To all the Christians out there...

Christ was a jew. How can you call yourself a Christian when you cast aside rites and rituals and teachings of the Jews.

I hope you don't think that this is an original thought...

reply to post by Jefferton


Nope...just a reminder. Sometimes they are needed. I want to do the same to all the preachers and reverends.

Originally posted by eso322
Christ was a jew. How can you call yourself a Christian when you cast aside rites and rituals and teachings of the Jews.

The Jews rejected Christ, He came to them first.

a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.” 23 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting [a]at us.” 24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25 But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” 26 And He answered and said, “It is not [c]good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 27 But she said, “Yes, Lord; [d]but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” 28 Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed [e]at once.

In this case, Christians are the dogs who take what the intended recipients rejected.

The Jewish people are under the Covenant of Moses, the Christians are under a New Covenant in Christ. Although I do agree most "christian" churches are not following doctrines they should.

Which all stems from the Catholic church and the Protestant reformation not going far enough.

Definition of Christian -

1. of, relating to, or professing Christianity or its teachings.
2 a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.

Matthew 5:17 - Jesus said - Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

Matthew 16:18 - Jesus said - You are Peter, the rock, and upon this rock I shall build my Church.

The Jewish faith is one of prophecy. It was fulfilled in Jesus. It is finished.
Jesus formed His own church. And He told Peter that whatever he said .. goes.
So there is no need of any Jewish rites.
According to Jesus, that religion is fulfilled (over).

benrl has an excellent point.

If I am not mistaken, the Jews labeled Jesus a false prophet and do not recognize his "divinity".

So WHY WOULD a Christian practice Jewish rites and rituals?

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
benrl has an excellent point.

If I am not mistaken, the Jews labeled Jesus a false prophet and do not recognize his "divinity".

So WHY WOULD a Christian practice Jewish rites and rituals?

Just because Christians have no obligation to some of the rights and practices, does not mean they couldn't honor them just that they don't have too.

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I can agree that Christians CAN honor or practice Jewish rituals if they choose to, but I thought the OP's premise was that a true Christian HAS to.

And if the Jews labeled Jesus a false prophet and do not recognize his divinity...why would a Christian want to?

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
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I can agree that Christians CAN honor or practice Jewish rituals if they choose to, but I thought the OP's premise was that a true Christian HAS to.

And if the Jews labeled Jesus a false prophet and do not recognize his divinity...why would a Christian want to?

Yeah just respond to you about why would, they could just dont have to, As for the op hes entitled to his view, yet he has yet to back it up a theological basis or argument...

So if Christians are following Jewish teachings just because they want to doesn’t that make most of the stuff Christians do absurd when they claim the bible says so? Against gays, abortion, placing 10 commandments everywhere, all that righteousness seems so baseless.

Originally posted by eso322
Christ was a jew. How can you call yourself a Christian when you cast aside rites and rituals and teachings of the Jews.

I see that you're new to ATS, are you also new to Christianity?

This is Christianity 101 stuff -- Christ came to fulfill the Law, Christ IS the Law. All of that old stuff, dietary habits, ritual washings, etc, went out the window for Christians. Do yourself a favour -- pick up a Bible and read it.

I'm missing something obvious here, and I'm not afraid to display my ignorance. I always thought that a CHRISTian was a follower of Christ. Why would it matter if Christ was a Jew? If people were following Him and His message, aren't they doing what He wanted? I don't think He preached that His hearers should become Jews.

I don't see the problem.

Originally posted by charles1952
I'm missing something obvious here, and I'm not afraid to display my ignorance. I always thought that a CHRISTian was a follower of Christ. Why would it matter if Christ was a Jew? If people were following Him and His message, aren't they doing what He wanted? I don't think He preached that His hearers should become Jews.

I don't see the problem.

Jesus, was a Jewish teacher, who taught on Jewish law like no one ever had at the time.

Everything about the christian faith is supposed to be the fulfillment of the Jewish faith, He was supposed to be their promised Messiah fulfilling thousands of years of promises made to the Jews by god.

They rejected him...

If they had accepted him, you might see the Jewish Religion being more like the Masonic Jews that exist today, who still honor BOTH Jewish faith AND Christ.

Honestly I kinda see the similarities between the Pharisees of old during Jesus times, and Modern Christian religion.

They have fallen into the same traps.

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Good job benrl.

But the protestant reformation went pretty far. It just got ambushed near its inception as well.

Read about the actions and beliefs of the many various reformers (and some of those clashed in personality, but in zeal, they were equals!) and you will see what I mean.

I especially RELATE to the story of John Bunyan. (at the risk of sounding schizophrenic; and you'll know what I mean if you read, "Grace Abounding to the Chief of Sinners".

reply to post by adjensen


I thought in Christianity that meant him dying for our sins? What about similar customs he practiced as described in the Gospels. I can understand where the OP is coming from because he sees differences between Jews and Christians and I think he wonders how the bridged can be built.

reply to post by eso322


Hey eso322,

It doesn't take long to read the Bible. If you're a slow reader, and you actually digest the information, it only takes about 3 months. If you're a fast reader, and you actually digest the information, it only takes about a month.

Of course, you'll digest more if you read more.

Read the Bible itself and you'll see all the answers you need. If you're looking for someone to hand you a really, really quick answer, then you'll never understand the full scope of what your question actually means - because though someone may explain all the logic, you won't come to understand the true character. Our human nature gives us feelings to understand these things, if you put forth the effort.

Enjoy; it really is addicting, and enjoyable, when you start with a desire to learn.

Originally posted by TarzanBeta
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Good job benrl.

But the protestant reformation went pretty far. It just got ambushed near its inception as well.

Read about the actions and beliefs of the many various reformers (and some of those clashed in personality, but in zeal, they were equals!) and you will see what I mean.

I especially RELATE to the story of John Bunyan. (at the risk of sounding schizophrenic; and you'll know what I mean if you read, "Grace Abounding to the Chief of Sinners".

I studied the reformation extensively, ill have to read that book.

My biggest problem with the Reformation is it left many of the pagan beliefs intact from Constantine, things that many modern "Christian" Sects use as a Hook to attract people when they find out that the sect IS right on these matters, they can than sell them more heretical doctrines based on the "truths" they provided against other more moderate christian faiths.

Originally posted by Phoenix267
reply to post by adjensen

 

I thought in Christianity that meant him dying for our sins? What about similar customs he practiced as described in the Gospels. I can understand where the OP is coming from because he sees differences between Jews and Christians and I think he wonders how the bridged can be built.

The Old Testament is just as important as the new, as it establishes much of the basis of the doctrines in the New testament.

The old testament being the Jewish Torah, a good outlook would be.

OT= Gods view on SIN.

NT= Gods view on the Sinner.

an important distinction to know in both cases.

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The first five books of the bible are the Torah and the rest are consider the OT in Christianity. I just remember a verse that mentions Jesus wanting to continue the teachings of the prophets before him and I cannot remember where I read it.

Originally posted by Phoenix267
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I thought in Christianity that meant him dying for our sins?

Correct. And, if you could save yourself by following the Law, as the Jews taught, then Christ died for nothing.