Obama Tells Schools Not To Discipline Black Students For Bad Behavior

increasing general understanding of the causes of the educational challenges faced by African American students, whether they are in urban, suburban, or rural learning environments;

Oh, the nerve of that guy, trying to understand what the problems are!

increasing the percentage of African American children who enter kindergarten ready for success by improving their access to high-quality programs and services that enable early learning and development of children from birth through age 5;

OMG, how awful! Who does he think he is, wanting to increase the percentage of African American children who enter kindergarten to be ready for success! He's gonna ruin our country by doing that!

implementing successful and innovative education reform strategies and practices in America's public schools to ensure that African American students receive a rigorous and well-rounded education in safe and healthy environments, and have access to high-level, rigorous course work and support services that will prepare them for college, a career, and civic participation;

Yes, this is just terrible. I mean, why do we want to give African Americans a rigorous and well-rounded education anyway? He's killing us!

ensuring that all African American students have comparable access to the resources necessary to obtain a high-quality education, including effective teachers and school leaders, in part by supporting efforts to improve the recruitment, preparation, development, and retention of successful African American teachers and school leaders and other effective teachers and school leaders responsible for the education of African American students;

Is he crazy? We don't want African American students to have comparable access to the resources necessary to obtain a high quality education!! Who wants that?!? We only want to support efforts to hire white teachers and school leaders.

reducing the dropout rate of African American students and helping African American students graduate from high school prepared for college and a career, in part by promoting a positive school climate that does not rely on methods that result in disparate use of disciplinary tools, and by supporting successful and innovative dropout prevention and recovery strategies that better engage African American youths in their learning, help them catch up academically, and provide those who have left the educational system with pathways to reentry;

First of all, why does he think we care about reducing the dropout rate of African American students?!? No one wants to help them catch up academically (duh), and we certainly don't want to give them a pathway to reentry once they've left. One strike and you're out - for good!!

enhancing the educational and life opportunities of African Americans by fostering positive family and community engagement in education; reducing racial isolation and resegregation of elementary and secondary schools to promote understanding and tolerance among all Americans; improving the quality of, and expanding access to, adult education, literacy, and career and technical education; and increasing opportunities for education and career advancement in the fields of science, technology, engineering, and mathematics.

OMG, this is the worst one of all! Fostering positive family and community engagement in education? Ridiculous! We don't need no stinkin' family and community involved in education! There he goes again, trying to improve the quality of adult education, literacy and career and technical education... God knows why he's trying to increase opportunities for career advancement in the fields of science, technology, engineering and mathematics. Our country's doomed now....

reply to post by ButterCookie


All Obama is doing is promoting stupidity and criminal behavior in the African American community. I've been saying for a while now he's creating a welfare state. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer and the middle class completely disappears which means african americans will suffer more in the long run, because we all will. This man is not who people think he is, make no mistake America has jumped in bed with the Devil and it's too late to turn back.




I'm probably going to get crucified for this but oh well. Start banging the nails in!

reply to post by kaylaluv


Obama wants to give them everything instead of making them work for it, which will instill in the African American communities a sense of entitlement which will only weaken them, instead of teaching them work ethics and a desire to do better for themselves. There is no sense of accomplishment by being handed everything you ever desired or wanted in life, there is no appreciation for what you do have. All they will be left with is a gaping hole where those things would be. They will be denied that feeling of a good honest days work to where they will go home at the end of the day and feel more human because they were able to claw and fight their way to the top.

Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime.

Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
I am thinking that Travon Martin would still be alive had he been disciplined by his school.....

Possibly.

He didn't have the most functional of families though either....lots of factors went into why lil Tray Tray wanted to be thug..

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

Obama wants to give them everything instead of making them work for it, which will instill in the African American communities a sense of entitlement which will only weaken them, instead of teaching them work ethics and a desire to do better for themselves. There is no sense of accomplishment by being handed everything you ever desired or wanted in life, there is no appreciation for what you do have. All they will be left with is a gaping hole where those things would be. They will be denied that feeling of a good honest days work to where they will go home at the end of the day and feel more human because they were able to claw and fight their way to the top.

Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime.

They still have to do the work. Study and make the grades. All Obama was saying with that E.O. is give them an equal playing field. Have decent schools with decent teachers. A well-rounded curriculum. Access to good pre-schools. You can't teach a man to fish without a good teacher/lesson/place to teach.

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
I am thinking that Travon Martin would still be alive had he been disciplined by his school.....

Possibly.

He didn't have the most functional of families though either....lots of factors went into why lil Tray Tray wanted to be thug..

The biggest factor? Is because it is easier to be a criminal and a thug than it is to be an honest person and work by the sweat of your brow for what you do have. Easier to pimp hoes, and get good people hooked on drugs so you can rob them of their lives, health and what money they do have, than it is to grit their teeth and go back out into the cotton fields and make an honest wage. They have more now than they ever have had and what do they do with it? Go look in the prisons, gangs and drugs and killing people over sheer idiocy, the color of a rag.

reply to post by kaylaluv

OMG, how awful! Who does he think he is, wanting to increase the percentage of African American children who enter kindergarten to be ready for success! He's gonna ruin our country by doing that!

I don't know, Just maybe Obama didn't get the Memo.
But the Department of Education really doesn't need Mr. Obamas help, it has guide lines already in place to follow for all American Students.

In 2007-08, the Department's elementary and secondary school programs served approximately 55 million students (pre-K through grade 12) attending some 100,000 public schools and 34,000 private schools. Department programs also provided grant, loan and work-study assistance to about 10 million undergraduate students.

When Congress created the Department in 1979, it declared these purposes: to strengthen the Federal commitment to ensuring access to equal educational opportunity for every individual; to supplement and complement the efforts of States, the local school systems and other instrumentalities of the States, the private sector, public and private educational institutions, public and private nonprofit educational research institutions, community-based organizations, parents, and students to improve the quality of education; to encourage the increased involvement of the public, parents, and students in Federal education programs; to promote improvements in the quality and usefulness of education through federally supported research, evaluation, and sharing of information; to improve the coordination of Federal education programs; to improve the management and efficiency of Federal education activities, especially with respect to the process, procedures, and administrative structures for the dispersal of Federal funds, as well as the reduction of unnecessary and duplicative burdens and constraints, including unnecessary paperwork, on the recipients of Federal funds; and to increase the accountability of Federal education programs to the President, the Congress and the public. (Section 102, Public Law 96-88)

The 1960s saw even more expansion of federal education funding: President Lyndon Johnson's "War on Poverty" called for the creation of many programs to improve education for poor students at all levels—early childhood through postsecondary. This expansion continued in the 1970s with national efforts to help racial minorities, women, people with disabilities and non-English speaking students gain equal access to education. In October 1979, Congress passed the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88). Created by combining offices from several federal agencies, the Department began operations in May 1980.

So, looks like we're going to pay for a E O we don't need, the program has been in place for years.

In the 1860s, a budget of $15,000 and four employees handled education fact-finding. By 1965, the Office of Education had more than 2,100 employees and a budget of $1.5 billion. As of mid-2010, the Department has nearly 4,300 employees and a budget of about $60 billion.

OK, a budget of $60 billion
OP i'm not trying to derail your thread.
www2.ed.gov...

i would like to add a racist and an anti-racist comment to this thread.

first, the anti-racist comment: don't worry african americans, we love you.

second, the racist comment: we were friends with a black family. they had 3 boys. those boys were everywhere, all at once. they were on the roof. they were in the tree. they were down the road and back again. they had so much pent up energy, it was amazing to behold. now you put 3 boys with that much energy, in the public school system and force them to sit quietly thru hours of this

it's unrealistic to expect children in general to endure that, but to do so to people who are in high poverty areas, with very little home support....... what is the public school system thinking? if they want to teach, they should learn to tailor their studies to the students. active learning, learning that incorporates attention getting topics, INTERESTING learning. you can't treat all people the same across the face of the country. we are not cookie cutter people.

reply to post by kaylaluv

They still have to do the work. Study and make the grades. All Obama was saying with that E.O. is give them an equal playing field. Have decent schools with decent teachers. A well-rounded curriculum. Access to good pre-schools. You can't teach a man to fish without a good teacher/lesson/place to teach.

Where have you been the last 20 years? They've had an equal playing field for a long time. The problem is their socialization or lack thereof from their parents has taught them they don't have to try, coz the gov'ment goan take care of 'em.

Work for your bread or starve, that's the only thing that is going to teach anyone anything. Shoving your kid in front of the tv because you don't want to take the time to mess with them and teach them, is why this nation is in the poor state it is. Nickelodeon has become the parent, or BET or the Disney channel and in some cases, a computer and internet.

If you can't teach your child the ABC's, or help do basic math problems in primary school, that is your fault and no one elses. (Not directing this at you, just a generalization, I want to make that clear!).

Having the desire to learn and to want to learn, and learning to take the initiative is an important part of children's socialization while growing up that comes from the parents, those are the beginning things that help determine wether they succeed or fail in life.

Can anybody give me some advice on starting a petition to get this clown out of office? Does anybody know of any existing petitions? This is beyond belief, and about as racist as it gets.

Equal rights means equal behavior. I don't care what kind of background these kids come from, there's ZERO excuse for misbehavior in school. You're there to LEARN, nothing more.

I don't know if I'm more shocked by this or the fact that this racist still holds office.

reply to post by ButterCookie
This will have the same result(only I think worse) as Obamacare and the lack of doctors in that teachers will not teach in predominantly black schools in fear of there safety and parents will do what they have to in order to keep there kids safe (home school or move to other schools).

Point being the schools will loose money and not be able to hire teachers.

This is a coup for black students that don't want to be in school anyway but a disaster for black students that want an education.

What kind of a person does this? just because of a person's skin color they are except from discipline,............you can't get much more racist then this.

reply to post by guohua


So you admit they are worthwhile goals, you just think there's some duplication. Well, that's a step in the right direction anyway.

The E.O. does say this:

The Department shall provide funding and administrative support for the Commission, to the extent permitted by law and within existing appropriations

Honestly, the more I read the E.O., the more I realize it's just a "feel-good" effort. All items are admirable goals, but there's not a lot of beef to it. But to criticize the order as racist or bad for the black community is simply ridiculous.

Originally posted by kaylaluv
reply to post by guohua

 

So you admit they are worthwhile goals, you just think there's some duplication. Well, that's a step in the right direction anyway.

The E.O. does say this:

The Department shall provide funding and administrative support for the Commission, to the extent permitted by law and within existing appropriations

Honestly, the more I read the E.O., the more I realize it's just a "feel-good" effort. All items are admirable goals, but there's not a lot of beef to it. But to criticize the order as racist or bad for the black community is simply ridiculous.

Just why is it that the Executive Order in question uses the term African American so many times?

Could the use of that term be why people view it as racist?

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

They still have to do the work. Study and make the grades. All Obama was saying with that E.O. is give them an equal playing field. Have decent schools with decent teachers. A well-rounded curriculum. Access to good pre-schools. You can't teach a man to fish without a good teacher/lesson/place to teach.

Where have you been the last 20 years? They've had an equal playing field for a long time. The problem is their socialization or lack thereof from their parents has taught them they don't have to try, coz the gov'ment goan take care of 'em.

If you can't teach your child the ABC's, or help do basic math problems in primary school, that is your fault and no one elses. (Not directing this at you, just a generalization, I want to make that clear!).

Having the desire to learn and to want to learn, and learning to take the initiative is an important part of children's socialization while growing up that comes from the parents, those are the beginning things that help determine wether they succeed or fail in life.

A new report from the U.S. Department of Education documents that schools serving low-income students are being shortchanged because school districts across the country are inequitably distributing their state and local funds.

The analysis of new data on 2008-09 school-level expenditures shows that many high-poverty schools receive less than their fair share of state and local funding, leaving students in high-poverty schools with fewer resources than schools attended by their wealthier peers.

www.ed.gov...

Interestingly, one of the goals of the E.O. is to increase positive family engagement in the education process. Not so horrible a goal, is it?

reply to post by kaylaluv


i think what's bad is the way they teach people with problems. poverty stricken neighborhoods, whether white, black, red or yellow, always have more problems in school, and that is because their parents are either messed up themselves, or it's a single parent home and the single parent is working her/his butt off trying to survive in this crazy economy. they can expect problems when they try to teach them in the same manner as they teach more affluent schools, where the students have 2 parents with educations, time to invest and teach the child about social behaviors and etc.

let's look at this from the perspective of a dog. dogs are like humans, in that if they don't spend quality time with their moms as puppies, they end up having problems socializing with other life forms and become unruly and demanding. this problem surfaces most aggregiously in puppy mills, where the puppy is taken from its mother almost immediately after birth. that's our society in a nut shell. if public school systems are going to act as surrogates for the original mom, they better start with understanding their students and tailoring the classes.

reply to post by butcherguy


There are other E.O.s with initiatives for other minority races. What's your point?

I have criticized every president since Kennedy. I kinda liked Carter, but I still criticized him too. But nobody has called me a racist for it until Barak Obama became president.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

Where have you been the last 20 years? They've had an equal playing field for a long time. The problem is their socialization or lack thereof from their parents has taught them they don't have to try, coz the gov'ment goan take care of 'em.

An equal playing field for 20 years? When did it become equal then?

Originally posted by kaylaluv
reply to post by butcherguy

 

There are other E.O.s with initiatives for other minority races. What's your point?

Pretty simple.

We need a colorblind society, not one that singles out races for different treatment. Not too tough is it?

reply to post by undo


www.whitehouse.gov...

supporting efforts to improve the recruitment, preparation, development, and retention of successful African American teachers and school leaders and other effective teachers and school leaders responsible for the education of African American students;

A good idea, no?