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ServantOfTheLamb
Nostrenominon
I would also like to note that many Atheist claim a mass of energy outside our understanding of time is what caused the Big Bang...Oh so its outside this realm of existence and has the ability to create an entirely new dimension, and does so randomly, and we got lucky and landed the star dust that created us landed in the right place? Well that takes a lot more faith than saying something with intelligence put that course of action into existence and that is why we exist. You are assuming that their is no intelligent life outside this realm of existence, but yet you can assume that their was energy outside this realm of existence...if it was just a mass of energy(Spirit) could it not have a will?
I would like to also add that I only argue from a Christian stand point.
I would also like to add that there is more evidence of the Big Bang theory than evidence of an intelligent creator.
So in short, no, it doesn't take more faith to believe in something that more evidence exists for.
Case closed.
I would like to point out that I never said I disagree with the Big Bang theory? I said that it is more logical to assume an intelligent being guided the process, rather than assume everything happened by random chance.
"God wasn't created. He simply has always been and always will be. That is scientifically incompatible."...this logic could also apply to the universe...forever existing ...
toktaylor
reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb
on the first day light and day and night were created, (though the sun and moon
were not created until the fourth day....this cannot be supported by science or common sense thus genesis is clearly based on a fable.
toktaylor
reply to post by AfterInfinity
"God wasn't created. He simply has always been and always will be. That is scientifically incompatible."...this logic could also apply to the universe...forever existing ...
1) The universe is running down, and something that is running down must have started at some point. The second law of thermodynamics states that the universe is running out of usable energy and if you doubt this, look in the mirror (you’re aging and running down just like everything else). (2) The universe is expanding. This was confirmed through the Hubble telescope many years ago, and it is interesting to note that the universe is expanding from a single point, meaning the entire universe could be contracted back into a single point. Also, note that the universe is not expanding into space, but space itself is expanding. (3) The radiation echo was discovered by Bell Labs scientists in 1965. What is it? It is the heat afterglow from the Big Bang. Its discovery dealt a death blow to any theory of the universe being in a steady state because it shows instead that the universe exploded. (4) Galaxy Seeds. Scientists believe that, if the Big Bang is true (first, there was nothing, then, BANG, something came into being), then temperature “ripples” should exist in space, and it would be these ripples that enabled matter to collect into galaxies. To discover whether these ripples exist, the Cosmic Background Explorer – COBE – was launched in 1989 to find them, with the findings being released in 1992. What COBE found was perfect/precise ripples that, sure enough, enable galaxies to form. So critical and spectacular was this finding that the NASA lead for COBE, said, “If you’re religious, it’s like looking at God.” (5) Albert Einstein’s theory of relativity means that the universe had a beginning and was not eternal as he had previously believed (Einstein was originally a pantheist). His theory proved that the universe is not a cause, but instead one big effect—something brought it into existence. Einstein disliked his end result so much that he introduced a “fudge factor” into his theory that allowed for an eternal universe. But there was only one problem. His fudge factor required a division by zero in his calculations—a mathematical error any good math student knows not to make. When discovered by other mathematicians, Einstein admitted his error calling it “the greatest blunder of my life.” After his acknowledgment, and upon confirming further research that showed the universe expanding just as his theory of relativity predicted, Einstein bowed to the fact that the universe is not eternal and said that he wanted “to know how God created the world.” Read more: www.gotquestions.org...
Einstein referred to his belief system as "cosmic religion" and authored an eponymous article on the subject in 1954, which later became his book Ideas and Opinions in 1955.[37] The belief system recognized a "miraculous order which manifests itself in all of nature as well as in the world of ideas," devoid of a personal God who rewards and punishes individuals based on their behavior.
The Bible and Entropy Isaiah 51:6, Psalm 102:25, 26 and Hebrews 1:11 indicate the earth is wearing out, and concludes this is about the Second Law of Thermodynamics (the law of Increase Entropy) and defines it as: that in all physical process, every ordered system over time tends to become more disordered.
This is false. The second law of thermodynamics says no such thing that everything leads to disorder. It says that heat will not spontaneously flow from a colder body to a warmer one or, equivalently, that total entropy (a measure of useful energy) in a closed system will not decrease. This does not prevent increasing order.
Lol because they are Christian means they are incapable of understanding science.....you people....
ServantOfTheLamb
toktaylor
reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb
on the first day light and day and night were created, (though the sun and moon
were not created until the fourth day....this cannot be supported by science or common sense thus genesis is clearly based on a fable.
Why do you think that light is the sun? He defines day as being in the presence of light and darkness as night. Light exist can exist without the sun. So yes if you use a bit of common sense it can easily be supported by science.
toktaylor
reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb
I am eagerly awaiting to be enlighten as to how daylight exist without the presence of stars/suns...not to mention that based on the bible there are two contradictory creations stories highlighted in Genesis. Clearly they both cant be correct or maybe the simpliest explanation is the truth..they are BOTH incorrect.
1104light
ServantOfTheLamb
toktaylor
reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb
on the first day light and day and night were created, (though the sun and moon
were not created until the fourth day....this cannot be supported by science or common sense thus genesis is clearly based on a fable.
Why do you think that light is the sun? He defines day as being in the presence of light and darkness as night. Light exist can exist without the sun. So yes if you use a bit of common sense it can easily be supported by science.
We need the sun to create DAY now, so what did god use to create DAY before the sun?