Scientists claim UFOs are controlled by Alien Intelligence

To expand on ectoplasm8, there's more hard evidence -- witnesses to the rocket launches [myself included -- Apollo-8!!!], to the spacecraft on their way to the moon, radio amateurs who tuned in to transmissions out to and around the moon [none of them heard those 'secret UFO broadcasts', by the way], samples brought back and distributed worldwide, reflections off the mirrors, images of the tracks made by unmanned lunar orbiters in recent years, surprising discoveries only humans would have noticed [such as the retinal light flashes from cosmic rays], geologic discoveries that compared/contrasted the moon with other worlds in the solar system, etc etc.

That's why rational people accept that Apollo occurred as described, and the absence of ANY corresponding evidence for somebody ELSE's spacecraft remains a gap that UFO proponents have so far failed to cross.

How are people expected to gather evidence, when a UFO is reported to have crashed the areas are closed off to the public, police, and military that don't have a high enough level of clearance. Huge resources are placed there to combe the areas and gather all remains of the crash site. We public can only show pics which are refuted as CGI, planets or stars. Any body on the inside that leaks information is shot down as a crack pot, so unless one lands on the front lawn of the whitehouse the sceptics will never believe.

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C'mon, the front lawn of the White House? That'd be a bit obvious, doncha think?

Originally posted by Ectoplasm8
Spend a day at the Air and Space museum at the Smithsonian. You'll see rockets, space capsules, satellites and maybe even human beings. Visit Titusville, Fl and watch a launch. Go to any weather website that has live satellite video. Track the ISS and view it for yourself if it passes over your area. All based on real facts. That's why I believe human space travel.

Good point that I hadn't considered. I actually have been to the Air & Space Museum BTW, and it's one of my favorite places in the world. The problem is that by your original statement, anyone could say that the LM and Apollo capsule are just props because for whatever reason, space travel is impossible, as I'm sure you've seen here on ATS with the moon hoax threads.

I'm not criticizing people for not believing, but I am saying that the current evidence, as weak as you think it is, must be considered in it's totality as at least a possibility of an unearthly phenomenon. Not to do so shows a closed mind or ignorance of the magnitude of that evidence. What's the difference between people like you and the moon hoaxers?

It's not just word of mouth, or grainy photos/videos.

This is a little further than I wanted to go, but another problem with the close-minded is that grainy photos are never good enough for them, and they call crystal clear photos and videos faked. But that's another aspect that I don't have time to get into right now.

Now, if we start at the very basics of aliens visiting Earth, we have no verifiable, real, tangible facts. Not of alien beings, UFO and alien connections, or interstellar space travel. Those are based on word of mouth stories. You can't even get out of the gate with one verifiable fact.

Everything you say here is true, however it should be enough to open anyone's mind to consider the possibility. If not, then the only conclusion anyone can come to is that you just don't want to.

Again, not believing is perfectly reasonable IMO, but not considering makes no sense just from a human standpoint.

I know there are NASA advocates in line with US space program and
our extraterrestrial maneuvers to the Moon but there are those not on
the same plane.

Let take their view point. We do not have a space craft except for
space radiation protected robots. Also we do not know if saucers or
glowing UFO ships come from space or are even capable of powered
space flight.

We do know of various unknown ships that have landed and have
been seen in flight. A flying wing and a triangle ship to name two.
They sailed without a sound and did impossible maneuvers but
are not space ships just a special technology of mass transfer that
protects the crew and propels the ship.

So NASA did a good job of putting space in the minds of many while
money in the pockets of many but can only hang on to Earth orbit
and robot space craft. So are there space craft at all without the
talk of aliens. Some people might say no.

Without the so called Alien Intelligence controlled UFO ship as
scientists claim we only have human ships from Earth. Now that is
a bad thing cause people might think someone is hiding something.
That brings out people who search for the hidden technology.
We now have Hiders vs Searchers both in the background of the
UFO phenomena.

Originally posted by Hadrian

Originally posted by AlienView
How much more evidence is necessary to indicate we are being visited by an alien intelligence?

For me, it's not a question of more ... it's a question of just one shred of irrefutable evidence. That's all.

How many apple's had to hit you in the head before you believed in gravity, lol. I can't see air but accept that it is there and necessary for me to live. We have been accepting things like this all our lives but after thousands upon thousands of eye witness accounts some can't even believe in the possibility of aliens.

We take so many things for granted that other people tell us. They still teach that Columbus discovered America even though we know for a fact that it is not true. We brought this to the history teacher and he said yes it is true but they don't want to change the books because it will cost to much money.

There will always be skeptics and people who just don't want to believe, some just trod along with the rest of the sheep oblivious they are being led to slaughter. Others have an agenda and have reasons to disseminate the information or misinformation depending on the result they are working toward.

I used to be a skeptic about many things we are discussing here. But I soon understood that the laws of probability says it just is not possible for there to be nothing to it, that there are too many sightings of both ufo's and big foot for something not to be happening.

Skeptical scientists said the same thing about the giant squid until there was finally photographic evidence that they were real. Now we know they are and no one can dispute it. The lack of evidence of something does not prove it is not real. If the skeptics had won out throughout our history we would still be living in the dark ages.

I am thankful for the dreamers and the believers. Don't you dream of the day when the world has free energy to all, when everyone has enough to eat, the day we have conquered disease and greed no longer rules the world.

I chose to believe

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Blah, blah, blah ... same ol', same ol'. I acknowledge gravity and air because there's evidence for them.

By the way, Columbus did discover America. He was not the first to do so. Education uses evidence that (I don't know about, you, but I was taught in the third grade) that civilizations existed in the Americas long before western European hegemony. That history is centric to those who teach and are taught it, especially in a less-informed society, is something else that education teaches you is typical.

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And again from the UKMailonline on Edgar Mitchell: Apollo 14 astronaut claims aliens HAVE made contact - but it has been covered up for 60 years "Aliens have contacted humans several times but governments have hidden the truth for 60 years, the sixth man to walk on the moon has claimed.

Now the skeptics and non-believers who dispute what Mitchell says are going to claim he is full of hot air or is
lying. Really? A famous astronaut who walked on the Moon lie just to gain attention? I don't think so.

So now you ask why would the government cover-up knowledge of and possibly even contact with alien
intelligence? And I will tell you why. Many, many people will not be capable of accepting the fact that an
advanced [from the perspective of Man] species of being exists and is and has been monitoring humans for a
long time. Man likes to think he is at the top of the Evolutionary chain - he does not want to accept that he
may not be even close to the top - it insults his petty ego. I strongly believe [I know just an opinion] that if
man is really a part of an evolutionary chain as some also believe [again just a matter of belief] then he must
accept that he is nowhere near his potential and to deny the probable, even though it is circumstantial,
evidence of a more advanced intelligence which apparently is observing us, is to limit the human potential
for advancement into the future. To inherit the stars and see a new dawn for science and humanity we must
accept what is obvious even though we are still not clear as to what is is we are observing and exactly what
they may think of us or want from us - but too often we see a phenomenon that is apparently intelligent
- And let us at least make an effort to show 'them' that we too are intelligent and not superstitious
numskulls who would rather believe in demons and optical illusions.

Originally posted by AntiNWO

Good point that I hadn't considered. I actually have been to the Air & Space Museum BTW, and it's one of my favorite places in the world. The problem is that by your original statement, anyone could say that the LM and Apollo capsule are just props because for whatever reason, space travel is impossible, as I'm sure you've seen here on ATS with the moon hoax threads.

I'm not criticizing people for not believing, but I am saying that the current evidence, as weak as you think it is, must be considered in it's totality as at least a possibility of an unearthly phenomenon. Not to do so shows a closed mind or ignorance of the magnitude of that evidence. What's the difference between people like you and the moon hoaxers?

Yes, I've seen the forum and probably seen all of the Moon hoax videos. I added live weather satellites and your own visual confirmation of the ISS to go beyond the touchable elements here on Earth such as the space capsules or rockets, to outside evidence. You can also add other evidence such as video'd spacewalks and things of that sort. It's a losing battle between evidence of human space travel and the possibility of Moon landings, and that of highly intelligent alien life visiting Earth. You're making huge leaps and assumptions with very little real evidence to back it up, while I can show you verifiable step by step evidence.

Everything you say here is true, however it should be enough to open anyone's mind to consider the possibility. If not, then the only conclusion anyone can come to is that you just don't want to.

Again, not believing is perfectly reasonable IMO, but not considering makes no sense just from a human standpoint.

Of course I leave it as a possibility. I'm not saying it isn't possible. I'm pointing out just because a scientist thinks UFOs could be from another world, or even says they have to be, it doesn't make the theory any more of a fact. So I find it silly that people continuously post stories or beliefs from scientists, military, professors, policemen, clergymen or whatever title you want to attach to it, as if it adds more weight to this belief. The bottom line is that it's still only a belief, a guess, an assumption. I think any reasonable person should require and demand something concrete to prove there's a connection between an unidentified object in the sky and alien life. Too many people here don't require that.

Originally posted by AlienView
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And again from the UKMailonline on Edgar Mitchell: Apollo 14 astronaut claims aliens HAVE made contact - but it has been covered up for 60 years "Aliens have contacted humans several times but governments have hidden the truth for 60 years, the sixth man to walk on the moon has claimed.

Now the skeptics and non-believers who dispute what Mitchell says are going to claim he is full of hot air or is
lying. Really? A famous astronaut who walked on the Moon lie just to gain attention? I don't think so.

I don't know if this has been pointed out or not, but, you do understand Edgar Mitchell is telling stories second-hand, correct? This isn't first-hand knowledge. He's never seen an alien body, photographs of alien bodies, a UFO, or been involved with any type of "alien contact". That's by his own admission. This story gets told so many times that the facts get confused. Same thing happens with the Gordon Cooper story about witnessing a UFO land in the desert. When in fact he didn't witness anything. He was only telling a story told to him by his film crew. I've seen so many television programs about UFOs giving 70% of a story and conveniently leaving out the other 30%.

Originally posted by Ectoplasm8

Originally posted by AlienView
reply to post by AlienView

 

And again from the UKMailonline on Edgar Mitchell: Apollo 14 astronaut claims aliens HAVE made contact - but it has been covered up for 60 years "Aliens have contacted humans several times but governments have hidden the truth for 60 years, the sixth man to walk on the moon has claimed.

Now the skeptics and non-believers who dispute what Mitchell says are going to claim he is full of hot air or is
lying. Really? A famous astronaut who walked on the Moon lie just to gain attention? I don't think so.

I don't know if this has been pointed out or not, but, you do understand Edgar Mitchell is telling stories second-hand, correct? This isn't first-hand knowledge. He's never seen an alien body, photographs of alien bodies, a UFO, or been involved with any type of "alien contact". That's by his own admission. This story gets told so many times that the facts get confused. Same thing happens with the Gordon Cooper story about witnessing a UFO land in the desert. When in fact he didn't witness anything. He was only telling a story told to him by his film crew. I've seen so many television programs about UFOs giving 70% of a story and conveniently leaving out the other 30%.

That might be true BUT you still can't deny the 70% and that is significant. I think it is safe to assume that
even if these astronauts are giving second hand information it is still probably from a reliable source. Mitchell
and Cooper wouldn't be quoting what the maid or gardener told them - they are quoting or giving info from
insider sources and if these insider sources have an agenda in leaking false information I don't know what
it is, even though I will admit there is an old 'conspiracy theory' that the government is intentionally creating
an alien hoax for a power play agenda of their own - I'd sooner believe in the reality of the aliens are
intelligent than a crazy government conspiracy - But and oh yes they finally admit Area 51 exists and one
might wonder why they denied it for so many years when it was obviously always there? Aliens? Conspiracy?
or possibly both.

You see that even without 'proof' of intelligent aliens flying around and visiting Earth the amount of circumstantial
and anecdotal evidence is much too much to dismiss. Something is being seen that appears to be intelligently
controlled and until we can show otherwise the intelligent alien hypothesis is a good assumption. If and when
it can be shown to be some here-to-for unknown natural phenomena or some secret government craft which
they don't want to admit exists we can still speculate that there is an alien intelligence observing planet Earth.

And I started this post because I believe it is significant that so many scientists trained to observe phenomena
with a scientific mind have reached the same conclusion - UFOs are guided by alien intelligence.

Originally posted by Ectoplasm8
Same thing happens with the Gordon Cooper story about witnessing a UFO land in the desert. When in fact he didn't witness anything. He was only telling a story told to him by his film crew. I've seen so many television programs about UFOs giving 70% of a story and conveniently leaving out the other 30%.

It's worse than that, Ec.

The film crew -- Jack Gettys, in particular -- when asked, made it clear that Gordon Cooper had nothing to do with them or their activities, they didn't even know he'd been on base at the time, until years later.

Cooper seems to have heard the story at the O'Club bar, and when he began telling it years later -- after being quietly shoved out of the astrfonaut corps -- it was just 'a story', later he added HIMSELF to the narrative as a player, to spice it up. The evolution of the story to add Cooper in, is documented in published versions year by year.

Please note the following quote on Major Gordon Cooper

"One of the original Mercury Astronauts and the last American to fly in space alone. On May 15, 1963 he shot into space in a Mercury capsule for a 22 orbit journey around the world. During the final orbit, Major Gordon Cooper told the tracking station at Muchea (near Perth Australia) that he could see a glowing, greenish object ahead of him quickly approaching his capsule. The UFO was real and solid, because it was picked up by Muchea's tracking radar. Cooper's sighting was reported by the National Broadcast Company, which was covering the flight step by step; but when Cooper landed, reporters were told that they would not be allowed to question him about the UFO sighting.

Major Cooper was a firm believer in UFOs. Ten years earlier, in 1951 he had sighted a UFO while piloting an F-86 Sabrejet over Western Germany. They were metallic, saucer-shaped discs at considerable altitude and could out-maneuver all American fighter planes. Major Cooper also testified before the United Nations: "I believe that these extra-terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets... Most astronauts were reluctant to discuss UFOs." "I did have occasion in 1951 to have two days of observation of many flights of them, of different sizes, flying in fighter formation, generally from east to west over Europe."

And according to a taped interview by J. L. Ferrando, Major Cooper said: "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public. Why? Because authority is afraid that people may think of God knows what kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means."
"I was furthermore a witness to an extraordinary phenomenon, here on this planet Earth. It happened a few months ago in Florida. There I saw with my own eyes a defined area of ground being consumed by flames, with four indentions left by a flying object which had descended in the middle of a field. Beings had left the craft (there were other traces to prove this). They seemed to have studied topography, they had collected soil samples and, eventually, they returned to where they had come from, disappearing at enormous speed... I happen to know that authority did just about everything to keep this incident from the press and TV, in fear of a panicky reaction from the public." -

See source here:
www.syti.net...

Sightings by other astronauts are also given.

Originally posted by AlienView
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See source here:
www.syti.net...

Sightings by other astronauts are also given.

You found it on the Internet, I guess that means it must be true.

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by AlienView
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See source here:
www.syti.net...

Sightings by other astronauts are also given.

You found it on the Internet, I guess that means it must be true.

Are you saying it is a lie? Are you saying the quotes are fallacious and made-up?

Originally posted by AlienView

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by AlienView
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See source here:
www.syti.net...

Sightings by other astronauts are also given.

You found it on the Internet, I guess that means it must be true.

Are you saying it is a lie? Are you saying the quotes are fallacious and made-up?

Let me say that at some point in your life, you ought to consider that everything you see on the Internet might not be Gospel Truth and it would be prudent to look for opposing views to particularly sensational claims.

Or even simple verification of such stories. Did anybody check any of these stories to verify they are accurate? That often happens. But as far as I can tell, not this time.

They don't have to be outright lies. More often they can be sincere misunderstandings or misinterpretations.

It is not easy and the Internet really doesn't help. Maybe that ought to be the main lesson.

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No, that is not the main lesson. When it comes to UFOs and alien intelligence, and to many other subjects,
the main lesson is:

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time,
but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

-Abraham Lincoln

As to who is fooling who in the alien intelligence/UFO field we will have to wait for the aliens to finally settle it.
Many people believe this will happen, others say never and in the meantime we speculate on the truth.

And I will continue to take quotes given over the internet as basically accurate - until proven otherwise.

Originally posted by AlienView
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As to who is fooling who in the alien intelligence/UFO field we will have to wait for the aliens to finally settle it.
Many people believe this will happen, others say never and in the meantime we speculate on the truth.

And I will continue to take quotes given over the internet as basically accurate - until proven otherwise.

Interesting approach.

Can you share which -- if any -- of all the UFO quotes you have seen on the Internet,
that you consider DIS-proven?

Examples please.

Originally posted by AlienView
reply to post by JimOberg

 

No, that is not the main lesson. When it comes to UFOs and alien intelligence, and to many other subjects,
the main lesson is:

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time,
but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

-Abraham Lincoln

As to who is fooling who in the alien intelligence/UFO field we will have to wait for the aliens to finally settle it.
Many people believe this will happen, others say never and in the meantime we speculate on the truth.

And I will continue to take quotes given over the internet as basically accurate - until proven otherwise.

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Your wasting your time, proof means nothing to people who are this Skeptical. Can you imagine how miserable the people around them are. It is proven, negativity breeds negativity. Watch them say something about that too, lol.

He reminds me of a friends father. In the late 70's there was a ufo sighting where most of the people where we lived saw it. My friends father saw it with his own eyes but still refused to believe it. There were doctors, police, etc. But he would not believe, he was a very Skeptical and negative person.

He could not allow his mind to believe something he saw with his own eyes. Multiple reports and questions to the airforce went unanswered.

Look forward to the day we know for sure.

The Bot

Originally posted by dlbott

Originally posted by AlienView
reply to post by JimOberg

 

No, that is not the main lesson. When it comes to UFOs and alien intelligence, and to many other subjects,
the main lesson is:

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time,
but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

-Abraham Lincoln

As to who is fooling who in the alien intelligence/UFO field we will have to wait for the aliens to finally settle it.
Many people believe this will happen, others say never and in the meantime we speculate on the truth.

And I will continue to take quotes given over the internet as basically accurate - until proven otherwise.

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Your wasting your time, proof means nothing to people who are this Skeptical. Can you imagine how miserable the people around them are. It is proven, negativity breeds negativity. Watch them say something about that too, lol.

He reminds me of a friends father. In the late 70's there was a ufo sighting where most of the people where we lived saw it. My friends father saw it with his own eyes but still refused to believe it. There were doctors, police, etc. But he would not believe, he was a very Skeptical and negative person.

He could not allow his mind to believe something he saw with his own eyes. Multiple reports and questions to the airforce went unanswered.

Look forward to the day we know for sure.

The Bot

I agree with you completely Bot but we have to be fair to those skeptics who have an open mind on the issue.
- they do have a right to be skeptical as we are still dealing with a phenomena whose origin and nature remains
unknown and still can not be defined - but because it can not be defined to me it can be called 'alien' and
because it often appears to act intelligently we can still claim the 'alien intelligence hypothesis' to be worth
considering. Quotes by scientist and astronauts who are trained to recognize the validity of natural phenomena
who then say and see the phenomena as unnatural make the subject more interesting - but for now let us balance our speculations by allowing the skeptics to voice theirs - the truth remains to be proven.

But I also agree there are some people whose minds are so closed on the subject of alien intelligence that
they would deny the existence of an alien even if he were staring him in the face and would conclude they
were hallucinating and/or losing their mind - maybe our hypothetical aliens understand and believe it is better
to remain cloaked from human consciousness - no sense overly exciting the natives.