Final conclusions on UFOs and Aliens.

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What i have learned about billy mieir fans, is they are fanatical
about the case. It does not matter what evidence you post that
it is a hoax, they just dont listen.

Mieir is a cult leader, and with all cult leaders, will easily brainwash
the gullible. He has been doing it for years.

And before you say "your a debumker and skeptic" read my post history.


Billy is a proven hoaxer. His videos and photos are some of the worst
i have ever seen. Its people like him that make the ufo subject a joke!

Let us put aside Billy Meier and hear what others have to say about the UFO phenomenon way back in the 1970s.

One such interesting guy is Thomas E Bearden

Now certainly this is published on a UFOlogy website but I have dug up something that is hosted on a military information site.

A Mind/Brain/Matter Model Consistent with Quantum Physics and UFO Phenomenao

I have been researching on Neutrinos for some time and had posted all about on another thread.

Now I have come across this..on neutrinos from the above document

There are already two kinds of reality in physics -- virtual and observable. The so-called "observable world of changes" is composed of standard-sized bricks, so to speak. If one examines a brick which is a little smaller, one finds that the small brick "disappears" in so far as instruments and detection are concerned, but the small brick is still quite "real" and useful even though it cannot be detected even in theory. Almost all particle interactions are by means of virtual particles or virtual photons. E.g., virtual photons continually given off and absorbed by an electron are what creates the electric charge of the electron. If these virtual photons are destroyed or quenched 5 , the electron is converted to a neutrino, which zips off into deep space without interaction. In this way, electrical currents in electronic systems or human nervous systems may be partially or fully quenched, without permanent damage ,o the system. In particle physics, many virtual particles decay into real particles, in fact, :into almost any type of real, observable particle known. Little modern physics would be left without real, interactable "pieces of nothing," -- virtual state entities.

Guys this subject has been in research since the 1970s and I started working on it in the late 1980s and shared my knowledge with major american universities then. That is about 30-40 years from now.

So if I see some amazing spacecrafts called UFOs flying out of Area51 or other places around the planet, I would not be surprised if they belong to us.

My point is the Alien UFO hypothesis is encouraged so that we do not investigate thoroughly the real story.

However, many have done that and then been eventually linked to UFOlogy. This has nothing to do with UFOs or Billy Meier or Greys.

That is a separate issue all together that requires far more ingenious scrutiny than just pictures and videos.

Also some evidence possibly for developing anti-gravity device. You will have to search through the following document for the keyword "gravity".

Neutrino Document

the gravity and neutrino torques have I similar shapes vs. time but opposite sign.

The signal shape for the neutrino I torque is similar but of opposite sign to that of the gravitational torque. The gravity is attractive and the neutrino radiation pressure is repulsive.

The signal for G + N is 80,000 times as large as the gravity ripple.

What do these notes indicate? That there is some co-relation of gravity to neutrinos and if we understand how to control neutrinos, we should be able to control gravity. This report was published in 1989 around the same time I was experimenting on Gravitational Electrical Effects and Neutrinos.

We are now in 2013. 24 years since this report was published. That is a pretty long time to get from the drawing board to something more physical considering the advances we have made in these 24 years.

Other anti-gravity inquisitions. This one was conducted in the 1950s

Townsend Brown and His Anti-Gravity DiscsFats __ pp 40-46, 1956.

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Here is another interesting document.

Survey of Long-Term Technology Forecasting Methodologies

This document has a To-Do list. I am highlighting the ones that caught my attention.

1. S.U. orbital rendezvous
2. U.S. orbital rendezvous
3. Increased use of near-earth satellites for weather prediction and control
4. Unmanned inspection and capability for destruction of satellites
5. S.U. manned lunar fly-by
6. Establishment of a global satellite communication system
7. U.S. manned lunar fly-by
8. Manned lunar landing and return
9. Rescue of astronauts stranded in orbit
10. Operational readiness of laser for space communications
11. Manned co-orbital inspection of satellites
12. Manned scientific orbital station – 10 men
13. Development of reusable booster launch vehicle
14. Solid core nuclear reactor propulsion
15. ionic propulsion (nuclear-generator powered)
16. Temporary lunar base (2 men, 1 month)
17. Development of reusable maneuverable orbiting spacecraft
18. Manned Mars and Venus fly-by
19. Reexecution of critical experiments in deep space (Michelson-Morely, speed of light, equality of gravitational and inertial mass, and so forth)
20. Permanent base established on the Moon (10 men, indefinite stay)
21. Manufacturing of atmospheres suitable for human beings on the Moon or planets (no implication of surrounding entire Moon or planet with atmosphere is intended)
22. Deep space laboratories and observatories for high-vacuum, zero-g, and space research
23. Earth weather control: having a highly reliable ability to cause precipitation from certain types of clouds
24. Manned landing on Mars and return
25. Probes (small instrumented unmanned payloads out of the solar system
26. Manufacturing of propellants and raw materials on the Moon
27. Establishment of permanent research stations on near planets
28. Commercial global ballistic transport (including boost-glide techniques)
29. Establishment of permanent Mars’ base (10 men for an indefinite period)
30. Manned landing on Jupiter’s moons
31. Pluto fly-by
32. Inter-galactic communication
33. Long-duration coma to permit form of time travel
34. Manned multi-generation mission to other solar systems
35. Extra-terrestrial farming
36. Regularly scheduled commercial traffic to lunar colony
37. Communication with extra-terrestrials
38. Competition for planetary raw materials
39. Non-rocket space drive—anti-gravity
40. Manned Venus landing
41. Manned maneuverable geocentric bombardment fleet
42. Space hydrogen ram jet
43. Military force on the Moon
44. Sweeping up Earth-trapped radiation zones
45. Pulsed nuclear propulsion
46. Lunar-based laser beam for use on space vehicle propulsion
47. Heliocentric strategic fleet
48. Radiation immunization (through pills or other means)

As the above list is in order of priority, this indicates that we are planning for Time Travel and Anti-Gravity before we have military force on the moon or hydrogen ram jet engines.

What does this indicate?

Another interesting list from the same source.

1. Economically useful desalination of sea water
2. Effective fertility control by oral contraceptive or other simple and inexpensive means
3. Development of new synthetic materials for ultra-light construction
4. Automated language translators
5. New organs through transplanting or prosthesis
6. Reliable weather forecasts
7. Operation of a central data storage facility with wide access for general or specialized information retrieval
8. Reformation of physical theory, eliminating confusion in quantum-relativity and simplifying particle theory
9. Implanted artificial organs made of plastic and electronic components
10. Widespread and socially widely accepted use of nonnarcotic drugs (other than alcohol) for producing specific changes in personality characteristics
11. Simulated emission (“lasers”) in X and Gamma ray region of the spectrum
12. Controlled thermo-nuclear power
13. Creation of a primitive form of artificial life (at least in the form of self-replicating molecules
14. Economically useful exploitation of the ocean bottom through mining (other than off-shore drilling)
15. Feasibility of limited weather control, in the sense of substantially affecting regional weather at acceptable cost
16. Economic feasibility of commercial generation of synthetic protein for food
17. Increase by an order of magnitude in the relative number of psychotic cases amenable to physical or chemical therapy
18. Biochemical general immunization against bacterial and viral diseases
19. Feasibility (not necessarily acceptance) of chemical control over some heredity defects by modification of genes through molecular engineering
20. Economically useful exploitation of the ocean through farming, with the effect of producing at least 20% of the world’s food.
21. Biochemicals to stimulate growth of new organs and limbs
22. Feasibility of using drugs to raise the level of intelligence (other than as dietary supplements and not in the sense of just temporarily raising the level of apperception)
23. Man-machine symbiosis, enabling man to extend his intelligence by direct electromechanical interaction between his brain and a computing machine
24. Chemical control of the aging process, permitting extension of life span by 50 years
25. Breeding of intelligent animals (apes, cetaceans, and so forth) for low-grade labor
26. Two-way communication with extra-terrestrials
27. Economic feasibility of commercial manufacture of many chemical elements from subatomic building blocks
28. Control of gravity through some form of modification of the gravitational field
29. Feasibility of education by direct information recording on the brain
30. Long-duration coma to permit a form of time travel
31. Use of telepathy and ESP in communications

This following document was published in 1972

Potential impacts of cultural change in the navy in the 1970s

Here are some of the weapons that was conceptualized back then.

1. Weather Control
2. Submarines
3. Aerospace planes
4. Lasers
5. Surface Effect Ships
6. Robots
7. Holography
8. Anti-Matter Devices
9. Gravity Control
10. Doomsday Machine

Here is what the navy has to say on anti-gravity and that too in 2011

The Maneuver Program develops advanced technologies to increase the capabilities and effectiveness of the Marine Corps Air Ground Task Force (MAGTF) and aids in the execution of the Global War on Terrorism. Innovative technologies are pursued that address the entire fleet of USMC ground assetsin the areas of survivability, mobility, fuel efficiency and unmanned systems. Specifically, there is interest in technologies in the following areas: (1) advanced power plants, power generation & distribution, (2) advanced drive trains, suspensions, and vehicle stability technologies, (3) advanced materials and survivability technology to enhance the performance and survivability of tactical and combat vehicles, (4) advanced autonomous robotic technologies and systems, and (5) other far-reaching innovative concepts or technologies that would lead to leap-ahead gains in survivability or mobility of USMC ground assets or dismounted Marines (e.g., anti-gravity, force fields, cloaking
devices).

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I think you are misinterpreting the neutrino paper. They have tried to measure neutrino radiation pressure. Radiation pressure is a well known phenomenon and not related to gravity.

They also are talking about some very tentative results, claim to have measured something but couldn't exclude other possible sources (x-ray, gamma, neutrons, ...).

I might not be misinterpreting. I agree the paper is not about anti-gravity or any such stuff but merely ways to measure neutrinos. But they are pointing out certain facts on the paper that substantiates some of my theories on neutrinos and Gravity.

And you should read this paper in context of the other paper I have mentioned Thomas E Bearden who theories about propulsion of UFOs and mentions in some detail about neutrinos.

Let us not go into the scientific merits here. What has been written many years ago may not be accurate today.

But I just wanted to point out that there were people working on these concepts in the 1970s and I researched on neutrino propulsion in the 1980s.

So it is quite possible that we have achieved breakthrough in these technologies but one that we are not aware of and we end up assuming that these are of Alien origin.

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Final conclusion and yet we very little understanding of our visitors, or whats being seen in the skies at night. Let alone how they work.

I agree with no. 2.

2. There are two types of UFOs. One type of UFO is clearly Alien in origin and another clearly terrestrial. The saucer shaped UFOs are primarily Alien in origin as they have appeared in pictures even in the bible. The other types of UFOs such as triangular, cylindrical, etc are of terrestrial origin notably the result of black budget projects.

Maybe interstellar and extra-dimensional, or some top secret military craft.

For all we know we could be visited by a race of super saiyans who are made up of hydrogen vs. a race of carbon based albinos.


Also using those as sources, makes you quite a target in threads like these.

Originally posted by Druscilla
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Citing Whitley Streiber and/or Billy Meier as sources to base a conclusion on the UFO phenomenon is like using The Ren and Stimpy cartoon, and Southpark as basis for conclusion on real world global politics.

Neither of them actually have anything to do with the UFO phenomenon except in using the phenomenon as means to exploit others willingness to believe in something for their own personal profit.

It is quite possible that people like Billy Meier were contactees initially but their credibility was destroyed by the aliens themselves. The aliens would have their own reasons for doing this. Perhaps the contactee did not bear fruit or perhaps they want people to ridicule and doubt the ufo phenomena (this way they control the level of belief in them; they want some to believe but not all). They themselves manage the world's belief level by discrediting themselves.

In the 90s books were published on Jesus' bloodline (The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail). For a while there was a sensation but then the main character, Plantard, admitted the whole thing was made up. What was the purpose of this? To attract people to secret societies. Once this was accomplished the campaign was abandoned - it had served its purpose. This is how you advertise for new recruits for a secret society - create a myth to attract attention and then dismantle it.

Likewise with some contactees. A myth is created around them to attract attention and then the myth is destroyed by destroying the contactee's credibility. All of this is concerned with mythmaking, propaganda and psychological manipulation for purposes that are, to us, obscure.

Most people on this planet are already victims of a hoax perpetuated for centuries.

It is called religion. What difference a few Billy Meier's can make?

Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by 0pass

 

Citing Whitley Streiber and/or Billy Meier as sources to base a conclusion on the UFO phenomenon is like using The Ren and Stimpy cartoon, and Southpark as basis for conclusion on real world global politics.

Neither of them actually have anything to do with the UFO phenomenon except in using the phenomenon as means to exploit others willingness to believe in something for their own personal profit.

Very well articulated. My opinion is based on a large number of people seeing a ufo when I was teenager. I would go on to have several more sightings throughout my life. I don't even begin to presume what these things were and do not claim anything else. My hope is someday we will have proof and know what they are.

I do have a question where did you get that dope avatar, or where did everyone else get them.

The Bot

Originally posted by 0pass
1. The UFO phenomenon is real. [...]

Yeah, in the respect that there are objects flying around that people can't identify.

2. There are two types of UFOs. [...]

Actually, there is only one. "Unidentified."

3. The real Aliens are peaceful spiritual entities who have been protecting us over the years by engaging with people like Billy Meier and then there are fake Aliens such as the Greys and reptilians that engage in abductions primarily to create fear about Aliens among us humans and dissuade credible researchers such as Whitley from pursuing their research. [...]

As far as anyone has been able to prove so far, there are no real aliens.

4. We have clearly the technology to travel to the stars such as Hyperspace propulsion (as is evidenced in the above video on some scientists talking about it in 1978) and other electromagnetic propulsion systems. [...]

Maybe. But that doesn't equate to the reality of aliens, or that UFOs are somehow associated with them.

5. The owners of the terrestrial advanced technologies here on earth do not want us to believe in UFOs or Aliens so that they can be the only masters of this technology and profit from it as well as maintain their power over everyone here on earth. [...]

Well, they've done a lousy job of that, since I would say that most people believe in aliens, even without a shred of proof.

6. The Aliens are not some odd looking creatures but those that look like us in many respects as has been evidenced in many credible UFO sightings such as in the case of Billy Meier and others. [...]

How "alien" can they be if they look like us?

7. More and more people are coming out with the truth [...]

I think that as time goes by and nothing new is learned, more and more people are realizing the truth that "aliens from space" was an interesting 20th Century fantasy and theory that was never shown to logically pan out. People gradually came to realize that it all had to be placed into a realistic context of what we know and what we can know about reality.

Originally posted by zedy63
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even when there is undeniable proof of ufos and aliens even if they landed here you will still get people who will try debunking it lol

Prove it. There's only one way to prove your theory, and that's to have an open, highly publicized landing by aliens. So go ahead. Let's see.

Oh, what? It hasn't happened yet? Well, there's your problem right there. It hasn't happened, and it remains highly unlikely that it ever will. So who is more worthy of a "lol?" Those who already believe without an iota of proof, or those who withhold judgment until that proof shows up (if ever)?

Originally posted by SecretKnowledge

Originally posted by 0pass

Originally posted by Strewth
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1. The Wandjina Aboriginal Elders in the Kimberley Region of Western Australia.........they have ongoing encounters and a massive history pertaining to this phenomena.

2. Courtlandt Dixon Barnes Bryan.

Are you serious? This Dixon has just written one book on UFOs and you are referring to some tribals in australia as the gurus on Ufology? Hi

some tribals in Australia would be a more believable source for ufo lore than billy meir any day.
are you serious?

and it doesn't matter how many books one's written, bull# is just that

So what do the tribals have to say about aliens?

reply to post by 0pass

Originally posted by zedy63 reply to post by Jay-morris

even when there is undeniable proof of ufos and aliens even if they landed here you will still get people who will try debunking it lol

Did you even read what i said! Its funny that if someone does nort agree with you, then that means they are a debunker or skeptic. I have been into the ufo subject for years, and believe that there are some great cases out there that to me, tells me that something odd is flying in our air-space.

Could it be ET? It very well could be, but it could be a number of things. We just dont know for sure, and what people say is just speculation, thats it!

Now, you lost alot of people on here when you brought up billy Meier, who is a known hoaxer. Not just a hoaxer, but a bad hoaxer. And another thing i find with meier believers. They tend to hink the same. If anyone disagrees with them, then they are an evil debunker!

Its people like meier that that make this subject a joke, which sa shame because there are some great cases out there, but some people would rather focus on this crap!

But like i said before. Meier is a cult leader that attracts the gullible, like any cult leader, and im thinking your the type of person that would believe anything.

The day people like you open your eyes, and dont be so open that your brain falls out, will be the day that we can finally look at the ufo subject the way its supposed to be looked at. But the sad fact is, there are alot of people like you out there, so there will always be a billy meier

To reach ANY conclusion w/little or zero experience on any subject can only lead to at least partially incorrect conclusions at best.

A picture is in deed "worth a thousand words", & a single experience in this field of research, (let alone some who have much much more than that) is worth more (to me) than a lifetime of mere intellectual explorations of the subject, no matter how impartial, or expansive.

I know very little, but i do know that conclusions will always be challenged severely & unceremoniously, given time, truly (not "believer" OR "skeptic"-this is an unreal division, that exists soley to make the subject more conveniently digestable to those of varying agendas &/or belief systems) non pre-conceptualized explorations, & furthur experience.