William & Kate are the TWO WITNESSES and Prince George THE CHRIST RETURNED.

Timely
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Blind and deaf ?

Pardon, I don't see your point.

You just made my point above!

If you mock me with the ATS-ET correspondant thing (you use the word 'sarcasm'), it means that you didn't understand my point.

Few posts above you said that I should have the greatest number of self answered posts. As a matter of fact, I saw that DISRAELI has a fair number of self answered posts too on...the Book of Revelation.

It's really strange no one had complained about his work for it respects the mob beliefs...but NOT THE FACTS!

That's where I talk about people being blind and deaf.

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Did you ask DISRAELI to take a break? Did you invite him to go fishing, fly a kite, help out at an old folks home or whatever he think he can help at - in the real world - away from the net? It could be cathartic for him too! Isn't it?

You see that the problem is you. Not me.

You are not the 'friendly' guy you want us to believe you are. You are just another close minded guy.

My commitment is to show how people often sleep thanks to the lies and the disinfos conyeved since centuries by the churches. The Women (Rev 12 and Rev 17 who are very different) ARE NOT the Church, any church. Only the churches will tell you this to gain your loyalty and your money, the very one supposed to save you if you choose Jesus...THEIR JESUS, THEIR CHURCH.

Not the real one. Not the real angels. Not the real clouds. Not the real God.

REMEMBER THAT THE CHURCHES BELONG TO THE POWER THAT BE SINCE CENTURIES!

Your behavior against me is a way to give the PTB the credit it doesn't deserve. Are you a shill?

Erm, you're still the only person who believes in your theory.
And Disraeli? Sorry? What?

AngryCymraeg
Erm, you're still the only person who believes in your theory.
And Disraeli? Sorry? What?

Did you make a poll?

Anyway, I don't care what people believe because many beliefs since centuries have changed in a blink of an eye. Beliefs are never persistent. FACTS ARE PERSISTENT.

I DON'T BELIEVE in my theory. THE FACTS SAY MY THEORY IS THE RIGHT ONE. The next facts to come will prove much more...

DISRAELI BELIEFS. DISRAELI FACTS....

Timing of Christ return: 1/2

I would like to share with you a fresher perspective about the first three chapters of the Book of Revelations. In fact, they reveal the timing of the Return of Christ. That's why this book starts with the 7 churches. It's the account of the countdown. He then explains how to know the very END TIMES moment which story is then described in the following chapters. I am going to share with you the logic behind the words.

Rev 1, Rev 2 and Rev 3 talk about John meeting Jesus and the 7 churches being 7 lampstands, 7 spirits, 7 stars.

John sees a vision of the Son of Man, who walks among seven lampstands and has seven stars in his right hand. We will see that the 7 churches are 7 periods of time. That's why the Son of Man is among the 7 lampstands, holding 7 stars.

The 7 churches are Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea. John must send a message to the 7 churches in the province of Asia.

Some Historicists typically interpret the seven churches as representing seven different periods in the history of the Church from the time of Paul until the return of Jesus Christ. Scofield states that "these messages by their very terms go beyond the local assemblies mentioned." He is of the opinion that the letters have a prophetic purpose disclosing the seven phases of the spiritual history of the Church.

Look at this passage:

16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

I would like you to carefully remember this SUN SHINING thing. All the numbers 7 relate to the LIGHT (lampstands, stars, angels, spirits). Only the word 'churches' doesn't describe the light. Jesus even says what he doesn't like in these churches. Why? Because, beyond the first interpretation we could have about the religious and the priests as an assembly (church), Jesus speaks about THE ERA OF HIS CHRISTIAN CHURCH and the MAIN BEHAVIOR OF MEN IN EACH OF THE 7 PARTS OF THIS ERA!

Character of the churches

Ephesus (Revelation 2:1-7) - the church that had forsaken its first love (2:4).
Smyrna (Revelation 2:8-11) - the church that would suffer persecution (2:10).
Pergamum (Revelation 2:12-17) - the church that needed to repent (2:16).
Thyatira (Revelation 2:18-29) - the church that had a false prophetess (2:20).
Sardis (Revelation 3:1-6) - the church that had fallen asleep (3:2).
Philadelphia (Revelation 3:7-13) - the church that had endured patiently (3:10).
Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-22) - the church that was lukewarm and insipid (to God) (3:16).

The seven dispentiations: Chapters 2-3 of the Revelation has specific messages for each of the seven churches.

Ephesus - The strong church

Had patiently borne adversity, and could not stand evil.
They had left their first love. God appealed to them to remember from where they had fallen.

Smyrna - The poor, rich church.

This church would face persecution.
God had nothing against them.

Pergamos - The faltering church

Had not denied God.
Had allowed false prophets into the church.

Thyatira - The apostate church

Had many good works.
Had allowed the false prophetess Jezebel to come in.

Sardis - The dying church

Asked to repent and watch.

Philadelphia - The weak church

God promised to keep them from the hour of temptation.
The synagogue of satan, who claimed to be Jews, would know that God was with them.

Laodocia - The lukewarm church

This church thought they were fine.
God asked them to buy gold from him, so they would be rich.

These names are more than weird for two reasons:

1) they are ALL in Turkey and they were not important in John's time compared with Jerusalem or other bigger cities of the Christian world (especially because Jesus asked the 12 apostles to go everywhere on the Earth. So, 7 churches don't match Jesus's command). The ONLY connection to Turkey is NICAEA (Turkey) where the first and seven Ecumenical Councils took place. The most well known is the first one in 325 AD.

2) their locations form the greek letter PI, following the perfect order of their presentation by Jesus (Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea). These locations are a message themselves! ONLY THIS PI THING SHOULD SHOW US THAT CHRIST SAYS MORE THAN WHAT PEOPLE NORMALLY HEAR.

That's why, at the end of each church description it is said:

Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

The spirit is one of the 7 spirits, each time. SPIRIT MEANS NON MATERIAL. The churches are not of this material world, but from the spiritual world, the world of the ideas!

What is this message? What is the link with the END TIMES period I announced? That's where your spirit must be stronger.

Jesus is conveying a scientific message to tell us when He returns.

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The locations of the 7 churches form the letter PI (order of the churches respected). PI is the number 3.14.

We see that the verse 3:14 is the 7th church:

REV 3:14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.

Some will say it's just a coincidence. As usual. The initiates will say otherwise.

This number 3.14 refers to the cycles of a circle. But it refers to another law much more complex: THE FRACTAL TIME!

When we think about the periods of time, we often think in linear time. It happens that the speed of light is but the result of 7 iterations of the doubling of the spinback of light particles. What does it mean?

It means that the Doubling Law, which is perfectly measured in the scientific experiments, makes the speed of light what it is (around 300,000 kms/sec) AT THE SOLAR SYSTEM SCALE (hence the SUN SHINING THING) until the seventh doubling spinback iteration. It's a little bit complex but you can have a better idea of this principle HERE.

Rev 1, 2 an 3 speak about the LIGHT. It happens that the light is but the result of 7 iterations of the FRACTAL TIME. It then comes that the 7 periods of time Jesus talks about are ALSO FRACTAL.

To be continued...

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Timing of Christ return: 2/2

Rev 1, 2 an 3 speak about the LIGHT. It happens that the light is but the result of 7 iterations of the FRACTAL TIME. It then comes that the 7 periods of time Jesus talks about are ALSO FRACTAL.

How can we apply the fractal time in the past history to know when Christ returns (without knowing the DAY and the HOUR as specified in the Gospels)?

First of all, we must start in the year 33 AD, when Jesus-Christ died and resurrected.

Secondly, the first period of time could only be a DAY OF GOD, i.e. 1,000 years.

Third, we apply the Doubling system of the speed of light TO REACH THE LIGHT AT THE END TIMES!

We then have:

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The 7 churches are 7 iteratives doubling cycles starting with a Day of God (1,000 years) since the Resurrection of Jesus.

0: 33 AD
1: 1000 years = 1033
2: 500 years = 1533
3: 250 years = 1783
4: 125 years = 1908
5: 62 years = 1970
6: 31 years = 2001
7: 15 years = 2017

As a matter of fact, each end of a 'doubling period' (which is in fact a virtual doubling speed of the time flow) the world knew a new step in its evolution (Middle Age, New World, Democracy, Industry, Communication, Terror, Tribulations), including in the way men perceived their faith to God and Christ.

This picture above shows us that the GREAT TRIBULATIONS should start in 2017 (rise of the Antichrist) because it's the way (the Tribulations) God shows His wrath to the Churches! This is the beginning of his wrath on Earth, the apex of the 7 iterations of the fractal time since Christ resurrected.

But before that period - when God lets the ANTICHRIST doing his misdeeds - the Two Witnesses come for 3,5 years. THEIR MINISTRY THEN STARTS END OF 2013! MEANING NOW!

Of course, I didn't add the numbers below 1 year (after the coma) when dividing by two the numbers of years. But the approximation is enough to get an idea of what Jesus conveyed to us through John of Patmos.

This explanation requires a scientific mindset, but everyone can easily grasp the whole idea.

Again, CHRIST IS THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD, as stated in the Book of Revelation, and all the Gospels. And THE LIGHT HAS ITS OWN UNIVERSAL TIME LAW TO APPEAR.

Note that Christ will defeat the Antichrist after a period of 3,5 years...starting in 2017. The Christ Return FOR HIS MINISTRY (not his birth) is therefore around the year 2021...It's specified that the days have been short cut to save the Elect.

This could also be understood this way: the 8th iteration is not possible. Indeed, the half of 15 years (the 7th iteration) is around 7 years. But Christ shortens the period of the Antichrist to only 3,5 years beyond 2017, year of the end of the whole 7 churches / 7 iterative fractal periods.

Olivet
reply to post by Timely

 

Did you ask DISRAELI to take a break? Did you invite him to go fishing, fly a kite, help out at an old folks home or whatever he think he can help at - in the real world - away from the net? It could be cathartic for him too! Isn't it?

You see that the problem is you. Not me.

You are not the 'friendly' guy you want us to believe you are. You are just another close minded guy.

My commitment is to show how people often sleep thanks to the lies and the disinfos conyeved since centuries by the churches. The Women (Rev 12 and Rev 17 who are very different) ARE NOT the Church, any church. Only the churches will tell you this to gain your loyalty and your money, the very one supposed to save you if you choose Jesus...THEIR JESUS, THEIR CHURCH.

Not the real one. Not the real angels. Not the real clouds. Not the real God.

REMEMBER THAT THE CHURCHES BELONG TO THE POWER THAT BE SINCE CENTURIES!

Your behavior against me is a way to give the PTB the credit it doesn't deserve. Are you a shill?

edit on 20-9-2013 by Olivet because: (no reason given)

Sweet!!

It's all my fault!

Step away from the debate ... case closed.

( sounds suspiciously like my Wife ... sweetheart !??? )

Needless to say that Jesus' words are quite clear:

20 The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

7 stars = 7 angels

7 lampstands = 7 churches.

The stars are much brigther than the lampstands.

It means that a specific messenger (angel), who was sent by Jesus and serving him, enlightened the specific period of time of each of the 7 churches / periods. The light source (brighter than the common people around) is the messenger (angel), the light (lampstand) of the period (church) is the progress (to be) made by the humanity (each person) in the so-called period (successively of 1,000, 500, 250, 125, 62, 31 and 15 years) thanks to the so-called specific messenger.

What that means is that the humanity (each people) had a specific step to do, a specific goal to reach, a fractal progress in each church / period, accelerating due to the social and spiritual environment, with specific wrongdoings to avoid. It means that those who succeeded not to make these wrongdoings will be the recipients of the GROWING REWARDS!

Period 1: 1,000 years.

To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.

Period 2: 500 years.

The one who is victorious will not be hurt at all by the second death.

Period 3: 250 years.

To the one who is victorious, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give that person a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to the one who receives it.

Period 4: 125 years.

To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— 27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’—just as I have received authority from my Father. 28 I will also give that one the morning star.

Period 5: 62 years.

The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels.

Period 6: 31 years.

The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name.

Period 7: 15 years.

To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.

All this means four things:

1) Jesus talks about THE REINCARNATIONS OF HIS FAITHFUL AND LOYAL FOLLOWERS IN EACH PERIOD.

2) Jesus presents how the Judgment will be made through different types of obstacles to pass.

3) The reward is qualitatively growing for each successful step:

Period 1: be in paradise.
Period 2: no pain for the second death (last one).
Period 3: new knowledge (hidden manna) and technology (white stone).
Period 4: the authority over the nations / leadership in the future civilization.
Period 5: the neverending choice close to God.
Period 6: the glory of the pillars of the New Jerusalem on Earth.
Period 7: being on the Throne of the Lord with Him.

As you can see, the rewards are very specific and depend on the deeds of each one during the considered period of time. Needless to say that the selection is increasingly harder for the recipients.

Needless to say that, with this selection, Jesus clearly states that THE SINS ARE NOT REDEEMED. He clearly says that we will receive according to our (mis)deeds.

4) we are not equal in Jesus' mind!

reply to post by Timely


Good luck with your wife!

reply to post by Olivet


In the picture you must read:

A scale perception transforms PI.R into 2R of the light particles trajectory in the Doubling Theory. Hence 7 lampstands (light).

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..... this thread is now starting to worry me. It's a bit... odd.

Dear Olivet,
Thankyou for a very interesting post! I found the subject matter fascinating and while I remain sceptical that William Kate and George will become the witnesses and Christ, it is not beyond the realms of possibilty. It's great food for thought and I can't wait to see how this all pans out. Personally I don't care if he comes back on clouds, riding a great white steed or by royal birth...I'm just looking-forward to meeting him
I am always disappointed at the closed-mindedness of some ATS members and thier refusal to even consider other peoples points of view. Sadly there are some members here that seem to make a career of derailing to the point of rudeness and personal insults.
I hope you remain steadfast in your beliefs and that you continue to contribute such intersesting material. S&F

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Thank you for all your remarks. It's really refreshing. I knew that intelligent people were reading this thread. I'll keep you informed with new inputs.

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Odd and worrying, indeed. I feel that you are going to take 'my' claim seriously very soon when the news from William & Kate will become more than strange. I gave dates. Add few more days / weeks after these dates and you will finally see the truth.

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I'm a little worried that when all this doesn't come to pass you'll go a bit... odder. Sorry, but like I said the only person posting on this thread in support of your theory is, well, you.

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In that case, I am worried for you.

Just to be a pest, again and again, the two witenesses are internal, Spirit related, and Innerworks, that assist us throughout our journey if we don't drown the voices out, and lead us to SEE THROUGH THE LIES even in the religions, (ie. a smiting god who murders, and also, only your denomination will be saved, because god is a psycho, but you're fine, you'll be in heaven). Love and Wisdom. Those are the witnesses. One day, when the tests are over, and its pencils down, and we've left the flesh behind, those two witnesses have kept a permanent recording of everything here on earth, and even our intentions and are a part of our review process.

This is the truth, as i do mumble truth post after post in the corner, noticing weird ideas getting many flags around me, yet keep it up. And it just depends on what grade your consciousness is on, to see clearly.

Everyone can dust off their inner direction and start to see through all the lies and materialism around them, and the externalization of inner processes into really bad cults that harm others. Everyone can do it, all they have to do each night, or in quiet moments is: turn within. ask themselves. Who am I ? Why am i here? What needs changing within me, what have I come into this world, to overcome and grow beyond? Reporting for duty, only wish to serve and protect others and help. Wish to have all that prevents me from seeing through the lies and programs to be removed and healed.

Do that enough and you'll see through everything very clearly and be empowered to begin your mission to help. Even if that mission is holding frequency and not proactive in the world. For it doesnt have to be, it has to be what you are supposed to according to Source/Family and your Higher Self. Some are here to assist their family members through and hold frequency. Some have many gifts given, money and health and energy and outgoing natures, and they are expected to help their communities.

Olivet
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

In that case, I am worried for you.

Because I spotted that the only person who believes your theory is you?

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All of this is interesting but what it has anything to do with the words of John's visions? NOTHING.

You speak about generalities, John speak about precise events through metaphors (figures of speech) and real events to come. The Two Witnesses are real two figures. I already asked you to be honest and explain to me why so many related physical aspects of the two witnesses are mentioned. You failed to do it until now.

If you would really try to fit these physical aspects with your 'Love and Wisdom' allegories you would only offer us convoluted explanations.

AngryCymraeg

Olivet
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In that case, I am worried for you.

Because I spotted that the only person who believes your theory is you?

No, I am worried for you because despite numerous explanations matching the reality of the facts (a good theory is the one matching the facts) you're still living in your 'democracy' world. You seem to believe that the mod is right (hence the preeminence of the majority point of view which seems to be more important to you than the truth) and that my supposed 'loneliness' makes me wrong.

How many people were right alone well before the mass? Einstein for example. Even if he is wrong now for he didn't push his reflections far enough about the time nature.

It means that you are unable to think by yourself and will be one of the firsts to jump the cliff with the other sheeps. Like I said, I am worried for you.

It's not because they are numerous to be wrong that they are right.