I do support our president

Originally posted by JoeP2247
reply to post by Diisenchanted

 

How do you know - just because he may not speak for you does not mean he does speak for the rest of us.

The polled majority against a war aside, there is no shortage of everyday passersby who do not want war. If you can't see beyond your own exclusive circle in your life, that is your own fault for not keeping your ears open to others' views.

reply to post by JoeP2247


Well then if he speaks for you or any one else let me tell you the person that he speaks for sucks.

You are delusional perhaps you should see a doctor.

reply to post by Nyiah


And that is what I am supposed to base my opinions on?? I do not see how anyone can know enough people to make that meaningful.

Twist the question - if we launched a strike with no "boots on the ground" then you get a different answer, right??

Politics at this level by public opinion polls are dangerous.

reply to post by Diisenchanted


Who elected you god

Originally posted by JoeP2247
reply to post by Nyiah

 

And that is what I am supposed to base my opinions on?? I do not see how anyone can know enough people to make that meaningful.

Twist the question - if we launched a strike with no "boots on the ground" then you get a different answer, right??

Politics at this level by public opinion polls are dangerous.

No, I don't get a different answer. Fact of the matter is, we're broke as hell, and borrowing from other countries to flex our muscle. I've said this before several times in other threads, and I'll say it again : We can't afford it fiscally, and we can't afford it diplomatically. We have no money to wage war with (or to fix that fried infrastructure you want to damn them with) We've obliterated ourselves diplomatically, and have lost significant trust abroad. All intervening will do -- in ANY capacity -- is make us that much more broke, and that much more a hated, loathed, resented target for retaliation. It's simply not our war, we have no place over there. We are not the planet's cops, FFS. Why is this difficult to understand?

reply to post by JoeP2247


You are arguing a logical fallacy. By the time the A-Bombs were dropped on Japan, they were on their last leg, acting purely from a stance of desperation, and could of easily been overcome in more humane ways.

The atom bomb was no great decision. It was merely another powerful weapon in the arsenal of "righteousness". - Harry S. Truman

"It always appeared to us, atomic bomb or no atomic bomb, the Japanese were already on the verge of collapse." - Henry H. ("Hap") Arnold, commanding General of the Army Air Forces

It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons. - Admiral William D. Leahy

The use of the atomic bomb, with its indiscriminate killing of women and children, revolts my soul. - Herbert Hoover

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I f we are not that than please tell me just who is??

Originally posted by JoeP2247
reply to post by Nyiah

 

I f we are not that than please tell me just who is??

Seriously?! NO ONE IS. No lone country has the right to police the rest. If a group of them want to band together to police themselves, more power to them, that's an agreement, not sole King Shyte style of force like America tries to dole out.

reply to post by Nyiah


I just don't buy into the narrative that we should go to war just because Obama says we should.

There isn't even solid evidence on who used chemical weapons.

Originally posted by Diisenchanted
reply to post by Nyiah

 

I just don't buy into the narrative that we should go to war just because Obama says we should.

There isn't even solid evidence on who used chemical weapons.

I think you misunderstood? The poll I referenced showed that only 9% of Americans are for a war. The majority I was referring to was the majority being against going to war with Syria.

Assuming you mean that if Americans were for a war with evidence, I think it wouldn't be much different in numbers and general public opinion. We've rampaged through country after country for decades, and I'm tossing out there that people might be getting sick of fighting everyone possible.

Edit: Article from last week on Slate, citing that 9%:
www.slate.com...

Nobody hired him to do anything because he's a Puppet, a front man. He doesn't actually get to make any decisions. As for an EMP, yes it may scare Russia and China but the fallout from it would be devastating.
Plus Syria don't deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth.
America has no reason to go steaming into Syria, especially when America claims they can't afford to be able to keep funding some government programs such as funding for care centres, etc, but lo and behold, they can afford a war!

Originally posted by JoeP2247
And I think if there is indeed an EMP weapon - use it now on Syria. Do so and I think you will scare the crap out of the Russian and Chinese.

If we have such a weapon use it now - and we may just avoid a third world war. Would there have really been a second world war if we could have a Hiroshima in advance of it - a warning??

And I think people who do not rally behind our president - or any other elected president at such a juncture in history - are bordering on treason. Even if it was W I would support him at such a time as this. All politics stop at waters edge.

Joe

I quote Jeffrey Goines "Learn your drugs. Know your dosages. it's elementary."

reply to post by unphased

The general oath is "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;..."

Someone misplaced the part where we are obligated to support criminal politicians hell bent on committing crimes against humanity.

reply to post by Taissa


The problem is that the bribes already got into the hands of the Terrorist and now he lost control of the coup. See the people didn't like what Obama was doing to their country paying foreign mercenaries, Al-Qaida and the Muslin brotherhood to topple their government, they very well expressed their opinion of that when the Muslim brotherhood took over and they fought back.

It seems that our government have a hard time understanding what the people of other nations wants, after all we can see that here in the US the corporate dictatorship runs the nation and we do not longer have a government by the people and for the people.

reply to post by JoeP2247


You fail to make the distinction that we were the only ones capable of doing Hiroshima. No other country had the capability, but now many countries have the same capability as we do. If we EMPed Syria, someone would do it to us. You don't even need an EMP device... a high altitude nuclear detonation would do the trick.

Originally posted by sarahlm
Nobody hired him to do anything because he's a Puppet, a front man. He doesn't actually get to make any decisions.

The evidence for this is massive and undeniable...

WHY do so many choose not to believe it?

That's the thing that puzzles me.

The only answer I can see is that we are bombarded daily with lies from every direction.

Why do so many appear to be totally oblivious of this fact?

“The matrix is everywhere. It is all around us. Even now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window or when you turn on the television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. IT IS THE WORLD THAT HAS BEEN PULLED OVER YOUR EYES TO BLIND YOU FROM THE TRUTH. Morpheus – “The Matrix.”

The more I watch the man, the more I see a person who appears to be the “face” of some other entity or group. He seems like a “front man”. And it is becoming clear that his strings are being pulled by someone else. He does not appear to be the man in command of the ship of state. At least, he is not in the driver’s seat.

On the other hand, with Obama, it does not appear that there is anyone who is visible to we the people or the media who is pulling the strings. If they are there, they are not in elected positions as Cheney was. They are better hidden than that.

We know that he has been and remains surrounded by life-long radicals, professed communists and anti-capitalists, some of whom he has even appointed as czars in his administration. Thirty six czars, to date. But is it Obama who is picking the czars or is it the czars who are running the show and propping up Obama as their front man?

Who Pulls Puppet Obama’s Strings?

Every President in the Twentieth Century has been a hand puppet of the Rothschild-Rockefeller cartel of cartels. They wouldn’t let George manage a gas station let alone the "Free World." Luckily, Bush just reads the teleprompter. Henry Kissinger, CEO of the visible NWO, issues the orders.

Derision only gives Bush credibility heightening the illusion the US has a functioning democracy, mass media and justice system. Remember, the US government is ultimately responsible for the slaughter of 3000 Americans in broad daylight Sept. 11.

The US ruling class and punditry are complicit in the ongoing cover-up. The most obvious "controlled conflict" is the two party system. The Making of World Wars

Barry’s not calling the plays. That Soetoro, guy, you know, the one we know as Obama, ain’t in charge. He’s a front man, a puppet, a marionette. Someone, or some thing, is pulling his strings—and—to keep his rather cushy job he must sit down, shut up, and let the grownups take care of his reelection.

Gotta tell ya, folks, a tale of a guy who comes out of nowhere, leaving a trail of diversions for anyone seeking to nail down his previous life, and winds up as President of the United States, well, if you published it as a book it would, of necessity, be published as a novel, a fictional tale of intrigue, of international skulduggery, an immense flimflam— a con job.

But—HEY! It WORKED! And you can’t argue with success—or—can you? And the teleprompters have been rushed back into service to make darn sure that Obama makes no more of his Marxist declarations like—you guessed it— “You didn’t build that!”

The really “creative” nonsensical declarations will be assigned to the Vice-President—as if he needed orders to do what he does the moment his lips begin to move.

With his Central Casting used car salesman appearance and presentation, Biden is seen as a joke by everyone except the Democratic Party’s “true believers,” anyway. But somebody has to shovel the manure and Joe does wonderfully at that job, for which, he seems uniquely equipped.

Who Pulls Obama’s Strings?

reply to post by JoeP2247


yeah kill a bunch of people( innocents, kids included) to send a message, go amerika

reply to post by canucks555


the grid goes down and innocents will die in the aftermath and not just people in plans. people in Hospitals, the elderly , babies. The grid goes down water pumps stop working, sewage starts to overflow, people get sick. Then the lack of clean water starts to make people kill there neighbor for a drink of water. When the food run out people start eating each other. an emp is definitely lethal anyway you look at it

reply to post by JoeP2247


I don't support your president and as a British National I'm happy that Britain for once has not bowed down to your corrupt presidents requests.

However I would love to visit the beautiful lands of America and would to go site seeing and visit places all over

Tell your president to show the evidence he's believe he has.

reply to post by charles1952


Hey Charles -Just some opinion for you, I won't try and have you believe that I am right and everyone else is wrong. (as many seem quite jaded in their opinions on this)

Why didn't he call Congress back right away?

-Obama probably wanted to give himself and his backers more time to form a broader partnership. Strike too early and not all available means, military and political, would be available.

If he believes he has the authority to attack without Congress' approval, why ask for it?

-The president most likely sees the benefits of not alienating Congress.

Why has he waited for 2 years and 100,000 dead to get this worked up?

-because the rest of the world cannot see genocide when it's looking them straight in the face? I honestly don't know, Assad should have been taken out ages ago imo

What does he hope to accomplish, precisely?

Maybe he wants to send a message that dictators who murder their own people must be held accountable.

If he wants to bomb chemical weapons facilities, why has he given them such advance notice?

He doesn't want to bomb chemical weapons facilities. He's been briefed on the obvious consequences of such an endeavor.

Who is he supporting in this struggle?

He's supporting the Syrian people that are struggling (two million refugees) because Assad has lost control of the situation. "The AQ elements in the FSA" is a false statement. The FSA hate AQ and actually fight them when they don't have their guns trained on the dictator Assad. Those who support the dictator will have you believe otherwise in order for the civil war to continue unabated.
Why does he think they have a chance?

I'm not sure what your question pertains to, you could elaborate as it's a rather broad subject.

cheers