People trade freedom for security as they trade hate for peace. They FORCE peace and love on others.

Most people who are against "The powers that be" and for freedom understands this quote:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin

Yet, understanding this and criticizing the majority for being "sheeple" and living in "fear" willing to give away their freedom of security - some of these critics do the same thing when it comes to natural emotions like hate and anger.

They talk about how everything should be "love" and "peace" and we should be one with "God" or in "The Light" all of the time.

They are willing to trade away emotional freedom for comfort.
They are willing to give up desire for comfort.
They are willing to go into self-denial for comfort.

Running away from desire and emotion because it is "scary" to see what "bad" stuff can arise from it and therefore only staying in "Love and Peace" for comfort, are no different than those people running away from freedom to stay in the comfort of their "security".

Those who wish everyone to live in a state of "Oneness", "Peace", "Love", "Harmony", and "Co-operation" are no different than those people we deem evil in society for forcing their will upon us.

In summary, I am saying you have the right to choose to live in Hate and Anger if you so choose and anyone who tries to force you to live in Love and Peace is just as aggressive as anyone else trying to force their way of living on to you.

I think someone's found the basic sith v's jedi conundrum that both sides are equal at the extremes as they are as bad as each other and its finding that middle point

reply to post by Maxatoria


I'm not talking about neutrality here, and I do not like neutrality because from what I've seen it is sort of being "numb" to everything - being detached. There will be many that agree with me and many that don't.

I'm simply saying that whether a person is forcing love and peace or forcing hatred and stress on to others, it is still imposing on another person's will - so yes, they are both "aggressive".

I find it hypocritical to call someone ignorant for trading away their freedom for security while at the same time trying to force everyone to live in love sacrificing their emotion freedom for emotional security...

but again, even this is just my point of view and many will agree or disagree.

This is the nature of existence. It is duality, difference, and change that keeps it going on and on...

otherwise it would stagnate.

There is no light without darkness. Life continues because there are challenges to overcome, but without th e challenges there would be no life.

The challenge of survival brings the necessity of food, water, and shelter.
The challenge of freedom brings the necessity of being honest by speaking up for yourself.
and so on...

reply to post by arpgme


It is the act of *forcing* your belief system on to others, regardless of what it is, that makes an act immoral. We must allow others the freedom to believe and learn from the situation or reality they have created for themselves. Only when someone opens the door to us by asking for help or advice to we have the right to share our beliefs and ideas with others in an overt manner.

This does not mean that we cannot write or express our opinions in other ways. It also doesn't mean that we can't live our own lives as an example to others.

Your point is an excellent one and may fly over the heads of some here.

reply to post by Metallicus


Yes, I agree with you but there is one part that I slightly disagree with:

"Only when someone opens the door to us by asking for help or advice to we have the right to share our beliefs and ideas with others in an overt manner. "

I don't think you need to gain a "right" to share your perspective of truth with anyone. You have the right to talk about your perspective of truth and if others don't like it they are free to stay away from you. Now if you keep following them forcing them to hear your views when they already walked away, that is imposing on their free-will and that is harassment...

But you have the right to say what your perspective of the truth is, you don't need a permission slip.