Fast-food walkout U.S. workers strike in several cities to call attention to low wages.

reply to post by MikeNice81

Those who have a better understanding of reality are frequently misunderstood by those who have little understanding of it.

We are raised by people that have a clue, but no real information or knowledge to provide that can save us the trouble of making mistakes and learning from those mistakes ourselves without falling into the traps set by those greedy bastards who run the world.

reply to post by MikeNice81


if u have indeed studied those things then what u have now is come out of it with a belief.. a faith, that you have internalized some great wisdom. and this is fueling YOUR ego to believe you understand it all. but remember until you achieve the goal, u are a mere scholar and have much to learn. and when u achieve the goal you will see the true viewpoint of the Buddha and of aristotle and men like pythagoras and davinci. note i didnt call anyone garbage.. note i didnt accuse anyone of being guilty. one person admitted their own guilt.

also the other fact of the matter that is obvious and a representable fact, that some humans have achieved a level of human nature that shows we are all ABLE TO GROW TO THEIR LEVEL. why do you look to aristotle? why not become your own aristotle? what is stopping you? isnt it the setting of limitations on yourself that leads you to fail to try??

as many will point out.. try and you will succeed. that does not apply only in the material world as many will try to make it stick to. it extends into the very fabric of existence. what you aim for, you can grow closer to. so dont set limits on yourself and others. and you just might defeat the brainwashing that leaves you to believe that even after you have studied so much from books, that all there is to gain has already been gained just by reading them. at some point you must put what you read into practice. and become better and better at performing that practice WITH PRACTICE. isnt that how everything works?

dont attack my ego. i do not feel guilty because i am confident that my good deeds far outweigh any misdeeds i have done. and i ensure that i am always in the positive by continually adding to that bank. i dont stop. i keep doing good to make up. it's like an addiction. it feels good. it feels .. guiltless.

as your teachings would have shown you. we cannot become perfect in the flesh. but we can strive for perfection and become BETTER. internally. the spirit of the eternal is perfect. what we would then be doing is learning to channel and adhere more to the wishes of the perfect spirit within.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by filledcup

 

By the way, he is my reply I had on page 2/3 of your other thread.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Governments are corrupt. And people are generally jerks. Those are two very large hurdles to overcome.

Pythagoras said, "So long as free men require laws, they are not fit for freedom." Stated somewhat differently by Thoreau, "I HEARTILY ACCEPT the motto, — "That government is best which governs least";(1) and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe, — "That government is best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have."

There is a change needed within humanity before this will be possible. I always tell people that my viewpoints border on anarchist. This is true. Not that I think we should be lawless, but rather that at some point in our future we should not need laws. As it relates to the present, I think we should lose many of our laws and focus only on crimes with victims (do things like make taxes where you can't defraud as an individual due to collection at points of sale, etc).

It applies here as well.

I have been at odds with most of the things you have shared in this thread.

The statements you quoted from another thread however.....well I couldnt find any fault in those simple words of perfect reason if I wanted to, I cant believe you could quote those men, and say what you said, yet say the same things your saying in this thread, it is like a Jeckel and Hide personality change.

Perhaps the err is on my part, and we both think the same things, we just disagree about the methods and means to accomplishing them, though the ends be the same.

Originally posted by vtcajun
reply to post by NorEaster

 

Success comes thru hard work, dedication, loyalty and the desire for something better.

This is all that is needed? really? millions of people work HARD!
Millions dedicated their lives and loyalty only to get SCREWED by offshoring. AND find me someone who doesn't 'desire for something better' every living thing!!

EMPTY WORDS.... stumble into a musical chair and patronize. OH WAIT!! YOU are the best IT GUY since sliced bread right? there aren't at least 100,000 people that could do what you do, perhaps better?

IT is ALL musical chairs and cheap rhetoric.

POINT IS..... EVERY PERSON.... ALL PEOPLE... deserve dignity and food. WHO ARE YOU?

IT isn't exactly something that requires bravery, courage, OR ANYTHING REMOTELY CLOSE..

And,, EVERYTHING we have in the Western World is off the BACKS of those that serve and DID serve..
I see TOO MANY people ---- (cowards = able bodied who never served) ---- end up with more than those who GAVE MORE... and some whose kids WILL GROW up WITH LESS than a coward..

I say, until we JUSTLY PAY those that make it all possible... ALL THOSE that NEVER SERVED, trailer parks and welfare.. for BEING FREELOADERS

Just rereading some of the posts here.

The things that struck me were; that logic failed to connect with what franchise owners make, and what the employees and many posters demanded.

Something else, the lack of humility in so many. It's as if the thought of increasing pay would make up for the fact that they are working at a fast food restaurant.
Perhaps the most recent generations aren't taught humility.
They don't know what it is like to be humble.

They are told over and over how awesome they are and how exceptional they are.

Humility teaches us the value of even the smallest thing. The smallest gesture. The smallest gift.

Humility teaches us a perspective. It gives meaning and import to achievements earned, not given.

I don't honestly think we are teaching that anymore. Sadly, the examples are all over the place.

reply to post by HanzHenry

There are no free-loaders, it's just another term to marginalize those who are less fortunate by those who do NOTHING.

What's needed is a general strike, fast food workers going on strike will amount to little more than an annoyance to those who don't work for anything.

Originally posted by vtcajun
reply to post by Tazkven

 

You obviously have never started your own business with your own capital and have had to hire low skilled, unmotivated workers. You obviously haven't worked 20hrs a day trying to motivate and tell the workers what to do every minute of the day. Have you had to worry about how to balance the books and make payroll because business is slow and the state mandates higher wages? HAVE YOU EVER HAD TO DECIDE WHO GETS LAID OFF AND WHO DOESN'T BECAUSE THE STATE INCREASES THE MINIMUM WAGE?
I have. In the end it is the big corporations who win in this end game. The mom&pops go out of business while the big corporations use their deep pockets to nail the final nail in the coffin of the mom&pop. Be careful for what you wish for and educate yourself in how businesses are run, responsibilities to the stock holders and when it comes to mom&pops, they have to protect their investments. Until unskilled workers have skin in the game, take responsibility for their own lack of motivation, they will forever be the economically disadvantaged. What you are advocating for is pure unadulterated Communism where everyone shares in the take without having to contribute.

edit on 8/30/2013 by vtcajun because: Edited to add clarity to a sentence.

The workers have far more skin in the game, you have invested nothing but money, which if lost can be gotten again.

The workers are spending their lives, every second of which is gone forever, never to be gotten back no matter what occurs.

Money is not more important than lives. These people are using their finite resource of LIFE, so you can make big money.

All they want is fare compensation for their commitment of life lost so you can get rich.

I dont think a fare wage is too much to ask.

Only someone who thinks their life is worth more than the lives of many others would even say such a idiotic thing.

Your life is no more valuable than any others, your time is worth as much as theirs, they do have families and kids etc ... also, your not the only person in the world.......if I wasnt inclined to believe better, I would say your one of the sociopaths causing all these problems because you like to lord your position over, and enjoy the needless suffering of others, that you believe to be beneath you.

I am wrong right?

You do actually understand these people are burning a limited wick so you can live high on the hog right?

reply to post by filledcup


I actually gave you a star. While not everything you said applies to me, it does need to be said.

I disagree on the idea that multiple good deeds out weigh a bad deed. To me that is a way of pacifying ourselves. The negative still ripples throughout just like a good deed. However, that is merely a case of different paths leading to different truths which can still be contained in the one.

reply to post by MikeNice81


and that's why you never stop doing good. even after you've accomplished your goal.

8th

reply to post by NorEaster


NorEaster, I never called you a loser. I am sorry to hear about your medical woes, but here is the problem. SSDI and other assistance programs are more concerned with rewarding lazy behavior and are treated as a means to an end for those who have no motivation or self respect. Assistance programs should help those who are physically, emotionally or mentally unable, and supplement if not replace whatavere they are capable of providing for themselves within reason. It is easy, but not right to paint with a broad brush, I conceed to that. Government mandates and regulations however contribute to you not being considered a good worker's comp risk, not businesses. Many businesses would be happy to hire and do hire people with skills who ordinarily would be in your situation.
Many states grant full college tuition for disabilities or if unable to do manual labor to learn a new skill. Go get a project management degree or certification. Many IT departments will hire off the street starting at $50- $75k per year for a PM. Explore all options. I applaud you however for not giving up and I wish you nothing but the best, but a famous quote says "God helps those who help themselves" is very true. Perseverance and hard work yields results. None of us should ever give up and never blame others for what we should be doing for ourselves.

Originally posted by beezzer
*facepalm*

Is there still an argument here?

How is anyone able to justify a 15 dollar/hour pay when that is what the franchise OWNER is making?

I swear, sometimes it's like I'm talking to teenagers!

I call BS on this issue right now, there is not one person on this entire planet would invest over a million dollars into a business to make $15 an hour.

This entire statement is absolute crap Beezer and you know it.

In high school I was friends with a girl, her parents owned 3 KFC's, each averaged over 2 million a year profits, in a very small town...well 3 very small towns actually, as there wasnt enough room to make 3 in one town of less than 10k populous within town limits.

There were also Mcdonalds, BK's, Hardees ( Carls junior if your in the south), Pizza Hut...and a few mom and pops.

That would only take about 50 years to recoup the investment........that is not going to happen, and NO BANK ANYWHERE will finance that!

Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by vtcajun
reply to post by Tazkven

 

You obviously have never started your own business with your own capital and have had to hire low skilled, unmotivated workers. You obviously haven't worked 20hrs a day trying to motivate and tell the workers what to do every minute of the day. Have you had to worry about how to balance the books and make payroll because business is slow and the state mandates higher wages? HAVE YOU EVER HAD TO DECIDE WHO GETS LAID OFF AND WHO DOESN'T BECAUSE THE STATE INCREASES THE MINIMUM WAGE?
I have. In the end it is the big corporations who win in this end game. The mom&pops go out of business while the big corporations use their deep pockets to nail the final nail in the coffin of the mom&pop. Be careful for what you wish for and educate yourself in how businesses are run, responsibilities to the stock holders and when it comes to mom&pops, they have to protect their investments. When unskilled workers have skin in the game, take responsibility for their own lack of motivation, they will forever be the economically disadvantaged. What you are advocating for is pure unadulterated Communism where everyone shares in the take without having to contribute.

If starting a business requires you to become a subhuman, then don't start one. Not everyone is cut out to own their own business, and just because we've all been taught that the American Dream is to own your own house and your own business, it doesn't mean that we all have what it takes to live that dream.

You sound like you hate being a business owner, so maybe you should reconsider being a business owner? Obviously, you're not very successful if you are incapable of recruiting quality employees and finding the bottom line room to treat them properly.

The real bitch about business is that most people who occupy the critical positions within the organizational structure of most businesses have no business occupying those positions, and the precarious health of the American professional/corporate culture is evidence of just how destructive it can be when this is how things have shaken out. It's too bad that there aren't other activities that some of these sludges can engage in, but we've created a survival system that depends on a person earning money for doing something that someone else will pay them money in exchange for their doing whatever it is.

Some things - like brightening someone else's day - have proven to be valueless (some could say priceless, but it still means that no one gets paid for it) so no one pursues these efforts seriously. Other things - like setting someone else up to lose a lot of money, or even lose their freedom - have proven to be extremely valuable to a lot of people. Even if only to defend against such an attack. This relative value system has created a modern society that's based on a dystopian paradigm, which (not surprisingly) works to the advantage of extremely damaged and malevolently inclined people.

If life is being so terrible for you, be happy about the fact that you'll be allowed to die soon enough.

I hate you for being so right....but I hate everyone, so I guess thats ok!!!

reply to post by oblvion


what hole have you been living in? I had more sleepless night, less time with my family and a lifetime of savings tied up from hard work sacrificing wages so I could pay my employees. Anyone with a sense of pride and a desire to improve will not stay in a minimum wage job. I had several good employees I hated losing move on to something better. I still stay in touch with some of them and they have thanked me for the opportunity to earn while they made improvements on their own. As a boss, I only owe my workers what I have promised them when they accepted the job. When no one wants to work for a wage, the free market will drive up wages. An example of that is that in the mid-late 90's in the Dallas/Ft Worth area, fast food joints had to pay starting wages of around $10/hr. That would be the equivalent of $15/hr in todays wages when you account for buying power of the wage. This was because there were many more better paying jobs and workers would not work for less.

Never the less, stop whining about what you expect and go work your way up somewhere from the bottom. You will have much more appreciation for any job you get. Remember, no one owes you anything. You want something out of life, you need to work for it and find something you are good at and be the best at it. Being a professional expecter will keep you a miserable whiner.

reply to post by NorEaster


Oh, I have no doubt that it will all end eventually.

And then it will start over. Just like before. Funny you mention Rome....it is their economic shackles that we still fight today. The "Global Elite" started there, and has survived through each subsequent collapse.

Learn how to play their game. The logic of their system. It is your best chance.

Well, that and treating other people like they matter to you. The interpersonal stuff is what matters the most.

Originally posted by MyHappyDogShiner
reply to post by HanzHenry

 

There are no free-loaders, it's just another term to marginalize those who are less fortunate by those who do NOTHING.

What's needed is a general strike, fast food workers going on strike will amount to little more than an annoyance to those who don't work for anything.

I actually heard the term 'freeloader' by a caller to a local conservative talk show that's on before rush. I mean WOW!


welfare?--nope, get a job
job that doesn't pay a living wage? -- fight for living wage? PFFT... go to school and get a better job!

it is absolutely INCREDIBLE.. I truly saw people give ALL and I cheated death on several occasions. My family history is rife with dead soldiers and hard workers under very bad circumstances.. HECK my entire family has been overseas for the military. Mom, Dad, only brother, and myself. My family tree has only a few branches left due to WW1, WW2, etc..
To see the offspring of cowards continue generation after generation in the wealthy class... SICKENS ME, I would rather have turned my ancestors BLOOD and TOIL against the ELITES and continue to this day if that's what it takes...

99% of all that have a taste of wealth actually feel they DESERVE IT... ffs! it is sickening,

I couldn't be a billionaire. My desire for being a lottery winner is to travel the globe and do basic things to help the suffering. We have the ability to end suffering but instead those with the LOOT choose instead to indulge their own impulses..

I WANT A WAR ON THAT!.... have more than say $5million, YOU ARE THE ENEMY

reply to post by HanzHenry

Yup, if there actually was such a thing as a "remote viewer", why in hell don't just remote view some lottery numbers, hell, offer it as a service for a fee....a cut of the take.

It isn't hard to see the bull flying around, unless you are stuck at a crappy job, making no fair compensation for your labor, too tired to do anything but sleep or sit in front of the boob tube at the end of the day....

Could you imagine what a mess it would be if people didn't have the MSM for a time?. Think maybe that's why they are so concerned with the potential interruptions to electricity?.

Gee whiz, we can't have people stopping and thinking, they just might see it for what it is.

reply to post by NorEaster



Agreed!!!

This entire system is on the verge of folding completely.

It is a house built on a foundation that is not willing to withstand very much more, they have abused it and used it beyond its ability to withstand.

Those at the top will be the first losers, as they will be the first to suffer the wrath of the masses they abused beyond comprehension, staved beyond belief, as they say catch phrases like "let them eat cake".

Ask Mary Antoinette how that turned out for her and her ilk.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by NorEaster

 

Oh, I have no doubt that it will all end eventually.

And then it will start over. Just like before. Funny you mention Rome....it is their economic shackles that we still fight today. The "Global Elite" started there, and has survived through each subsequent collapse.

Learn how to play their game. The logic of their system. It is your best chance.

Well, that and treating other people like they matter to you. The interpersonal stuff is what matters the most.

how TRUE.. that roman lineage went to France, then invaded the British Isles. they are behind it all.. ALEX JONES names them! and that crazy s.o.b. is correct about the royals..

systems and/of money and religion. people fail to connect how these certain monarchies STILL RULE after a thousand years.. ONLY if I was royalty would I want the system to continue.

Personally, our ancestors had it right.. the Native Americans and the pre-saxon peoples(scots, ires, brits,) lived pretty similarly by societal structures..

reply to post by oblvion

Let them eat gold.

See how that works for 'em.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by brandiwine14
Do some of you realize that people grew up poor? They could not afford college ....

1 - Just because someone 'grew up poor' doesn't mean that they deserve a free handout for flipping burgers.

They're not asking for a hand-out, they're asking for wages.

2 - They couldn't afford college? Neither could I. So I joined the military and got to go to college FOR FREE. That's right. The military gave me a job ... gave me job skills ... gave me clothes and food and a roof over my head .. and a FREE COLLEGE EDUCATION.

It's all right there for the taking.

So, after preaching to all and sundry how they shouldn't be paid more than their job is worth and anything more is a 'free hand-out', they should earn their way to a good job - here you are now saying you got more than your job was worth, because you took free hand-outs from your employer.

When it's you who gets more than your job is worth, it's ok?

Pot, meet kettle.