DARPA to Genetically Engineer Humans by Adding a 47th Chromosome

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Get one of those new apache's . Yo bro!

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If I have coms to vector the bird cool.

Originally posted by starheart
reply to post by s4196606

 

But doesn't people with 47 chromosomes already exists? I can't remember where, but I read that trisomic people had 1 chromosome too much (thus 47 instead of 46). Is it true?

And if yes, a 47th chromosome didn't exactly made them better than the average human (no offense meant), and certainly didn't made them 10x better physically or mentally.

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I just wanted to to say the same thing here. A quote from Wikipedia.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Down syndrome (DS) or Down's syndrome, also known as trisomy 21, is a genetic disorder caused by the presence of all or part of a third copy of chromosome 21.[1] Down syndrome is the most common chromosome abnormality in humans. [2]

Originally posted by burntheships
Who wants to eat poop?

I bet you already do - both through small amounts of poop-matter in the air and poop that has been recycled through plants......we're eating human poop, cow poop, dinosaur poop.

not to mention fish and bird poop in water!

if you haven't watched it ..

do so and watch it again .. maybe even a 3rd time just to be sure

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That was a really decent movie, I watched it in its entirety a few months back.
I highly recommend watching. Thank you for the trailer!

To anyone reading this thread in some future mishap on there meanderings around the ATS forums. It will become quite obvious that this thread is about genetic engineering and tinkering. And off-course dolphins, oh ya ts just mostly about dolphins.

Scientists have grown the first Hamburger in a petri dish. Fareed on CNN thinks it will save humanity.

If we could grow humans, not just add one chromosome, then we could eradicate all disease. We could make all humans infertile, since we would have a new means to reproduce, under much better controlled variables. We would be able to eliminate hunger because only those with the required financial resources would get access to the petri dish. No more need for abortions either.

Originally posted by ThinkingHuman

We could make all humans infertile, since we would have a new means to reproduce, under much better controlled variables. We would be able to eliminate hunger because only those with the required financial resources would get access to the petri dish.

The question must be asked, what becomes of the human soul?

You know it is said that this has already happened in a place, deep black.
Said that they already reproduce them....the problem is they are not quite
human enough to unleash yet. They are said to be lacking the "human"
nature, to such a degree they operate only with a hive mind, no ability
to love, or have feelings as we know them.

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Sounds like a plan for a new slave race.

To replace workers after depopulation.

reply to post by xuenchen


Yes, or an "alien" invasion.

Somewhere in New Mexico, deep deep.

Timing is everything!

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What is the secret of Soylent Green?

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What is the secret of Soylent Green?

Well that solves the food shortage problem....

What WILL Monsanto do

Originally posted by xuenchen

What WILL Monsanto do

Expand!
Or... Revert! Monsanto, from the folks who brought us Agent Orange!
( hint they were a chemical company )

Watch till about 3:30, it will come to you.

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If the movie were true, say for example today, would it be possible to keep it secret?

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Not with people like me around.

Not even considering the obvious comparison of taste, cost and practibility...
there is the question of the environmental impact. How many lab techs
and labratories would need to be in operation to product shmeat, enough
for the amount of people we have?

Why do it? Because we can? Ok, I can see that for experiment
purposes, after all its only muscle tissue, who cares?

But lets be reasonable, 300,000 for a burger?
www.rdmag.com...

Imagine the impact that would have on the economy?
No low paying jobs for trucking. farming, meat processing,
butcher, etc. Just lab techs. Sure someday they might get the price down,
but not as cheap as Mc D's.

And....blech!

I think they've realized that normal humans can't exist in space, due to the high radiation and DARPA wants to create a 'Space Faring' humanoid, which can resist that radiation and will find long periods of isolation and confinement to not be a problem.

The idea of super soldiers is compelling but they're now able to deal with that vector by using RPVs.

Combat clones with excised emotional sensory information.Think "Soldier" maybe a kid who disappeared and was used for experimental combat conditioning.

Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
reply to post by Wolfenz

 

Ya its a slippery slope dude.

Take the Brain For instance!! for an Ape to have Intellect like a Human just Wrap around more Cell Neurons X-3 times 3 More Quantity more Quality !

True in a way, but you would still have to somehow ingrave everything else, a brain is not a mind. Even human infants pretty much everying is thought or learned or ingrained by there parents surroundings and society. I you were to just somehow make a ape with the possibility of an intellect of a human ie a bigger brain. It will like be like when you take a wild animal and put it in a cage, that is it will likely rage be confused as hell and eventually die if of nothing but that fact it does not belong in a world were only it is of a kind with no parallels to draw from. As the human mind is nothing but a machine that constantly draws parallels, if you were to somehow make the brain of a chimp bigger and like a human it will still be nothing but a primitive animal unless thought otherwise.

People do not take in account the fact that there is also an evolutionary process lock and step between animals and there surroundings, without such a thing you would likely create a monster literally, something which can draw no parallels from anything and something which would have to evolve a whole new onset of codes and pretty much everything humans have evolved throughout the centuries and eons.

Adding more chromosomes really wont do much unless within a set parameter it is programed to do something there in. We already have a mass of junk DNA which apparently does nothing, of which at one time did something, and probably continues to do something unbeknownst to us. Which is why this all what the op is talking about and what people are arguing about on this thread has to have a purpose, a specific coding and programing, and more so a specific purpose for it to work. Kind of like your link of the Nazi scientist who help induce more twins in Brazil. Though creating twins really would not be that hard, they have already created clones of sheep and other animals, which is merely a copy and paste job. But installing specific traits within those clones is a whole nother thing altogether.

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thanks for having the time for reading ..

The bigger the brain is not always better its not the mass as some people think it the what in it that is more !
as I like I said wrap 3 times more Neurons cell in a Apes Brain as in the more Dense instead of mass
Then you may have a human like brain this is kind of fact as Scientist have theorized and proven it
as we now have the basic steps of bio engineering from Beast to Plant an real Dr Moreneu that HG Well could not Fathom !! as you have said about the cage the Experience and learning Processes... Some what like planet of the Apes !! Or a Secret of NIM Scenario... Who the Hell Knows what goes On in the Underground of Science ... With Chromosomes it nothing to do with upgrades it has to do with what in the genes of the dna and the building blocks as in the Make up of Design ... The Junk DNA that we Do have is Left Overs of what we where or sort of Speak what the Mixture of what we hominids and Apes Were .. and another Species you know that 3 percent Difference between man and Ape Some think its retrovirus that apes don't have .. The Junk DNA does Nothing Yes non Active but with another Species or say.... Out of this World .. it may be.. with Certain Genes We Now can Create Hybrid to Chimeras with altering or mixing Adding Adapting Splicing etc ....

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Not even that really more does not necessarily mean better. Its the way its designed, really. Cant really think of a good analogy but there thinking in terms of more more = bigger and badder. When that may only be one factor in millions of factors which the same things can be applied and configured to achieve an end, for instance its thinking from the top on downward, when all machines inducing biology works from the bottom on to the top or from the micro up to the macro.

I mean it literally is changing the function of what is already there around a bit and not even upgrading it but making it more smooth or more efficient, or in some cases changing the whole schematic around to achieve exactly the same thing only on a completely different level.

For instance these guys want to make a super strong hulk mouse or man, so what they do is import gene triggers or modify or cut some signals off to improve on muscle mass which in there mind is equated to strength.
hulk protein mousey


However strength alone is not equatable to muscle mass in and of itself its a bunch of things working in perfect synchronization which achieves that end. Literally if you can make the nano cells of your muscles contract a bit faster and more efficiently on the micro scale, it will increase strength and your reflexes on the macro scale. Or given that fact that at those levels the muscle cells themselves move through water which is equivalent of you swimming through syrup, if you take a bit of the synthetic approach and have them in a vacuum were they can move about without exerting anywhere as much energy it will in many ways like comparing the very first computers which were ever made which took up rooms in some lab somewhere of which your cellphone is 1000x more capable then then and in the palm of your hand.

So ya you could just pack on muscle on top of muscle and make a guy weight 1000 pounds and 8 feet tall literally of muscle only, a hulk lifting up cars and pulling airplanes full of people. Or you can change the way those muscles operate and function and have a scrawny average in muscle density looking 6 feet man be able to achieve the same ends. Though all of that not is not only muscles only but the way the body is designed the material it works with and the very shape of it, so even if you make a guy grow to be 8 feet and 1000 pounds of muscles the bone structure and everything would break down as it can not support it.

But if you change everything around and a bit including bone structure or even what bones are made of and such you can achieve the same things in much higher outputs, so ya in a way this whole adding more chromosomes is exactly that, on paper it sounds fine. In reality it may be a whole different matter, and for all they know there could be ways to make DNA function in much higher calibrations or ways, without adding anything to it or any more strings at all, but merely just rearranging a few things around. On a nano and quantum scale less can often translate to more on the macro scale. Its in a way what processing power and the way it works and theories behind it in your computer is based on and why now a days your computer does not take up your whole room.

protein based nano motors