The mind-blowing game-changer you can't unsee.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


He really compared it to a campfire????? So I was right he has absolutely no working knowledge about solar mechanics. And I already showed a couple pages ago that the dark spouts are defects in the lenses as well as the rings. That's why I ignored him. People who have no experience with solar mechanics and imaging, yet adamantly stick to this theory obviously have an agenda or an unwavering present conceived notion. I also find it strange that the OP has dissapeared and this new guy is violently saying the same stuff the OP did.

reply to post by WhiteHat


The artifact is always there, you can even see it when you think it's gone. The changes in luminosity create the optical illusion of a dissapearing act.

So we have two sets of artifacts, on two satellite's lenses, looking like concentric doughnuts? Really?
How about these?

Stereo A


Stereo B


They are not in the same place, of course, and the distance between them is not the same, but we are talking here about two satellites in two different position.
Can we agree at least that they are very similar, and therefore suspicious?

reply to post by WhiteHat


No, we can't. I've already linked the articles from the steep program that show both cameras have the defects. The fact they are in different positions only further reinforces that fact.

Allright, after reading the thread in its entirety it has all become painfully clear that

1. They are 100% proven artifacts.

2. The OPs view what the 'corona' is, is infact artifacts. The Corona is hidden behind the black disc, and only sometimes can it be hinted that its there. The black/green/black dots/nail shaped things ARE JUST ARTIFACTS

3. The barrel-roll gif CLEARLY shows that the Sun behind the black disc is STATIONARY. This can be proven looking at the luminosity and flares coming from the sun. The artifacts and the OPs version of what the 'corona' is - all moves with the barrel-roll. Thus proving to undeniable extent that it is all just artifacts.

4. peacefulpete is obviously a troll, due to his worse than terrible analogy to a campfire. Seriously, bro?


raymundoko I must applaud you for your calm nature even when overrun by people with logical fallasies unwilling or uncapable of seeing the painfully obvious truth about the whole thing.

Thank you sir.


And finally to the OP
hey, dont be sad that you were wrong. Youve led us all on a great adventure with this thread. But this is the end of this thread now.

Originally posted by raymundoko
reply to post by WhiteHat

 

The artifact is always there, you can even see it when you think it's gone. The changes in luminosity create the optical illusion of a disapearing act.

Even when they are partially lighted, or the light seems to be from behind? Is that flare so strong that will reflect on a lens' artifact here, next to earth?

Here is a .gif with an artifact, where as you can see, the flare's light has no influence on artifact visibility at all; it's light is sometimes stronger, but it never goes in the dark.



Please feel free to do it any resolution you want, you'll see is the same.
And now check out this again:



Can you see the difference?

But after all, you know, we can go on like this forever; we all see what we want to see, if we want to see.
At this point I think I'll let other members to decide what are we seeing here.
Just remember that if me seeing something doesn't convince you, you not seeing something can't be used as an argument either.

Originally posted by WhiteHat

The artifact is always there, you can even see it when you think it's gone. The changes in luminosity create the optical illusion of a disapearing act.

Even when they are partially lighted, or the light seems to be from behind? Is that flare so strong that will reflect on a lens' artifact here, next to earth?

Uhm.. another completely illogical argument. If everything else is shown in the camera (or "next to earth" as you put it) why wouldnt it also show in the artifacts.

If you take a windshield and put it in front of the camera - and a tiny stoneshot hits the windshield making an artifact effect - everything seen through the camera and windshield will also be seen in the artifact

this is exactly what is happening here. So of course any change in whatever is in the image will also be seen in the artifact

reply to post by alienDNA


A better example would be finger smudges on a windshield. On a cloudy day you wouldn't notice it, on a sunny day it irrittaes the crap out of you.

reply to post by alienDNA


I'd say to give me a break with " imagine this" and look again at the images; you have two .gifs for comparison in my above post, one is an artifact the other is our discussion subject, and tell me they behave the same.
Tell me you don't see the difference. Then I'll probably go and jump off the window

Originally posted by raymundoko
reply to post by alienDNA

 

A better example would be finger smudges on a windshield. On a cloudy day you wouldn't notice it, on a sunny day it irrittaes the crap out of you.

So, two smudges, on two satellites, looking suspiciously similar? Anything will do, I guess

reply to post by WhiteHat


Again, it never dissapeares in your second gif. You are just falling for the optical illusion. Look at the top side of the artifact, you can always seen the outline even when the entire thing is not visible. The differences in the artifacts were already explained in a previous post with links to the program explanation which included images.

reply to post by WhiteHat


A finger smudge is a finger smudge. If one is on the left of your windshield and one is on the right, they will look the same but be in different locations

reply to post by WhiteHat


I was just answering your illogical question whether or not a solar flare would relfect on the lenses artifact or not. My answer to that was of course it will, and i just illustrated that with a very basic example.

Ive watched your gif and they clearly show the OPPOSITE of what you see. I think the luminosity clearly determins wether or not the artifact is visible or not.

Just as a smudge on the windshield as raymond talked about

reply to post by WhiteHat


ANY external damage would cause almost identical artifacts IN THAT PARTICULAR lens, due to the nature of that lens.

Since the damage of lets say a stoneshot is so extremely close to the lens, the lens will interpret that distortion in almost identical way, for that particular lens.

A different lens may show a stoneshot appear not as a donutshape, but perhaps as a ripple effect, or whatever it may be.

the lenses on the stereo sattelites interpret the damage as these donut shaped artifacts.


many of you clearly seem to guess based on the appearance of artifacts and optical illusions.

The dark spot artifacts in the so called "corona" is probably caused by another type of damage to the lens. The entire "corona" artifact, by another type of damage. Most likely due to the software in the camera rather than damage.

Originally posted by WhiteHat

Originally posted by raymundoko
reply to post by WhiteHat

 

The artifact is always there, you can even see it when you think it's gone. The changes in luminosity create the optical illusion of a disapearing act.

Even when they are partially lighted, or the light seems to be from behind? Is that flare so strong that will reflect on a lens' artifact here, next to earth?

...[snip]...

The light from the flare is striking the camera lens, so an artifact on the lens WOULD affect that light.

Let's consider for a moment that the "object" is a flaw on the lens, such as a chipped lens (I'm not saying it is, but let's say it is for the sake of this example), then the light of the corona coming through the lens would certainly be distorted by the chip.

So there is one example of how it could happen, even with a spacecraft/camera far from the Sun.



What gets me is that this "object" stays in one place in the image frame for months at a time, even though the camera is moving (the STEREO B spacecraft orbits the sun, constantly moving). Shouldn't any object in space also appear to be moving as the camera moves?

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


correct. and it has been proven time and time again that they are artifacts.

The people still clinging to the idea they are real objects in space have just not gotten over the mental block that prevents them to see the obvious truth.

it will happen for them too, but perhaps a bit later than some of us.

Originally posted by raymundoko
reply to post by WhiteHat

 

A finger smudge is a finger smudge. If one is on the left of your windshield and one is on the right, they will look the same but be in different locations

So we a have a clear case of two finger smudges on two Stereo satellites, who are changing positions also. I see it now. There I go of the window.
Those damn scientists from NASA, they always up to something

Never mind, as I said, everyone see what they want to see. Hope someone will take it over from here; I'm kind of out of patience and this topic is far from being over. Let's give everyone a chance to decide what they see.

reply to post by WhiteHat


they are not changing positions.

Originally posted by alienDNA
reply to post by WhiteHat

 

they are not changing positions.

That is correct.

A person can go to helioviewer and see that these objects are always there, in the same position in the image frame, for months at a time.

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People


They are moving, as the OP suggested to check out for ourselves. I did.
But since we don't know what they are, we cannot answer why they are moving only as little as they do.

Hope nobody get's me wrong here, I'm not saying they are spacecrafts or whatever alien . For as much as we know and see, they actually seem to me like some kind of energy clusters or ripples. We don't really know what is going on next to the sun, at those levels of intensity, heat and energy. We cannot pretend that we know every single phenomenon that is happening in universe. We still discover and learn from mistakes.
What I can say almost for sure (almost) is that there is something out there, next to the sun, and that is very exciting.