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Top 5 Political Hypocrisies

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posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 02:47 PM
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The biggest thing i have noticed when it comes to American politics is WE lack consistency for instance :

1. Don't you dare make a woman to have a child, but you damn sure better pay for her birth control and free visits to PP.

2. Don't you dare ask people to show ID to vote, because it's 'racist' and mean to poor people, but hell force those same people to show ID when they purchase a gun.

3. Big brother don't you dare spy on me, but Big Brother feed me,cloth me,educate me, give me fiat currency and corporate products.

4. Mr and Mrs. America don't you dare break any law, just pay no attention to people who break the law to get in to this country you will be held accountable for your actions, but certain people won't be.

5. Don't you dare question anything your government does, and pay no attention to the first amendment that says you can pretty much call it out on anything you want.

This is political madness ! ! ! ! !

In the words of H.L. Mencken.


The American of today, in fact, probably enjoys less personal liberty than any other man of Christendom, and even his political liberty is fast succumbing to the new dogma that certain theories of government are virtuous and lawful, and others abhorrent and felonious. Laws limiting the radius of his free activity multiply year by year: It is now practically impossible for him to exhibit anything describable as genuine individuality, either in action or in thought, without running afoul of some harsh and unintelligible penalty. It would surprise no impartial observer if the motto “In God we trust” were one day expunged from the coins of the republic by the Junkers at Washington, and the far more appropriate word, “verboten,” substituted. Nor would it astound any save the most romantic if, at the same time, the goddess of liberty were taken off the silver dollars to make room for a bas-relief of a policeman in a spiked helmet. Moreover, this gradual (and, of late, rapidly progressive) decay of freedom goes almost without challenge; the American has grown so accustomed to the denial of his constitutional rights and to the minute regulation of his conduct by swarms of spies, letter-openers, informers and agents provocateurs that he no longer makes any serious protest.


Mencken

We lack consistency each side has one set of rules they play by, the other side has a different set of rules they play by.

A universal constant is desperately needed in this country if we are ever to survive. Americans have dropped the ball and is leaving this country worse off when they found it, and that needs to END.

Sure people spin a good game on the justifying of what ultimately ends up was we the people subservient to the masters a government for,of, and by itself.

Which brings us to another quote by Mencken:


Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.


Most of the political villains we currently talk about ARE manufactured to only one end to keep us fighting between ourselves instead of the people who we should be.

Class warfare,Race warfare,Sex warfare,and others that are all psychological warfare operations that is nothing more than manipulation of you the people.

Always a villain that needs to be vanquished, then on to the next manufactured boogieman people wake up and start seeing politics for what it is.

Fear porn,Doom porn that plays to the very worst of humanity, and far too many myself included let themselves get rapped up it in.

People ?

American politics is the most, the largest widely accepted conspiracy theory in the world :

They are government, and they are here to help you.

Time for people to wake up, and tell politicians selling snake oil miracle cures to GO STUFF it..

Become a believer in self governance let's try something old as something new ?

Purdy please Mr. and Mrs. America with sugar on top ?



posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
A universal constant is desperately needed in this country if we are ever to survive. Americans have dropped the ball and is leaving this country worse off when they found it, and that needs to END.




You sound like a Communist.

Personally I praise our diversity.

I see Mencken pushed Ayn the Socialist's book for publication.....figures.



Mencken recommended for publication the first novel by Ayn Rand, We the Living, calling it "a really excellent piece of work". Shortly after, Rand addressed him in correspondence as "the greatest representative of a philosophy" to which she wanted to dedicate her life, "individualism", and, later, listed him as her favorite columnist.

H. L. Mencken



posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 03:26 PM
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You sound like a Communist.


Oh really ?

That is what you took from the op ?




Personally I praise our diversity.


Not really since the demagoguery I have seen in other threads.




I see Mencken pushed Ayn the Socialist's book for publication.....figures.


Thank you for proving one of the points in the op manufacturing boogieman.

Also thank you for the continued political trolling and missed the entire ops POINT.
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posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
Also thank you for the continued political trolling and missed the entire ops POINT.


I must have missed "the entire ops point".

Because it just reads everyone in the country should agree with Neo and his favorite authors.

But good luck with that.



posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 03:38 PM
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See Neo... since we're on the subject, I hope you'll indulge me for a moment because there is a trend you've shown lately that I find to be a wee bit disingenuous...

During several debates between us lately, when I've voiced my feelings on the subject of social services for those who have a sincere need for them, you've used a term - one you've used here as well - "...fiat currency and corporate products...."

I say that those who are starving need food - you reply with those words "fiat currency and corporate products"
I mention the ill and elderly needing housing and medicine - you reply with those words "fiat currency and corporate products".

On at least two previous occasions those words have jumped out, to me, from your posts, and I've wondered "Why would he phrase things that way?"

My first thought was that you might have read them on a political blog somewhere and liked the way that they sounded - or that it was the new and hip buzz phrase for the neocon crowd.

My second thought was that maybe you were just being overly specific and would be open to discuss maybe something like a program where social programs provided raw foods directly to the needy... no corporate middleman and profit margin to deal with.

But then I thought "Maybe he is being exceptionally specific with those terms as an emotional insulation. After all, using those words you aren't denying sick kids food and medicine... you're denying them "fiat currency and corporate products"...

I'm not taking a shot - as I know you to be a good hearted man. I am sincerely curious. Is this a sign that you might be getting a little softer about these issues as time passes?



posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 03:51 PM
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People have misrepresented my stance from the beginning heff.

The stance has always been PEOPLE can help anyone out they want I have repeatedly stated not the government's job to provide for the peoples existence.

Fiat currency created by the government.
Corporate products are what they are things and services that are paid for by fiat currency.
Taxes are fiat currency paid to government that has been perverted in to 'giving' corporate products to people.




But then I thought "Maybe he is being exceptionally specific with those terms as an emotional insulation. After all, using those words you aren't denying sick kids food and medicine... you're denying them "fiat currency and corporate products"...


Not denying anyone anything see the first comment.

So let me get this straight If someone doesn't believe in government benevolence giving 'fiat currency and corporate products' to people deemed to be 'needy' .

Are being denied 'THINGS". ?

edit on 13-8-2013 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 04:04 PM
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This is what happens when we elect political leadership that lacks;
Values
Principles
Morals

The "moral compass" that our "leaders" have, have no arrow. No pointer.

How can you expect normal, respectable, honorable behavior from amoral narcicists?



posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 04:05 PM
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I'm not sure I understand the last paragraph. "Things" include potable water, food, medicine. These things I think everyone should have access to, able to provide it for themselves or not. Even folks living in mud huts in the third world ( at least the stable parts of it ) mostly have access to these basic needs.

As for the US? A lot of people gripe about the misnamed "Obama phones"... but the truth is that most basic services, even charity services, require a contact number just to be considered ( a mailing address is also requisite ). Thus I could argue that a phone is a necessity... a thing one must have to survive. At least in the western world.

I think where we differ is that you would prefer social services to be 100% voluntary and charity driven - which is not a bad thing. I do get it. I just also see that, historically, charity tends to fail when it's needed the most. People tend to circle the wagons when storm clouds loom. A few bad days for the DOW and the caring and sharing urges tend to atrophy and wither. Churches historically took up as much of the slack as they could.. but that's sort of out of the window now with televangelists, mega churches, and the "prosperity doctrine" so prevalent. The Church, in most of it's forms, has become a tax exempt business that loves profit margins as much as any corporate entity does... so that falls apart too.

As stated previously, I know you to have a good heart. No desire to misrepresent at all. Merely to better understand and seek out common ground.



posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
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This is what happens when we elect political leadership that lacks;
Values
Principles
Morals

The "moral compass" that our "leaders" have, have no arrow. No pointer.

How can you expect normal, respectable, honorable behavior from amoral narcicists?


I don't know read the comments thus far sounds they make it sound like my 'moral compass' is more messed up than those people on capital hill.

People want government to legislate morality, and things to placate the people, they want a government that legislates constantly on emotion instead of telling people NO, You want it You go out and get it, You pay for it.

Those examples in 1-5 are all corporate products the same thing they constantly vilify on these boards, the same people that employ them that gives them jobs, that creates self reliance, and wealth so they can go out and buy all the corporate products til their hearts content.

Even calling in to question certain terminology that in itself another layer of hypocrisy shown in this thread.

They don't see it though because the fall back position is emotion, and if someone doesn't support that they don't 'care' about others.



posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 04:19 PM
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I'm not sure I understand the last paragraph. "Things" include potable water, food, medicine. These things I think everyone should have access to, able to provide it for themselves or not. Even folks living in mud huts in the third world ( at least the stable parts of it ) mostly have access to these basic needs.


Looking around I don't see anyone being denied anything.




As for the US? A lot of people gripe about the misnamed "Obama phones"... but the truth is that most basic services, even charity services, require a contact number just to be considered ( a mailing address is also requisite ). Thus I could argue that a phone is a necessity... a thing one must have to survive. At least in the western world.


Obama phones just another cash windfall for corporations again that are constantly vilified on here.





I think where we differ is that you would prefer social services to be 100% voluntary and charity driven - which is not a bad thing. I do get it. I just also see that, historically, charity tends to fail when it's needed the most. People tend to circle the wagons when storm clouds loom. A few bad days for the DOW and the caring and sharing urges tend to atrophy and wither. Churches historically took up as much of the slack as they could.. but that's sort of out of the window now with televangelists, mega churches, and the "prosperity doctrine" so prevalent. The Church, in most of it's forms, has become a tax exempt business that loves profit margins as much as any corporate entity does... so that falls apart too.


What is failing is the country Heff we can't afford to continue what we are doing, and when the massive weight of the state comes crashing down what happens to those people who have become so dependent on the state for their existence ?

What is going to happen?



As stated previously, I know you to have a good heart. No desire to misrepresent at all. Merely to better understand and seek out common ground.


Where i have common ground is that there are far too many people in this country who depend on government to live.

That is wrong
That is not the way it should be.

Government doesn't like charity which is why they sell entitlement is the preferred option because for some odd reason people think government doesn't let them down.

IT does quite massively, and quite often.



posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
People want government to legislate morality, and things to placate the people, they want a government that legislates constantly on emotion instead of telling people NO,


For once I agree with you.

Legislating against Gay Marriage, Abortion, Healthcare, Food Stamps, Disability Benifits, Pensions et al on Moral and Emotional grounds is wrong and they indeed should be told, NO.



posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 04:32 PM
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Having government legislate morality is like having Hannibal Lecter design menus for restaurants.



posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 04:35 PM
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Legislating against Gay Marriage, Abortion, Healthcare, Food Stamps, Disability Benifits, Pensions et al on Moral and Emotional grounds is wrong and they indeed should be told, NO.


Not really because if you did that would mean

You agree that government should not legislate:

Gay marriage getting fiat currency tax breaks,and giving their others halves the ability to take all their mates fiat currency and corporate products.
Abortion - corporate product.
Healthcare-corporate product
Food stamps-corporate product
Disability -fiat currency to go buy corporate products.
Pensions-fiat currency to go buy corporate products.

Et al,

So no you don't really agree.

What you agree with is government should provide fiat currency and corporate products that is based on nothing but emotion.

A hipper rap, but still no.
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posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 08:31 PM
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I see Mencken pushed Ayn the Socialist's book for publication.....figures.


Calling Ayn a socialist shows an amazing ignorance of both the definition of the word and of everything Ayn Rand wrote. I don't think you have ever read a single page of her works, either that or it went entirely over your head.




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