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In the begining was only God. No universe, no spirit realm only a perfect thinking being... that ***wanted*** to
Originally posted by ElohimJD
reply to post by jiggerj
God sacrificed His peace (perfection) in order to create mankind is His spiritual image over the course of 7100 years.
Agape = God's love and it requires the sacrifice of self for the betterment of all others. God loved our purpose so much, He sacrificed Himself (peace/perfection) in order to create something with free will and perfection of thought, which can be accomplished in NO OTHER MANNER than by the perfect plan of God.
God is sacrifical love.
God Bless,
intent of the Creator of it all.
Originally posted by jiggerj
reply to post by EnochWasRight
intent of the Creator of it all.
Anything within a state of perfection, anything that IS perfection, cannot have intent. If it was god's 'intent' to make things better, or worse, less or more, is to declare that his state of perfection to be not perfect - to be lacking.
Consider this: If the universe and man were to be considered a part of god's perfection, if the creation of all that we see was a perfect idea, well, if god was never born and has always existed, then the creation of the universe would have been a perfect idea a trillion, trillion, trillion... years ago. So, why just 14 billion years ago? What changed?
Originally posted by amazing
Not to get too esoteric or philosophical on you, but you could say that nature and the universe, in a purely scientific perspective is absolutely perfect...even in it's imperfections. Is not the Solar system perfect?
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by jiggerj
None of those things would make it any less perfect. Everything relies on everything else. Everything is perfectly tuned.
Did you know that if you changed the force of gravity by even the smallest fraction of a percent, the entire universe would fall apart? It's called the "fine-tuned universe". You can't get much more perfect than that.
You can still have perfection without the biblical god being in the equation.
Originally posted by jiggerj
If a god has needs and wants, then he cannot be in a state of perfection.
319 God created the world to show forth and communicate his glory. That his creatures should share in his truth, goodness and beauty - this is the glory for which God created them.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by jiggerj
If a god has needs and wants, then he cannot be in a state of perfection.
Reaching WAY back to my catechism lessons ....
(I don't know if I'll even say it the way they did ... )
God created humanity out of pure love. He didn't create us out of something lacking in himself or a need for us to be here. He created us for us ... so that others could enjoy Him and be with Him. Creation does nothing to satisfy God .. it is there to share love.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
319 God created the world to show forth and communicate his glory. That his creatures should share in his truth, goodness and beauty - this is the glory for which God created them.
That's what 1/2 the Christians in the world say.
Take it or leave it. (i'm betting you'll leave it.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by jiggerj
I'd say that the conditions of the universe facilitated those bacteria to thrive in that paint bucket. If some bacteria didn't survive, that would imply that they were alive before the experiment was performed, meaning still that the universe facilitated their existence beforehand.
Originally posted by jiggerj
Now the question becomes, why is the earth only 4.5 billion years old? If this god has been around for, well, forever, and if he is perfectly all-knowing, then why aren't we seeing that the earth is a Googolplexian years old
loneliness, boredom, need, want...