Scientists confirm: Ancient Egyptians wore jewelry made of materials from outer space

reply to post by KILLERCODE


That's not quite right, is it? You aren't taking into account rate of production.
Following your logic, if the egyptians could some how quarry, move and place a stone every 4.2 minutes, then 100,000 men could produce 100,000 stones every 4.2 minutes.
Given that rate of production, 100,000 stones every say 5 minutes, then they could produce 1,200,000 stones every hour. (100,000x60/5). So by your math, the Egyptians SHOULD have been able to produce 2.4 million stones in just two hours! Damn that's hella productive!!!

Consider this:
Goal-
20 years, 100,000 men
2.5 million stones


Egyptian records indicate 172 men could move 60 tons of rock that equals 3 men to move 1 ton given per day.
3 men, 1 ton per day.

Most of the stones are roughly 2.5 tons so that's about 8 men per stone, per day.

Manpower to move 2.5 million stones weighing 2.5 tons each (2,500,000 stones x8 men) = 20,000,000 million men to do it all at once. Since we only had 100,000 men = 100,000 / 20,000,000 = 200. Thus, 100,000 men would have to repeat the the work 200 times to equal the manpower of 20 million men.

2,500,000 stones x 2.5 tons = 6,250,000 tons / 3 men per ton per day = 2,083,333 days.

2,500,000 / 8 men = 312,500 days to move 2.5 million stones.

100,000 men divided into 8 man teams = 12,500 teams

2,500,000 / 12,500 teams of 8 = 200 days to move 2.5 million stones weighing 2.5 tons each.

Given that 12,500 teams composed of 8 men can move 2,500,000 stones weighing 2.5 tones each, and the Ancient Egyptians had over 7,500 days to accomplish this task seems, not so difficult after all.

Further:
Half that rate, and they could do it in 400 days.

Take 50,000 men, and they are quarrying stones.
Since, at a minimum, using ancient techniques, it takes 2 men to cut a stone, lets see how much time they REALLY had to quarry stones with a workforce of 50,000.

365 days x 20 years = 7300 days
2.5 million stones / 7300 days = 342 stones per day.
If just 2 men could cut one stone each day, that'd be a productivity rate of 25,000 stones a day. WELL over the requirement. 25,000 teams of 2 / 2.5 million stones = 100. Each team would only have to produce 100 stones TOTAL.

100 / 7300 days = 73 days per stone per team.

More likely, maybe they had teams of 10 men? 5,000 teams of 10 guys.
These teams would have to produce a grand total of 500 stones in 20 years. 500/7300 days = 14.6 days per stone per team.
Basically two weeks per stone per team add up to 2.5 million stones over a 20 year period.

In closing, it certainly is within the realm of possibility that 100,000 men built the pyramid over a 20 year span.

Originally posted by HauntWok
I so loathe the "ancient aliens" BS.

These people seem to think that ancient humans were completely retarded (in the literal sense of the word) and couldn't wipe their own behinds without help from some outer space cthulhu.

1) it's not that hard to cut limestone. It's a pretty soft stone after all.

2) it's not that hard to stack blocks one on top of another.

3) Yep, I completely buy that they would find an iron meteorite, heat it up crack it up, then make jewelry out of it. Wouldn't take a huge leap of thought to do that.

Humans are pretty smart, we have come up with some ingenious things throughout our time on this planet. There's no need for outer space people to come down and show us everything step by step.

An excellent point.

Keep in mind, even [some of] the most ardent AA supporters have altered their/our perception that the Ancient Astronauts need not necessarily be an 'alternate advanced civilization from the depths of space', rather our ancestors that were more advanced at a different time on this planet.

I remember watching a series called Krakatoa east of java ring of fire. One small island had a huge meteorite they cut bits off to make knives and daggers with wavey blades. Put designs on with their lips I kid you not.

Do you really think Aliens would travel lightyears across the galaxy to visit earth for whatever reason, then spend 20 whole years building a stone structure, on sand.

reply to post by HauntWok


well seeing as sandstone is so easy to cut, thankfully they didnt think to make pizza's out of it, and use the iron from the meteorite as topping,,,, well that was prob because they were too busy throwing 100 ton sandstone blocks up to each other, oops almost dropped one there... mind yer head!

Originally posted by HauntWok
I so loathe the "ancient aliens" BS.

These people seem to think that ancient humans were completely retarded (in the literal sense of the word) and couldn't wipe their own behinds without help from some outer space cthulhu.

1) it's not that hard to cut limestone. It's a pretty soft stone after all.

2) it's not that hard to stack blocks one on top of another.

3) Yep, I completely buy that they would find an iron meteorite, heat it up crack it up, then make jewelry out of it. Wouldn't take a huge leap of thought to do that.

Humans are pretty smart, we have come up with some ingenious things throughout our time on this planet. There's no need for outer space people to come down and show us everything step by step.

How did ancient people cut granite rock with hand tools???
The simple fact is people back then had technology around our level or even greater.

Originally posted by SKUNK2

Originally posted by HauntWok
I so loathe the "ancient aliens" BS.

These people seem to think that ancient humans were completely retarded (in the literal sense of the word) and couldn't wipe their own behinds without help from some outer space cthulhu.

1) it's not that hard to cut limestone. It's a pretty soft stone after all.

2) it's not that hard to stack blocks one on top of another.

3) Yep, I completely buy that they would find an iron meteorite, heat it up crack it up, then make jewelry out of it. Wouldn't take a huge leap of thought to do that.

Humans are pretty smart, we have come up with some ingenious things throughout our time on this planet. There's no need for outer space people to come down and show us everything step by step.

How did ancient people cut granite rock with hand tools???
The simple fact is people back then had technology around our level or even greater.

edit on 23-8-2013 by SKUNK2 because: (no reason given)

I know, right?

We are all familiar with that hieroglyph showing how they used a diamond mining saw that was 100ft long.

Oh. Wait.....

Someone should remind those 'scientists':

Everything on the Earth came from outer space, why even the Earth itself is actually in outer space.

Originally posted by HauntWok
I so loathe the "ancient aliens" BS.

These people seem to think that ancient humans were completely retarded (in the literal sense of the word) and couldn't wipe their own behinds without help from some outer space cthulhu.

1) it's not that hard to cut limestone. It's a pretty soft stone after all.

2) it's not that hard to stack blocks one on top of another.

3) Yep, I completely buy that they would find an iron meteorite, heat it up crack it up, then make jewelry out of it. Wouldn't take a huge leap of thought to do that.

Humans are pretty smart, we have come up with some ingenious things throughout our time on this planet. There's no need for outer space people to come down and show us everything step by step.

To state the pyramids were simply made of blocks just stacked on one another with the precision they are, is demeaning in and of itself. The blocks of the pyramid of Cheops weigh an average of two and a half tons each and total 6 million tons. Many of the blocks weigh much more than that. And considering the accuracy and precision that each was cut and then placed, is something our technology would have a difficult time duplicating. So yeah looking at alternatives to how this was achieved is a reasonable endeavor.

Originally posted by HauntWok


1) it's not that hard to cut limestone. It's a pretty soft stone after all.

Really... And exactly how do you cut this stone to the micrometer accuracy???

DO MORE RESEARCH DUDE!!

2) it's not that hard to stack blocks one on top of another.

Really?? Try lifting 200 tone stones into place 30 meters in the air without any mechanized device.... Even today it takes two weeks of planning to move such a weight...

3) Yep, I completely buy that they would find an iron meteorite, heat it up crack it up, then make jewelry out of it. Wouldn't take a huge leap of thought to do that.

Not unfeasible.... but this evidence on top of the incredible feats of engineering and this evidence points to something more...

Humans are pretty smart, we have come up with some ingenious things throughout our time on this planet. There's no need for outer space people to come down and show us everything step by step.

No one is saying that humans are not smart... they were just as smart in 4000bc.... what the people question is the knowledge... those ancient people had intelligence but intelligence without knowledge...

Yet they were able to do things that we cannot replicate today, even with all out technology.... we are just as smart today as back then so how were they able to do things we cannot?

Korg.

Originally posted by HauntWok
I so loathe the "ancient aliens" BS.

These people seem to think that ancient humans were completely retarded (in the literal sense of the word) and couldn't wipe their own behinds without help from some outer space cthulhu.

1) it's not that hard to cut limestone. It's a pretty soft stone after all.

2) it's not that hard to stack blocks one on top of another.

3) Yep, I completely buy that they would find an iron meteorite, heat it up crack it up, then make jewelry out of it. Wouldn't take a huge leap of thought to do that.

Humans are pretty smart, we have come up with some ingenious things throughout our time on this planet. There's no need for outer space people to come down and show us everything step by step.

and we definitely should ignore all their first hand, detailed accounts to the contrary or their architectural feats that would be extremely difficult to accomplish with our own technology. never, ever believe a word they say, such as that kukulkan was a blond, blue-eyed, very tall conehead who came from the skies and taught the mayans their superb astronomical abilities--with similar stories discovered over and over and over around the globe. take india's vimanas (saucers) and and weapons used by their occupants that boiled rivers and vitrified the earth (and, yes, we have found vitrified earth in the vicinity). they sure were adept at stacking railroad car-sized rectangular slabs down in south america, which our largest cranes would struggle with today, and then there are those huge stone constructions protruding from the middle of the ocean. could go on and on, but what the hey!

Originally posted by zeeon
reply to post by KILLERCODE

 

That's not quite right, is it? You aren't taking into account rate of production.
Following your logic, if the egyptians could some how quarry, move and place a stone every 4.2 minutes, then 100,000 men could produce 100,000 stones every 4.2 minutes.
Given that rate of production, 100,000 stones every say 5 minutes, then they could produce 1,200,000 stones every hour. (100,000x60/5). So by your math, the Egyptians SHOULD have been able to produce 2.4 million stones in just two hours! Damn that's hella productive!!!

Consider this:
Goal-
20 years, 100,000 men
2.5 million stones


Egyptian records indicate 172 men could move 60 tons of rock that equals 3 men to move 1 ton given per day.
3 men, 1 ton per day.

Most of the stones are roughly 2.5 tons so that's about 8 men per stone, per day.

Manpower to move 2.5 million stones weighing 2.5 tons each (2,500,000 stones x8 men) = 20,000,000 million men to do it all at once. Since we only had 100,000 men = 100,000 / 20,000,000 = 200. Thus, 100,000 men would have to repeat the the work 200 times to equal the manpower of 20 million men.

2,500,000 stones x 2.5 tons = 6,250,000 tons / 3 men per ton per day = 2,083,333 days.

2,500,000 / 8 men = 312,500 days to move 2.5 million stones.

100,000 men divided into 8 man teams = 12,500 teams

2,500,000 / 12,500 teams of 8 = 200 days to move 2.5 million stones weighing 2.5 tons each.

Given that 12,500 teams composed of 8 men can move 2,500,000 stones weighing 2.5 tones each, and the Ancient Egyptians had over 7,500 days to accomplish this task seems, not so difficult after all.

Further:
Half that rate, and they could do it in 400 days.

Take 50,000 men, and they are quarrying stones.
Since, at a minimum, using ancient techniques, it takes 2 men to cut a stone, lets see how much time they REALLY had to quarry stones with a workforce of 50,000.

365 days x 20 years = 7300 days
2.5 million stones / 7300 days = 342 stones per day.
If just 2 men could cut one stone each day, that'd be a productivity rate of 25,000 stones a day. WELL over the requirement. 25,000 teams of 2 / 2.5 million stones = 100. Each team would only have to produce 100 stones TOTAL.

100 / 7300 days = 73 days per stone per team.

More likely, maybe they had teams of 10 men? 5,000 teams of 10 guys.
These teams would have to produce a grand total of 500 stones in 20 years. 500/7300 days = 14.6 days per stone per team.
Basically two weeks per stone per team add up to 2.5 million stones over a 20 year period.

In closing, it certainly is within the realm of possibility that 100,000 men built the pyramid over a 20 year span.

The heaviest stone in the great pyramid was 70 tons they were used for the king's chamber and not to mention they had to be brought so many km to the pyramid and then actually stacked 481 feet high and the precision at which they were built is outstanding they are directly a lined with orion's belt and not to mention that archaeologist didn't find burn marks inside the pyramid which would come from burning stick for light so if they didn't use fire as a source of light what did they use and why did civilizations around the world that had no contact build pyramids.

Originally posted by theconspirator
Do you really think Aliens would travel lightyears across the galaxy to visit earth for whatever reason, then spend 20 whole years building a stone structure, on sand.

Seems reasonable enough in our terms, but 20 years could be just an extended expiration for them, since even some biblical terms have certain Adamesque personalities living to near a millenium, never mind aliens. In any case the building in stone is generally considered by AA fans to be a mimic of AA technology. The Pyramids are built on a bedrock BTW, and even the bedrock was dug into to make waterways. Interesting stuff.

2) it's not that hard to stack blocks one on top of another.

reply to post by HauntWok


Blocks used in building the pyramids weighed from 9 tons to 80 tons! I would like to see you move, let alone stack those babies 1 story to 44 stories high! To put it in perspective, a car ways on average of 1 ton. I've seen 10 guys having a difficult time just trying to flip a car onto its side. Now multiply that by 9. Were not even talking about lifting it over their heads.

Originally posted by theconspirator
Do you really think Aliens would travel lightyears across the galaxy to visit earth for whatever reason, then spend 20 whole years building a stone structure, on sand.

There is water damage on the Sphinx , and I thought I heard that there is also water damage on the Pyramids (I could be wrong about that.) Giza wasn't always a desert.

reply to post by VeritasAequitas

I can well imagine that ETs coming to colonize/civilize early earthlings would bring a nice chunky, iron asteroid/meteor with them as a get-acquainted gift. It would be a snap for them to pick one upon on the way in or better yet, push one down to the right spot, perhaps, in front of an early leader. Presto! Instant attention. A different manna from heaven you could say.

I posted this over here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

About how Andean cultures used plants to soften stone.
Yet no one seems to take this into considerationn

reply to post by VeritasAequitas


S&F!. Thank you for sharing.

This world holds so much mysteries. Nice to see that there are scientists out there who think outside the box.

Where else would it come from?
Now if they found the stuff inside a cracker jack box back in that time, that alone would be more shocking.

It is ironic that every reply to the natural expansion of materials, with cheap disposable labor, happens with cheap tech that is exactly the same thing. The Chinese labor market is not aliens, just a hard life for those that have to supply toys to the better fed. Making big stuff for the rulers is not a new thing, aliens? Please, look at your toys, and engineers, and political bloodlines. Of course, the base of this includes everyone, once the money, and the resources dwindle, then it narrows down to lies, and history. Pyramids, please, that is just people, it is not like the wheel, and chemistry, and large labor forces, including elephants, are anything new. Not that I agree with that business model, my people, the ones left, do not like being slaves in the factories that produce these arguments.