Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake - PART 2

a reply to: stabstab

Coast to Coast am and environmental activists of the Pacific Northwest. Sasquatch.

originally posted by: stabstab
a reply to: Silverlok

If that is a polite way of saying I am a moron and don't know what the effects would be if it all hit the planets core than yes you are both right and caring. I still see a lack of creative solutions.

A carbon lining would suffice.

hmm, feisty one you ; R.o. is a good idea ( and a genius one if one has no commercial experience with it ) for filtering media of this basic nature ( and a good idea on the surface) , unfortunately reverse osmotic process is one in which the membrane material life span ( effective filtering capacity) is in direct relation to the materials ( normally cellulose fiber from either natural ( paper pulp) or artificial sources (synthetic fats) ) abrasion resistive strength. Meaning it breaks down super fast in hot water or with heavy particles...at fuku we have both meaning this could very well be a viable plan , but would require small filters with fast turn over times and ...most importantly ...a plan to store them ( one does not "dispose" of nuclear waste on anything short of geological time spans )

If 'waste' ( corium ) drilled to the core it would be a good thing, as it would then be over the nextbilion years or so reconcentrated and immersed in the exact kind of natural deposition ways all elements are concentrated and or disseminated, meaning it would again become part of the natural organic , geological time scale of interaction based on concentration density as opposed to unnatural rapid environmental dissemination.

SO ...the r.o. thing is a good idea , but it will cost huge, as the filters will need to be changed once or twice a day at fuku , and ...no one has a plan for where to put the thirty + years of "relatively stable" waste rods already amassing tens of thousands of tons.. so where to put emergency high toxicity R.O. filters would have to be '...in lead lined hole in the ground...' , and again the cost would be in the billions,

I am not an overly polite man , most of the old timers here can confirm that, but I am , at times , a very concise thinker, and as such it takes a while to determine the difference between the logically obvious, and the currently available information on any given subject; say, solve any problem in an a to b route, most of us believe in this as the best , but commercialization and political corruption have added a layer of almost impenetrable obfuscation to almost every action that might generate profit so that a to b MUST BE HIDDEN FROM THE PUBLIC AS MUCH AS IS POSSIBLE SO THAT A TO C OR D CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED ( at massive profit)

Back in 2011 I said they should commission the underground tunneling machines because this fuku-daicchii mess was not solvable otherwise , and as fourwinds said ...that would require both responsible and reasonable thinking to be applied by the people that have been lying and covering up the severity of this event at every opportunity....

politics ...

corruption...

profiteering...

any engineering solution has these sociological issues to account for too...

tl;dr I am not making fun of you, it's just the problem is multifaceted ( If Tepcrapco stepped back and said hey world genuises fix this problem ( instead of hiding it ) we would already be on the road to solution due to thinking like your s)

I am very curious as to the types of people reading AND RESoPNDING TO THIS THREAD, buT more importantly how the hell new commenters even find/found it .

, but'

perhaps once the genie leaves the bottle, more than just the local gentry start to feel the difference :

This is getting beyond real. How many indicators of fission occurring does the world need before doing something. Or if nothing can be done, at least acknowledge the depth of the problem.

From the Diary this AM;

The highest I-131 density of this year detected in 2 Fukushima sewage plants

According to Fukushima sewage public corporation, this July over 1,000 Bq/Kg of Iodine-131 was detected in dry sewage sludge. The sewage plant is located in Da-te District of Fukushima prefecture.

High level of I-131 was measured this May, however this reading of July is the highest density of this year. (cf, Significant level of I-131 detected from dry sludge of Fukushima sewage plant after rain in May [URL])

I-131 was detected from the samples collected from 7/9/2015 to 7/29/2015.

The highest reading was 1,038.4 Bq/Kg of 7/11/2015. The highest density of Cs-134 was also detected, which was 44 Bq/Kg the same day. It rained on 7/8/2015 but the precipitation was only 10.5 mm.

Also in another sewage plant in Koriyama city, 889 Bq/Kg of I-131 was detected from dry sewage sludge. This is also the highest reading of this plant. I-131 kept on being detected for 15 days of this July.

www.pref.fukushima.lg.jp...

a reply to: Ektar

( another reply to this post ) ..it's clear that the human race ( as a whole huge gelatinous mass ) is at a turning or breaking point: why are the "masses" not in control , especially in cases of such obvious corruption , greed and profiteering by so few individuals?

a hand full of people have irradiated the ocean land air and world that will last for many generations,...generations! ( significantly for over the next four hundred years!!!) , they have made sure they have no responsibility financially or sociologically ( criminals of this kind of obvious nature use to be hanged in a public audience as an example about operating , massively, outside what is good for the local and larger communities ) .

IN any community in any part of the world if hazmat has to be called severe fines are imposed ....but not at fuku, so apparently when what one is doing is several millions of times more toxic than local hazmat would , at every local level , be called for , it becomes a transcendent matter rather than a physical one , right?...the way tepcrapco/japanese government has handled things one could certainly ascertain that metaphysics about reality ( the constant lying ) are more important to the profit margin than actual reality ( the tip of the ice berg truth that is changing life as we know it ) .

Remember the Titanic couldn't sink..., unless the pilot steered into the ice berg ( which he did ) and nuclear mark one reactors could not fail , unless ..wait no human error here , just human corruption( or greed )

the fact is , those few that understand the new environment are the "early adopters" , adapt and overcome, or subside by acquiescence, or just simply lament ...I cannot fault those that do not want conflict, but conflict is now the environment you live and breathe , there is no peace as long as fuku spews radiation into the environment , which means perpetual war...

focus on the ones responsible for this state of affairs , because war has been started against you,and you and you and me, and a HUGE SECTION OF NATURE , and the situation has the resolutions of either exposing dishonesty through honesty ( and massive dissemination ) , or dishonesty destroying the world as we know it ( as if the death of the Pacific was not enough )

Excellent article by Busby

www.counterpunch.org...

And the latest from Gunderson, this about the flooding and contamination currently going on.


www.fairewinds.org...

Below are two links, the first a current story on the second one which is the actual interview with Mousseau, a wildlife expert who has been studying both Chernobyl and Fuku. Not sure if the original was ever posted. Some quotes but especially the second link is a must read;

“There is no threshold below which there are no effects of radiation,”

“With the levels of contamination that we have seen as a result of nuclear power plants, especially in the past, and even as a result of Chernobyl and Fukushima and related accidents, there’s an attempt in the industry to downplay the doses that the populations are getting, because maybe it’s only one or two times beyond what is thought to be the natural background level…. But they’re assuming the natural background levels are fine. And the truth is, if we see effects at these low levels, then we have to be thinking differently about how we develop regulations for exposures, and especially intentional exposures to populations, like the emissions from nuclear power plants.”

www.counterpunch.org...

www.washingtonsblog.com...

a reply to: zworld

Wow, it seems as though we are ALL just a huge lab experiment
& also maybe a depopulation exercise since NO ONE is doing
anything about the situation. I hope more Japanese people
wake up to the real facts & start a movement, even riots,
& not move back to the most contaminated areas. Thanks
for the good reads.

Cheers
Ektar

a reply to: Ektar

The Busby article really gets into that. They started studying cancer clusters in the US around nuke plants and when it looked like a link was being established they canceled the study. In a way it is a form of depopulation. Of course the rich don't live near a nuke plant, or chemical factory, or superfund site or any of the above. If the CEOs of these companies was forced to raise their family in those kinds of places they'd change them in a heartbeat.

There's a new world coming, but its taking a heck of a long time to get here.

You guys have probably already seen this NYtimes piece ( of #) :

"why radiation isn't the the real risk"

Criminal intent and arrogant stupidity got us into this mess, so, of course let's get back on that path by blaming the people that are trying to get the truth out .

The "article" says no one has died from daichii , but (among others since) what about those first two guys who went into reactor 3's basement way back in the beginning to 'manually turn a valve' and actually had to walk through "knee high" water which we now know for a fact was in direct contact with corium?
You remember; the guys they snuck out behind sheets so that the cameras would not film them.

I am sure it was anxiety from ideas that wild eyed hippies put in their heads that caused Tepco the to need to hide them behind the sheet.

...and more importantly, even if they died from anxiety, that anxiety would not have happened if fuku had not gone high order explosive ( thrice ), so fuku IS THE CAUSE anyway,

looks like 'author' George Johnson topics.nytimes.com... goes on the short list of absolute scum,
I would say head over there and show him some love but it appears the NYT is not posting comments on that article...

Good article from Hunziker on reactor #2. The quote below blew my mind.

www.counterpunch.org...

“High-level nuclear waste is almost unimaginably poisonous. Take for example cesium-137, with a half-life of 30 years, which makes up the largest fraction of long-lived radionuclides residing in spent nuclear fuel. One gram of radioactive cesium-137 (about half the size of a dime) contains 88 Curies of radioactivity. 104 Curies of radioactive cesium-137, spread evenly over one square mile of land, will make it uninhabitable for more than a century,” Comments on Draft of Nuclear Waste Administration Act of 2013, Physicians for Social Responsibility, May 23, 2013.

ON EDIT: and speaking of cesium, from the Diary;

fukushima-diary.com...

On 9/29/2015, Tepco announced Cesium-134/137 density of groundwater rose up to 260% of the previous highest reading beside Reactor 2.
This is the groundwater pumped up in the seaside of Reactor 2. The sample was collected on 9/28/2015.
The previous highest reading was 1,170 Bq/L, which was detected one week ago. However it went up to 2,990 Bq/L in total of Cs-134/137.

Fukushima Breaking news; NUCLEAR DUST STORM HAMMERS UTAH,, CASSANDRA'S SON DOES IT AGAIN;; - YouTube


Fukushima Breaking news; UTAH to become the Commercial NUCLEAR WASTE Capitol of the WORLD illegally - YouTube

A poster on enenews linked this : photo-journal by Arkadiusz Podnsinski
t.co...

a couple of very notable photos:

the 'waste soil clean-up' bag collection; www.podniesinski.pl...

and

www.podniesinski.pl...

and

www.podniesinski.pl...

and

www.podniesinski.pl...

the spotted Cows:

www.podniesinski.pl...

and 'just leave the cars behind' (6.7 uSv/h) reading

www.podniesinski.pl...

and

"leaving the (fuku) zone" : www.podniesinski.pl...

Again perhaps duplicitous, but another idea occurred to me ( as posted on enenews ) ;

Fur Seals… Another disturbing 'unforeseen' link in the chain of the domino effect that is Fuku on all physical, chemical, and biological systems interactions ( macro and micro):

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

"Abiotic production of methylmercury by solar radiation; Methylmercury [MeHg(I) in the aerobic surface water of lakes is thought to be rapidly degraded, but contrary to expectations, we show that MeHg(I) concentrations often increase during sunlight hours or remain relatively constant."

Meaning any increase of alpha or beta emitters in the water would have the same effect ( of increasing or maintaining levels of Methylmercury).

Take a moment to watch this video: www.youtube.com...

from the video: "(19 seconds) …mercury poisoning causes nervous system disorders, kidney damage and even death. "

if gamma emitters are loose ( as we know they are ) how much worse is the problem?

and tritium itself is a HUGE factor in changing the chemistry of it's environment through radiation…clearly Methlymercury is not the only abnormally induced chemistry/biology "by-product" of the nuclear industries gifts to the new world.
(sic somethign to think about )

a list of videos on the recent fur seal deaths: www.youtube.com... oh , if in "good times" seals bio-accumulate toxic substances ( and still maintain a viable population ) what does it say when those…(sic ) species start to die en masse

From the Diary this AM fukushima-diary.com...

About six months ago I posted about the fact that well #10, the groundwater well that is one of the furthest from the reactors, west of them on the slope, was also consistently reporting the highest levels of nuclides, and at that time I surmised that this contamination had to be coming from a source other than the reactors.

10 is acting up again, showing levels of tritium way beyond what they should be recording from a sight that is too far west to be contaminated from the reactors. This should be headline news, but of course, other than the Diary and our own PC nobody seems to care.

If you look on this map at www.tepco.co.jp... you can see where #10 is. Because the flow of groundwater under the plant flows from west to east, any contamination from the reactors would be near them or to the east of them towards the harbor.

I have no doubt that this contamination is coming from the underground nuke facility. And since everything has been spiking higher and higher when levels should be going down, suggests that the problem is greater than anyone has a clue about.

Fukushima will keep bleeding nuclear crap in ever greater amounts and the Pacific will continue to die and Japan and the US will continue to pretend that everything is getting better and not worse unless the people rise up and throw their powers to the wind.

a reply to: zworld
...or the 'storage' tanks are 'leaking' ( most likely part of the constant release program that has been since the beginning as Tepco would/should now have three times the number of storage tanks than they had in 2013 but there is no evidence that the necessary storage ( based on tepco's own numbers ) tanks exist ( implying Tepco stopped building enough tanks over two years ago , and has been instead illegally dumping ever since )) ,
and that the impromptu ground/soil reverse osmotic process is slowing the 'heavy'/large radionuclides ( creating hot fields ) but cannot stop the tritium , and as more water passes through the same 'osmotic choke points' more heavy ( radioactive ) minerals accumulate meaning ever increasing amounts of water that "escape" are being exposed to ever increasing levels of radiation...

there may indeed be an underground nuker facility , but the absolute necessity of pump and dump ( which I mentioned the inevitability of in 2011) at Tepco , by occam's razor seems to point out : wher eis all the super contaminated cooling water going if not into ever increasing storage containers...

a reply to: Silverlok

Its possible, but I dont think the tritium could be coming from leakage as wells next to #10 have low numbers and the levels of #10 are off the hook. And I considered illegal dumping but the problem with that is if they were dumping illegally, which Im sure they are to a lesser or greater extent, that dumping would be in one of the illegal outlet pipes feeding directly into the ocean where it couldnt be monitored, and not west of the reactors where the plume could be monitored as it headed under the plant and out to sea.

Either way though, something is rotten in Denmark.

I know some expected this but its still a shock at these numbers. From ENE this AM:

UPI: ‘Skyrocketing’ cancer cases in Fukushima —

AP: ‘Alarming’ cancer rates after nuclear disaster —

Times: Child cancers up 5,000% — Radiation doses may be “considerably higher” than estimated —

Expert: Cancer outbreak shows officials must now prepare for onset of leukemia, other diseases