John Kerry praises French, snubs British on Syria

Originally posted by seagull
Were I the British? I'd be apoplectic...I mean seriously pissed off.

Apparently, the threat level in the UK has been raised from Slightly Miffed to Quite Pissed Off. If it get's any higher, we might send a strongly worded letter, but then apologise for having to resort to that....

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The French are usually quite quick to get involved when it concerns a former colony - hence Mali and now Syria. Anything outside of their former Empire and they generally don't care.

Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by seagull
Were I the British? I'd be apoplectic...I mean seriously pissed off.

Apparently, the threat level in the UK has been raised from Slightly Miffed to Quite Pissed Off. If it get's any higher, we might send a strongly worded letter, but then apologise for having to resort to that....

LMFAO...

All this queuing to post my strongly worded letter is going to require a nice cup of tea when I get home.

Risky stuff from the Americans, relying on the French to help you fight a war?

Good luck!

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I can't help but think it's time for y'all to rethink your alliance with us...

Why anyone in their right minds would align themselves with the U.S. at this moment in time is quite beyond me.

Our foreign policy seems to consist of seeing who we can piss off the most without actually bombing them... Which I suppose is an improvement over the past decade or so...

Throw the Brits under the bus, and exchange them for the French?

I'm thoroughly disgusted.

He said 'oldest' ally and he is right. They fought with us and financially supported us against the British so he is technically right.

reply to post by liveandlearn


It changes all the time when it comes to Americans deciding when they were no longer "the British" and became "the Americans". Either it's the Treaty of Paris and the creation of the USA in 1783, or it's the first British colony in the Americas in 1607.

for the first time in my life, I can honestly say that I'm proud that my government said no to military action.

I was watching John Kerry make his speech yesterday and and remember thinking when he didn't mention the us Brit that it was a bit of a snub.

My fear is that, with this snub, will it drive Russia and the UK closer?, I know we have a lot of differences, but Putin has got to be delighted that the UK Government voted no, then the US snub, It seems there's space for Putin to draw the UK and Russia closer, if he wants to, and maybe even China.

'no, we are not allowing you to do another Tony Bliar on us or the nations armed forces'.

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It's both of the nations that should be saying that. Tony Blair will be back again, this time as "Middle East ambassador for peaceful intervention".

Originally posted by Tortuga
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I await the renaming of 'English Muffins' with eager anticipation.

No, they're just muffins. None of this English muffin nonsense.

The other things are called cakes.

Originally posted by ukmicky1980

My fear is that, with this snub, will it drive Russia and the UK closer?.

Lol. No, nothing to worry about there.

The British and Russian establishments will continue to loathe one another. No doubt Putin will be amused by Cameron's bungling. I cant wait to see the photos of them together at the next summit.

As there is no instinctive natural animosity between russian ordinary folks and british ordinary folks anyway I don't see how this will change much.

Originally posted by liveandlearn
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He said 'oldest' ally and he is right. They fought with us and financially supported us against the British so he is technically right.

Thank you for pointing this out. Kerry spoke facts,
France = oldest ally
Brits = Closest

and don't forget Poland

Anyhow, I didn't see in the speech any intentional disrespect towards the Brits, just not mentioned. I suspect they are big enough to where we don't need to mention them every time we have a conference.

Japan is our ally also..and they weren't mentioned...did Kerry snub the Japanese?

Ok now i hope the government doesnt bitch out and stick there head back up americas a** again

reply to post by SaturnFX


Good points, well made

As has been said within the thread, this is most likely the UK media rocking the boat and trying to paint Cameron as having jeopardised the relationship which, of course, is silly. One paper ran with a front page faking a "Death Notice"...

I think Brits on the Left and Right are celebrating the end really. They're only our ally when it suits them, the rest of the time they're snubbing us or, at worst, paying or enemies to bomb us like with the IRA.

Hopefully this marks the end of the UK being an verly exploited poodle and we switch to a 'worthwhile relationship'.

If it suits U.S. purposes then any country is their "closest ally."

You'd think the United States would respect the democratic decision made in the UK, after all democracy is what the U.S. is trying to bring to the rest of the world....isn't it?

The US and the UK are still strong allies despite the UK parliament voting against military action.

It doesn't suddenly mean all close ties or cooperation is absolved.

Oh ya trust the French after 9/11...I rememeber seeing on E-Bay French wII rifle for sale never fired -droped once.

If not for the French Navy,arms and even limited troops it would have taken that much longer to throw the enemies out.I don't particularly like the French but history speaks for itself and they deserve at least that respect.Btw,im totally AGAINST Syrian strikes of any kind.

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With Kerry "snubbing" the British (who supported Bush in the Iraqi fiasco) it appears the Democrats are no better than the Republicans when Bush made the now famous statement "Either you're with us or you're against us" to those countries who wouldn't support the US in the Iraq invasion.

Didn't work then and I'm guessing it won't work now.

Anybody ever wonder why rich Russians are buying up London? as well as British soccer teams? Especially that area of London called 'Mayfair' houses are millions of Dollars.