gone to the bottom. Look closer.

Just for you...


See the void in the storage area? The twisted remains of the hangers? The right side of this capture shows charring on the remaining support structure. There were racks filled with fuel there. That fuel melted down to the bottom of the pool and caused the hydrogen build up which blew the top off the building.

This is Tepco footage from way back. There is a mess in the fuel pool and a mess of melted fuel at the bottom of the pool as well. Debris chokes the rest of the racks and the whole thing is in danger of collapse or running dry.

If it was so easy they would have removed all the fuel by now, you rethink?

source of screen capture

reply to post by intrptr


No!



But don't mind, you can go on with your opinion,
when it makes you happy and positive than i am the
last one who want to destroy your good feelings