Israel's New Chief Rabbi Makes Racist Remark

Originally posted by Logarock

Originally posted by Shiloh7
Israelis are as mixed a society as everyone else's and we all have our 'dinosaurs' we could well do without.

I do think that the Torah has some terribly racist teachings which are shameful as its teachings permits dishonour and dishonesty towards all non Jews, so what the Rabbi was saying is something, Jewish people obviously are thinking about in today's world and who they choose as allies.

Well there is a context here. When it comes to the Torah they see the keeping of it something of the greatest importance that was committed to their tribe many years ago. In that context they probably don't even consider the Apollo missions to the moon something to be desired over the study of same.

I guess Nazis could also have argued that there was context for their ethnic/eugenic/religious proscriptions in keeping with Mein Kampf.

What on earth does the Apollo mission have to do with the ugly racism of Israeli Jewish religious leaders? That's some obscure spin you're putting on this issue. The bottom line is: you're defending these loathsome, racist Jewish religious leaders (I'm talking specifically about the two rabbis discussed in my OP; in no way am I suggesting all Jewish rabbis -- or even all Israeli rabbis -- are racist or bigoted) and the hateful speech they spew. And for your information, in most people's book, anyone defending a racist is generally considered a racist at heart.

Wow
I cant believe this
Some people are racist
Struth. lucky I dont know any racists. I would hate them
Racists are always white Caucasians, stoopid white Caucasians, there all the same..

This is so silly, there are racists everywhere and in every society, not just Jews and Caucasians.

What a sensationalist msm thread

Originally posted by borntowatch
Wow
I cant believe this
Some people are racist
Struth. lucky I dont know any racists. I would hate them
Racists are always white Caucasians, stoopid white Caucasians, there all the same..

This is so silly, there are racists everywhere and in every society, not just Jews and Caucasians.

What a sensationalist msm thread

Yeah, Haaretz, The Jerusalem Post and Jewish Daily Forward are so MSM here in the US. Apparently you haven't bothered to read the full OP or later posts of mine in this thread. Yeah, sure, there's racism amongst folk of all colors and religions, across the world, but when it is the state-appointed leader of the state's official religion making gratuitous racial slurs -- as well as other prominent religious leaders -- then it becomes a much more odious issue that points to systemic racism in a society.

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There is a chance he could be more Jewish than is appreciated.

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And this surprises anyone? It's sick and disgusting, but not surprising. Thankfully, not all Jew's believe what this tool believes. It seems like we let all the wrong people in power, worldwide.

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I did mention the Torah and would recommend you have a look through it. You will see that it encourages Jews to treat nonJews by swindling them, disrespecting their daughters, taking their businesses etc etc etc. This is still current teaching and should be exposed for the racial implications that non-Jews are monkeys or animals and deserve to be treated as so. It also says that it is alright to have intercourse with young non-Jewish children and that is something for thought.

Most Jews would never consider some of these teachings or indeed live by them, but you have some extremists in all walks of life and race who like these ghastly old teachings and we should remember they seem to percolate from the various religions which makes these old teachings even sicker for me.

It can't be easy for Netanyahu to smile so openly to the Americans when he opens his hand for aid and weapons.

That Rabbi might be young but his thinking is not.

Originally posted by MrInquisitive

Originally posted by borntowatch
Wow
I cant believe this
Some people are racist
Struth. lucky I dont know any racists. I would hate them
Racists are always white Caucasians, stoopid white Caucasians, there all the same..

This is so silly, there are racists everywhere and in every society, not just Jews and Caucasians.

What a sensationalist msm thread

Yeah, Haaretz, The Jerusalem Post and Jewish Daily Forward are so MSM here in the US. Apparently you haven't bothered to read the full OP or later posts of mine in this thread. Yeah, sure, there's racism amongst folk of all colors and religions, across the world, but when it is the state-appointed leader of the state's official religion making gratuitous racial slurs -- as well as other prominent religious leaders -- then it becomes a much more odious issue that points to systemic racism in a society.

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Yeah well...
To many beers and not enough reading is my excuse

Friday night here...nearly

Them Jews sound like the US govt to me.

I would link Obamas racism but thats well documented hearabouts

Originally posted by MrInquisitive

I didn't know that the current party in power is the Party of Zion.

Yeah, it is. Well that's not how it's called today, of course, but Likud's the new version, really. According to Wikipedia:

Zionism emerged in the late 19th century in central and eastern Europe as a national revival movement, and soon after this most leaders of the movement associated the main goal with creating the desired state in Palestine, then an area controlled by the Ottoman Empire.[2][3][4] Since the establishment of the State of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily to advocate on behalf of the Jewish state and address threats to its continued existence and security.

A quote from Nethanyahu:

Netanyahu has characterized Pollard as "a warmhearted Jew, proud and a real Zionist.

And Bibi's grandfather, Nathan Mileikowsky was a zionist...

At the age of 20 Mileikowsky began promoting Zionism in the Siberia region, following a request to do so by the Zionist leader Yechiel Chlenov.[1] In the following years Mileikowsky continued to engage in Zionist propaganda and in addition gave speeches against the "Bund" movement and against other socialist Jewish anti-Zionist movements. During the sixth Zionist Congress Mileikowsky was among the opponents of the "Uganda Programme, despite belonging to the Theodor Herzl camp.
In 1908 Mileikowsky moved to Poland and became the director of the Hebrew Gymnasium of Mordechai Yaakov Krinsky in Warsaw, while he continuing to promoting Zionism in Poland. He went through hundreds of towns and was considered one of the most popular Zionist speakers.

And so was Bibi's own father, Benzion Netanyahu:

During his studies, Netanyahu became active in Revisionist Zionists circles, and a close friend to Abba Ahimeir.[6] He was coeditor of Betar a Hebrew monthly (1933–1934), then editor of the Revisionist Zionist daily newspaper Ha-Yarden in Jerusalem (1934–1935).[2] The British Mandate authorities ordered that paper to close.[dubious – discuss][7] He was editor at the Zionist Political Library, Jerusalem and Tel-Aviv, 1935–1940. He traveled to New York and became the secretary to Ze'ev Jabotinsky, the father of the Revisionist Zionism movement.[8][9] Shortly thereafter, when Jabotinsky died, Netanyahu remained in New York and continued his Revisionist activities. He was executive director New Zionist Organization of America in New York 1940–1948

And now... Likud itself:

Ideology:

Zionism
Secularism[1]
Neo-Zionism
Conservatism
National Liberalism
Revisionist Zionism

(...)

Likud promotes a revival of Jewish culture, in keeping with the principles of Revisionist Zionism.

Cheers,

Swan

Originally posted by Shiloh7
This is still current teaching and should be exposed for the racial implications that non-Jews are monkeys or animals and deserve to be treated as so.

Respectfully... The Quran says that jews are monkeys and swine. The Quran promotes racism. The Jews have all rights to possess a land where they can finally escape worldwide persecution.

The 10 commandments, which you find in the Torah, were of major importance to set morality standards which I see many other religions are lacking.

I agree, extremism is never good. But remember if you have rights, they should have the same rights too.

Look at this "might makes right" mindset, which is far worst than the Torah. "Might Makes Right" sparked Nazism, LaVeyan Satanism, etc. If you think the Torah is bad, then I suggest you take a look at what unethical science, as promoted by might makes right philosophy, accomplished:

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In I think 2011 there was a lot of trouble when 2 Rabbi's were questioned about the Torah and racism that had been printed. Can't remember all the details but the secular Jews and the ultra orthodox Jews saw the matter very differently, but it boils down to some very unpleasant bits within the Torah eg and in short 98a Yebamoth: Children of goys are animals. etc etc to show my point earlier.

Interestingly its both the Jews and Muslims that have the verses that separate each group respectively from the rest of the world's religions and non-believers, in short they like a religious supremacy. Interestingly The Torah hates Jesus because he reversed the Torah's teachings with the 'love your neighbour as yourself' etc which was not the Torah's teachings at all. The Church questioned Jews in the Middle Ages and asking them to explain theTorah's teachings concerning non Jews. They wriggled and had to admit certain passage they could not quite explain.

Most people are past that kind of religious hatred, but in all the desert religions you have a hard-core set that would align themselves to beliefs of this kind as many who demonstrated in Israel 2011 showed - (many had not even seen the Torah that the Rabbi's were questioned about, they just wanted it kept.

You can look through world history and find evils against humanity from Polpot, Stalin, Hitler back to Vlad the Impaler and so on. It always boils down to one thing though, mainly religious men and also Emporers, Kings and Leaders who want people to follow and obey them, love a set of rules they demand everyone adheres to. They make those rules just for their own people to follow and all outsiders are scum. Little changes except we are becoming citizens of the world.

Today we try to change that position and slowly we are turning a corner but its at a snail's pace and I don't honestly believe man was originally this way inhclined and wouldhelp his neighbours and strangers just out of his good nature. Once we started to get separated into different tribes, groups countries trouble started.

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Thanks for the suggestion. Some day when I haven't much else to do -- that includes picking lint out of my belly button -- I might try getting around to reading passages from The Torah, The Koran and The Old Testament, but I'm not making any promises. They're all written a long time ago and consequently there are going to be some crazy and nasty things in them. Sometimes, when I am in an obstreperous mood, I do point out disconcerting things in the Bible to Christians, and I guess for equality's sake I should learn me a little of the Torah and the Koran, so I can do the same to monotheists of these two persuasions as well.

The fact is that all of these holy books have unsavory passages. Islamophobes like to cite bad stuff in the Qu'ran but most are aware of, or don't care to mention, equally disconcerting passages from the Old Testament or the Torah. Why people subscribe to these religions that are based on so much crazy stuff is beyond me. I don't buy the argument that one can pick and choose the good stuff out of these books and live one's life by those tenets. The fact that the prime holy book of a religion has psychotic stuff in it should suggest to any sensible person that the religion has systemic problems that give people the rationalization to do very bad things to their fellow human beings because their holy book says it's so.

I find the fact that Israel has a state religion to be very disconcerting. I am quite aware of the fact that Judaism is really just a religion and that Jews are not really a ethnic group, but a religious one. The fact that Israel has a state religion and bases itself as a country primarily for one religion makes it a bit of a theocracy, something I don't care for because such a state will inevitably discriminate against people not subscribing to this religion or fitting the ethnic/racial profile of said religion. The offensive racial remarks by one of Israel top two state rabbis, and the government's defense this rabbi for what he said bears this out.

Kushim in Hebrew means an ethiopian. Moses's wife is called a Ku#e in the Bible.
Derogatory indeed. Haters gonna hate

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Kushim in Hebrew means an ethiopian. Moses's wife is called a Ku#e in the Bible.
Derogatory indeed. Haters gonna hate

Maybe someone needs to remind the Rabbi that their greatest prophets wife was Kushim.

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What interests me about the religiously disposed and especially the priesthoods involved, is that these passages have been allowed to stay in the teachings right up to today. That gives one message its still OK but we will wriggle and won't make a big thing of it.

Its not OK because these passages influence some of the most brainwashed and simple minded people in existence when it comes to their private beliefs. It doesn't matter if your thinking is top A grade in maths, science, banking whatever, your religious conditioning is not when it comes from books that give clear, offensive racial instructions on how you treat people not of your religion.

The original books can easily be kept away and a book not encouraging such behaviour and thinking would probably benefit all.

A small point on many Christians regarding reading the bible, how many do you actually know that have read it cover to cover?

Originally posted by Shiloh7
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What interests me about the religiously disposed and especially the priesthoods involved, is that these passages have been allowed to stay in the teachings right up to today. That gives one message its still OK but we will wriggle and won't make a big thing of it.

Its not OK because these passages influence some of the most brainwashed and simple minded people in existence when it comes to their private beliefs. It doesn't matter if your thinking is top A grade in maths, science, banking whatever, your religious conditioning is not when it comes from books that give clear, offensive racial instructions on how you treat people not of your religion.

The bible doesn't actually teach racism. As was pointed out Moses had an Ethiopian wife as well as Solomon. Solomon could be call many things but his love for ladies not of his tribe was well known. And this history was not hidden. The bad parts were not hidden either. Many Jewish men took wives from the Moabite tribe and others. None of these Jews really cared what anyone thought about their interracial marriages. Taking these case and others one could as easily make the case that Jews were not racists.

Originally posted by Logarock
Many Jewish men took wives from the Moabite tribe and others. None of these Jews really cared what anyone thought about their interracial marriages. Taking these case and others one could as easily make the case that Jews were not racists.

Exactly.

People should stop obsessing with the few bad parts of a book (here the Torah), and, instead, start getting around the true message.

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A close look will show that the race issues recorded here are like they are anywhere else. A tribe and its racial identity and how some members handled it. You will find the same general story in any race. To tribe or not to tribe.

The law also has instructions on how to make a non-Israelite a citizen of Israel. The issues was never technically a racial thing. The man that oversaw the building of the first temple, and most of the men that labored on Solomon's building projects was not even Israeli for Petes sake.

Originally posted by swanne

Originally posted by Logarock
Many Jewish men took wives from the Moabite tribe and others. None of these Jews really cared what anyone thought about their interracial marriages. Taking these case and others one could as easily make the case that Jews were not racists.

Exactly.

People should stop obsessing with the few bad parts of a book (here the Torah), and, instead, start getting around the true message.

In all honesty I ask: how does one distinguish the bad parts of a book from its true message? That seems to be a very subjective proposition.

In addition there are people who are quite happy to point out the bad parts of the religious book of the religion they detest, i.e. The Qu'ran, but won't acknowledge the unsavory passages in the other two Abrahamic religions' books.

Then there is the fact that people are using holy books to justify their oppression and ethnic cleansing of another people, i.e. the Israeli Jews and their decades-long campaign for Lebensraum against the Palestinians.

Originally posted by dashen
Kushim in Hebrew means an ethiopian. Moses's wife is called a Ku#e in the Bible.
Derogatory indeed. Haters gonna hate

Perhaps that is what it meant originally, far be it from me to say for sure. In any case the meaning of the word has changed. The fact that Jewish Israelis in the Knesset and spokespeople for other groups have criticized this remark by the rabbi would seem to suggest that the word now has a derogatory meaning. As I also said, I did a search and found some forums in which it was the consensus that this word is offensive -- I'm talking forums where some of the posts were in Hebrew, so these are sites that Hebrew speakers contribute to.

Further, I doubt that all the black basketball players on Israel's basket ball teams are Ethiopian.

In German there is some archaic term for a black African, some form of the word "Nubian". It is no longer polite to use this term either.

That a word was used over two thousand years ago in the Bible to describe people of a certain ethnicity doesn't make it ok to use the term now to describe all people of a certain skin color. For that matter, the Bible says slaves should respect their masters. Why anyone would use a 2000-year-old book to defend current-day ethnic slurs is beyond me.

Nor does your lame excuse for this repugnant rabbi explain why he had to throw in this racial remark in the first place. I doubt every member of Israel's basketball teams are black, let alone Ethiopian. He could have just said that good, Torah-reading Jews don't spend Sabbath evening watching t.v or even watching basketball on t.v., but he said watching Kushim playing basketball on t.v., which seems to suggest it was even a lower thing because it was watching black people playing basketball on t.v.

Derogatory it clearly was indeed. Defenders of and apologists for racists are going to defend and apologize for racists.

Face it, people trying to defend what this rabbi said, there is no defense for it and your attempts at defending it just show how absurd it is to try to do so.