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Originally posted by Hanslune
That number also applies to many other places on the two longitute and latitude lines of the same number that run around the world
Originally posted by Spider879
Forgetting the original keepers of time are we??..yes.. that's right women with their monthlies,who also in my view discovered simple agriculture,after all when we failed to bring back that meat on hooves we still gotta eat..
World's first calender?? created by women??..The Ishango Bone, 20,000yrs BC
Alexander Marshack examined the Ishango bone microscopically, and concluded that it may represent a six-month lunar calendar; but see Judy Robinson who argues that Marshack over-interprets the data and that the evidence does not support lunar calendars. Claudia Zaslavsky has suggested that this may indicate that the creator of the tool was a woman, tracking the lunar phase in relation to the menstrual cycle.
en.wikipedia.org...
edit on 29-8-2013 by Spider879 because: Add more info
Originally posted by LastAmazonOnEarth
reply to post by mikegrouchy
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The history of time keeping started in a time in which time got lost, and found again, and lost again. What you call 2013 could easily be 3013 OR 4013.
What ever dates that history 'GIVES AND STARTS' Times and DATES and calenders , is really false to life to even imagine.
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Originally posted by yampa
I don't think anyone invents calenders or numbers, they are based on natural constants. I don't think trying to line up calender inception dates with disasters is a very productive use of your time.
Originally posted by yampa
Originally posted by mikegrouchy
Since the move to Atomic Clocks,
GPS location has been possible.
Accurate global positioning has only been possible since modern science started using atomic clocks?
oh rly?:
Speed of light = 299,792,458 m/s
Modern science's latitude for the great pyramid of giza = 29.9792° N
Originally posted by Hanslune
That number also applies to many other places on the two longitute and latitude lines of the same number that run around the world
Originally posted by yampa
Originally posted by Hanslune
That number also applies to many other places on the two longitute and latitude lines of the same number that run around the world
Thank you for clarifying how a circle works
“Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people.”
-Eleanor Roosevelt
Normally I like the stuff you contribute Spider879.
But WTF is this chit.
Are you being blatantly sexist?
Originally posted by mikegrouchy
I'm actually surprised
that no one has challenged the
specific dating of the invention of numbers.
I guess there are not too many Historians posting here.
I did find this interesting quote
from ancient Egyptian myth during my research.
Before all things was Time, then Desire (Motive), then Darkness
Mike
Originally posted by Spider879
reply to post by mikegrouchy
Normally I like the stuff you contribute Spider879.
But WTF is this chit.
Are you being blatantly sexist?
No!!! actually the opposite there is a belief in some circles that women were the first keepers of time connected to the moon and their monthly cycle..if you got the impression that's it's actually sexist then obviously it's a delivery fail on my part but check the link or look up Alexander Marshack or Claudia Zaslavsky on the theory and the Ishango bones themselves is 20kyrs old that might connect with the Moon and women..I think most of the moon goddesses were in fact feminine..
Originally posted by uncommitted
Originally posted by mikegrouchy
I'm actually surprised
that no one has challenged the
specific dating of the invention of numbers.
I guess there are not too many Historians posting here.
I did find this interesting quote
from ancient Egyptian myth during my research.
Before all things was Time, then Desire (Motive), then Darkness
Mike
I don't understand what you mean by 'invention of numbers' - you don't invent numbers, they just exist. I think what you mean is when did humans start articulating numerical values (as in there is one sheep, there is another, let's call that two sheep) that surely is a different thing. I also don't think that written records would give a date as to when that articulation started, just when it was necessary to do so in a written form, possibly for an inventory or a sale of goods.
I cannot remember offhand where I read it, but it's probably in a book by Bill Bryson (hey, I'm a layman), but I believe some languages/dialects even now use terms based on either the singular, followed by the equivalent of 'some' followed by 'many'
In your OP you have letters being invented roughly 4,000 years later than numbers - that makes no sense at all as without expressing what the numbers mean, they are meaningless.
Are you seriously taking the position that the modern woman needs any man
to either defend them or restore their history?
Can't they do that for themselves.
Aren't you admitting they lack the ability to do it on their own
by championing them?
Originally posted by Spider879
reply to post by mikegrouchy
Are you seriously taking the position that the modern woman needs any man
to either defend them or restore their history?
Can't they do that for themselves.
Aren't you admitting they lack the ability to do it on their own
by championing them?
No I sight Claudia Zaslavsky an ethno mathematician among others it is out of respect and recognition,and I do research on female history not because I feel the need to champion them necessarily but because I love history all history.
Originally posted by yampa
Originally posted by Hanslune
That number also applies to many other places on the two longitute and latitude lines of the same number that run around the world
Thank you for clarifying how a circle works
Originally posted by Spider879
reply to post by mikegrouchy
Normally I like the stuff you contribute Spider879.
But WTF is this chit.
Are you being blatantly sexist?
No!!! actually the opposite there is a belief in some circles that women were the first keepers of time connected to the moon and their monthly cycle..if you got the impression that's it's actually sexist then obviously it's a delivery fail on my part but check the link or look up Alexander Marshack or Claudia Zaslavsky on the theory and the Ishango bones themselves is 20kyrs old that might connect with the Moon and women..I think most of the moon goddesses were in fact feminine..
I don't understand what you mean by 'invention of numbers' - you don't invent numbers, they just exist. I think what you mean is when did humans start articulating numerical values (as in there is one sheep, there is another, let's call that two sheep) that surely is a different thing. I also don't think that written records would give a date as to when that articulation started, just when it was necessary to do so in a written form, possibly for an inventory or a sale of goods.
I cannot remember offhand where I read it, but it's probably in a book by Bill Bryson (hey, I'm a layman), but I believe some languages/dialects even now use terms based on either the singular, followed by the equivalent of 'some' followed by 'many'
In your OP you have letters being invented roughly 4,000 years later than numbers - that makes no sense at all as without expressing what the numbers mean, they are meaningless.
In the history of languages,
it was discovered that many cultures share the same words for
"one", "two", and "many"
but that numbers of accuracy greater than two seem to be a fairly recent invention.
And by recent they mean within 10,000 years or so.
And if,
as is suggested,
counting is so easy and natural,
please explain how the following sentence
lead to the Greco-Roman dominance of half the world for centuries.
"The shortest distance between two points is a straight line"
When that appears in Book 1 of Euclid's Elements,
but they don't get to number theory (counting) till Book 7.
Mike
Originally posted by uncommitted
I don't understand what you mean by 'invention of numbers' - you don't invent numbers, they just exist. I think what you mean is when did humans start articulating numerical values (as in there is one sheep, there is another, let's call that two sheep) that surely is a different thing. I also don't think that written records would give a date as to when that articulation started, just when it was necessary to do so in a written form, possibly for an inventory or a sale of goods.
I cannot remember offhand where I read it, but it's probably in a book by Bill Bryson (hey, I'm a layman), but I believe some languages/dialects even now use terms based on either the singular, followed by the equivalent of 'some' followed by 'many'
In your OP you have letters being invented roughly 4,000 years later than numbers - that makes no sense at all as without expressing what the numbers mean, they are meaningless.
In the history of languages,
it was discovered that many cultures share the same words for
"one", "two", and "many"
but that numbers of accuracy greater than two seem to be a fairly recent invention.
And by recent they mean within 10,000 years or so.
And if,
as is suggested,
counting is so easy and natural,
please explain how the following sentence
lead to the Greco-Roman dominance of half the world for centuries.
"The shortest distance between two points is a straight line"
When that appears in Book 1 of Euclid's Elements,
but they don't get to number theory (counting) till Book 7.
Mike
Because the quote is stunningly eloquent, what has that got to do with anything at all? Do you disagree at the shortest distance between 2 points (and I'm sorry, I always thought two was a number) is indeed a straight line? What point are you trying to make? I'm fairly sure though that particular observation did not on its own lead to the Greco Roman dominance.edit on 29-8-2013 by uncommitted because: layoutedit on 29-8-2013 by uncommitted because: (no reason given)
A tally stick, though
in no way shows the existence of numbers greater than "one", "two", and "many"
It only proves that people could compare sticks and say
"I have more many than you"
At one end of the Ishango Bone is a piece of quartz for writing, and the bone has a series of notches carved in groups (shown below). It was first thought these notches were some kind of tally marks as found to record counts all over the world. However, the Ishango bone appears to be much more than a simple tally. The markings on rows (a) and (b) each add to 60. Row (b) contains the prime numbers between 10 and 20. Row (a) is quite consistent with a numeration system based on 10, since the notches are grouped as 20 + 1, 20 - 1, 10 + 1, and 10 - 1. Finally, row (c) seems to illustrate for the method of duplication (multiplication by 2) used more recently in Egyptian multiplication. Recent studies with microscopes illustrate more markings and it is now understood the bone is also a lunar phase counter. Who but a woman keeping track of her cycles would need a lunar calendar? Were women our first mathematicians?
www.math.buffalo.edu...