Michael Hastings – “Foul Play Or Not” – Do you have a plausible theory?

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This is "through J" ... will get the next batch in a while.

Abby Martin - @AbbyMartin
Adam Heff – @geekchicohio
Adam Goldman - @adamgoldmanap (multi)
Adam Rawnsley - @arawnsley
Adrian Chen - @AdrianChen
alan rusbridger - @arusbridger
Alex Burns - @aburnspolitico
Alex Conant - @alexConant
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Alex Vadukul - @alexVadukul
Alexis Ohanian - @alexisohanian
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Alice Suh - @Alspyie (twice)
Alyona - @AlyonaMink (big-multi)
Amy Vernon - @AmyVernon
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Andi Leadership - @AndiLeadership
Andrea Mitchell - @mitchellreports
Andrew Kaczynski - @BuzzFeedAndrew (multi)
AnotherSlyfox Chris - @AnotherSlyfox
Anthony De Rosa - @AntDeRosa (twice)
Aria Ahrary - @aria_ahrary
Ashley McCollum - @McCollumAshley
Avi Zaleon - @avi_zaleon
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Barry Choom - @rapidcraft
Ben Smith - @BuzzFeedBen (multi)
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Bouzar - @aminabouzar
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Brett - @QuietAmerican55
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Camille Santochi - @omitofo
Charles P. Pierce - @ESQPolitics
Charlie Savage - @charlie_savage
Charlie Warzel - @cwarzel
Charlsey - @just_jotter
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Chris Heller - @c_heller
Chris Jones - @MySecondEmpire
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Craig Kanalley - @ckanal
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Daniel - @dan_verg_
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David - @perceivdinsight (antagonist)
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E McMorris-Santoro - @EvanMcSan
Elizabeth White - @Celitique
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erniesfo - @erniesfo
Frank Rich - @frankrichny
Free Barrett Brown - @FreeBarrett_
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Greg Sargent - @ThePlumLineGS
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jamie k - @jkbloodtreasure
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Jay Watts III - @jaywattsiii
Jeffrey Goldberg - @JeffreyGoldberg
Jen Robinson - @suigenerisjen (twice)
Jennifer Granholm - @JenGranholm
Jenny Churchill - @JennyChurchill
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Jim Dao - @jimdao
Jim Roberts - @nycjim
Joan Walsh - @joanwalsh
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Joe Macare - @exileinflyville
Joe Trippi - @JoeTrippi
Joel Gehrke - @Joelmentum
Joey Vendetti - @vendo33
John Glaser - @jwcglaser
John Herrman - @jwherrman (twice)
John Koblin - @koblin
john r stanton - @dcbigjohn (twice)
Jon Steinberg - @jonsteinberg (twice)
Jon Ward - @jonward11
Jonah Peretti - @peretti
Jonathan Ringen - @JohnathanRingen
Jordan Zakarin - @jordanzakarin
Joseph Weisenthal - @TheStalwart
Josh Gerstein - @joshgerstein
Juan Cole - @jricole
Julian Sanchez - @normative

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Here are - "K through Z".

Kacey - @FlaniganKc
Kenneth P. Vogel - @kenvogel
Kenny Shalom - @DOANationKid
Kevin Krooss - @KevinKrooss
Kristen Welker - @kwelkernbc
Kyrsten Sinema - @kyrstensinema
Leonora Epstein - @leonoraepstein (twice)
Lex Valeria-Horatio - @subverzo
Liberationtech - @Liberationtech
linksteroh - @linksteroh
Liz Sly - @LizSly
Lizzie O'Leary -@lizzieohreally
Lorenzo IRL - @lorenzoae
M. Night Shyamalan - @MNightShyamalan
Mac McClelland - @MacMcClelland
Marco Rubio - @marcorubio
MARK - @MARKT11
Mark Ames - @MarkAmesExiled
Martin Bashir - @BashirLive
Matt Apuzzo - @mattapuzzo
Matt Farwell - @mattbfarwell (twice)
Matthew Cooper - @mattizcoop
Matthew Isles - @matthewisles
Matthew Perpetua - @perpetua
Matthieu Aikins - @mattaikins
max read - @max_read (twice)
McKay Coppins - @mckaycoppins (big multi)
Meghan McCain - @MeghanMcCain
(241 Tweets by @mmhastings)
Michael Moore - @MMFlint (twice)
Michael Shank - @Michael_Shank
Michael van Poppel @mpoppel
Michele LassauxHarla - @MicheleLassauxH
Michelle B. Van Dyke - @michellebvd
Mike Hayes - @michaelhayes (multi)
msnbc video - @msnbcvideo
Muck Rack - @muckrack
N S Webster - @NWEmbed (twice)
Naheed Mustafa - @NaheedMustafa
NBC Nightly News - @nbcnightlynews
Nerdy Wonka - @NerdyWonka (antagonist - multi)
newsjunkie365 - @newsjunkie365
Nick Denton - @nicknotned
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Office of the DNI - @ODNIgov
Oliver Stone - @TheOliverStone
Pami From Miami - @PamiFroMiami
Patia Garder - @PattieGardner
Patrick - @thedailygruel
Patrick Gaspard - @patrickgaspard
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Peter Dmytrenko - @curiouser_georg
Philip Gourevitch - @Pgourevitch
Piers Morgan - @piersmorgan
POLITICO - @politico (twice)
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Poynter - @Poynter
Ppl call me Lucifer - @monkeyofdarknes
PW Reviews - @PWreviews
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Ramesh Ponnuru - @RameshPonnuru
Rania Khalek - @RaniaKhalek
raysawhill - @raysawhill
Reid J. Epstein - @reidepstein
Remi Brulin - @Rbrulin
Renata Avila - @avilarenata
Richard Rushfield - @richardrushfield
Rick Wilson - @TheRickWilson (twice)
Ron Fournier - @ron_fournier
Ron Wyden - @RonWyden
Ronan Farrow - @RonanFarrow
Rosie Gray - @RosieGray
Ruby Cramer - @rubycramer (multi)
Rupert Murdoch - @rupertmurdoch
Rusty Cannon - @RustyCannon
Ryan Broderick - @ryanpbroderick
Ryan Lizza - @RyanLizza
Saeed Shah - @saeedShah
Sam Gusting - @samgustin
samir mesrahi - @samir (twice)
Sarah Schlesinger - @SarahJSchles
Sasha's FaceBlog - @SashasFaceBlog
Scott Johnson - @scott_c_johnson (twice)
Scott Lamb - @scottlamb
Sloan Eddleston - @eddlest (antagonist)
Smartypants - @Smartypants32
southpaw - @nycsouthpaw
Stefan Becket - @stefanjbecket (twice)
Stephen Hayes - @stephenfhayes
Steve Clemons - @SCClemons
Summer Anne Burton - @summeranne (multi)
Susan Singer, SCPM - @SusanSingerSCPM
Tarita Coles - @TaritaC
Tavis Smiley - @tavissmiley
Team Mitch - @Team_Mich
Teddy Wilson - @txindyjourno
The Associated Press - @AP
The Bureau - @TBIJ
The Guardian - @guardian
The Young Turks - @TheYoungTurks
Tom Gara - @tomgara
Tommy Vietor - @TVietor08
Trevor Timm - @trevortimm (twice)
TYT Network - @TYTNetwork (twice)
Uche - @3ristar
UP Pastry Plate - @UPPastryPlate (multi)
Up w/ Steve Kornacki - @upwithsteve (multi)
Valerie Jarrett - @vj44
Victor Balta - @VictorBalta
Viewpoint - @ViewpointCTV
WhiteHousePressCorps - @whpresscorps (multi)
WikiLeaks - @wikileaks
Wil Wheaton - @Wilw (twice *)
William Gibson - @GreatDismal
Zaid Jilani - @ZaidJilani (twice)

barabajagal
...After reading EJ "took @BobbySneakers after MH death ... and has given a new account name" I went looking. I am confused by the new account name. Can you add any insight to accounts?

Don't think I'll be of much assistance on the accounts & account names...etc... My thought was that when she acquired Bobby Sneakers after MH's death...she didn't have the account credentials that MH had used, and had to create another account that she controlled. (Don't know if that addresses your question...?)

...The posts from the Jan 25 office visit at BuzzFeed led me to a flicker/Instagram photo by Summer Burton that has an odd caption. "MH corgi puppy is in office right now and I'm dead bye ok #rip". I am assuming this was posted after his death?...

I believe Summer Anne' puppy-sat Bobby Sneakers on occasion. Can't speak to the rest...

...
There was a comment credited 3 months ago to a mstuomel. Comment "aww" seemed a bit odd to me. Nikki Tuomela seems to be mstuomel. Looking at his twitter history is interesting. Seems out of place for their usual contacts and commenters. He seems very interested in NSA, Snowden, Greenwald, etc. I keep getting knocked off his tweeting history on or around July 7. No mention of MH that I noticed. Could not go any further back in his tweeting history. ...

I'm not even finding "Nikki Tuomela" in my searches...

...Twitter history of EJ (Elise Jordan@Elise_Jordan) is similar to MH. Seems primarily professional in nature. Would be interested in comparing her contacts and retweets to MH. A quick look leads me of a list much different. Her contacts seem mainstream and conservative compared to MH.
...Any other info on social media accounts for either would be appreciated. I recommend people look at MH Vine account. ...

Elise did work as a speech writer for Condoleezza Rice at some point during the Bush years... Not only that - but for the NSA, in charge of something to do with Public Relations (?)...

reply to post by WanDash


Thanks very much for the twitter list. That will save much time.

mstuomel comment was to a picture by Summer Burton. I think you are correct about her dog setting. I believe this picture was taken at the Jan 25 office visit. The caption under it is what drew my attention. I find response odd. The name should be Mikko Tuomela, not Nikko, sorry. Not accusing him of anything. Find his twitter account strange. Probably a different level of intellect from me. Much of it seems disjointed. I wonder if some of it is code? He states he is a PhD student in Champaign Il. Why of all the things to comment on about MH death would he choose a picture of the Corgi?

barabajagal
...The name should be Mikko Tuomela, not Nikko, sorry.
...Why of all the things to comment on about MH death would he choose a picture of the Corgi?

I do not know these answers.
Did you find this on vine.co ?
I still have not found the referenced "comment". Could you post the url/link?
Thanks!

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Wow, after spending the last several days reading Tweets 'til I'm Damn Near blind, I did find one little interesting thing .. . .. .

Believe me, that S[SHIP]T branches out like a fractal. I think I have read about a million and 1 freaking tweets trying to find anything of interest. Ya know, it really makes you nutZ when you don't know what you are looking for.

Anyways,

I stumbled on a tweet about Barrett Brown. There were actually 2 tweets in a row that had links to a page 1 and a page 2 regarding evidence that is being used against Barrett Brown in a Pending Court Hearing. (I also found a copy of a gag order there regarding his case as well).

Then I followed a link to another user and somewhere along the line I found this tweet:

People's whose phone calls with Barrett used as evidence today: @ageis @vivienweisman @ggreenwald @patrickmcguire @edpilkington @mmhastings

Retweeted by Jesselyn Radack
Expand Jesselyn Radack ‏@JesselynRadack 4 Sep

Upon seeing this I immediately went back to try and find the other pages that I had found regarding the Barrett Brown evidence.

I'll Be Damned. .. . .. . . I can't find the page.

It is like a G*d D@mned Maze in there .. .. .. .. ..

Maybe it doesn't really mean anything, but I thought that it was interesting to me.

I have addressed the primary issues I have with both arguments (in general)…
With “Foul Play” – it’s “the logistics”.
With “No Foul Play” – it’s “the logic”.

We can quibble over “why” logic is an unnecessary argument…when “insanity” (or its numerous relatives) are at play…but…we would still need some adequate “cause” to accept that “insanity” (or its various relatives) were at play – for the quibbling to be worth the effort.

My experience with & exposure to “delusion”…suggests many more tell-tale signs, than the summary judgments of an after-the-fact journalist…putting a story together.
As Guy Montag opined – I think Gene Maddaus overstepped the bounds of objective journalism, in omitting testimonies & evidences that did not support his prejudice…and in overstating those that did.
I probably do that too… So – it’s not as if I’m painting a pitchfork in his hands.

Nevertheless – what I know of “descent into delusion”…strongly suggests…to the point of virtually demanding…that…if the cause of Michael Hastings’ last ride…was “paranoid delusion”…he possessed the fortitude to disguise it…beyond anything I’ve witnessed.

One of the first places to find a “slippage” in these regards…would have been in his writings.
And – while the last “article” he wrote (“Why Democrats Love To Spy On…”) was not on par with some of his other works (imo)…nothing therein hinted at a banana peel…

I further saw no banana peels in the abundance of Tweets…through his last week (or so) on Twitter.

And – as far as we know – outside the “second/third-hand” account/s of what his brother told (might have told) LAPD detectives…his last interaction/s with “friends” (on the evening of June 12th)…left no uneasy, “what’s going on with him?” questions…

AND ------- a descent into delusion…is not…a quick…journey.
It is a whirlpool...
A vortex...
The nearer one is to being entirely "sucked in"...the more obvious it is to those nearby.

It takes time.

It takes a huge emotional investment…and…at some point – the “deluded one” no longer tries to “hide the delusion”…because
THEY DON’T THINK IT’S A DELUSION –
THEY ARE CONVINCED IT’S REAL
…AND…
CONVINCED THAT EVERYONE KNOWS IT’S REAL.

In the last Star Trek movie… “Spock” (the younger) states:
“If you eliminate the impossible…then…whatever remains…however improbable…must be…the truth.”

Don’t know how readily that applies to our dilemma (because of the logisitics)…but…it’s worth consideration.

reply to post by ShadellacZumbrum

Wow...
Hope you find it.
I'll try to find it, as well...
That is full-on interesting!

reply to post by WanDash

a descent into delusion…is not…a quick…journey

Every time I think about delusion and paranoia, I think about the helicopters that were circling his house that were intended for him, or, .. so he thought.

But, you are right, here again. You don't just turn into a nut over night. It is something that takes times, and it becomes obvious in the character you project.

I have really seen nothing, "Off Kilter" in any of his writings, which, to me suggests, that maybe there is a possibility that he had an innate ability to keep his personal life out of his work.

ShadellacZumbrum
...Every time I think about delusion and paranoia, I think about the helicopters that were circling his house that were intended for him, or, .. so he thought.
...But, you are right, here again. You don't just turn into a nut over night. It is something that takes times, and it becomes obvious in the character you project.
...I have really seen nothing, "Off Kilter" in any of his writings, which, to me suggests, that maybe there is a possibility that he had an innate ability to keep his personal life out of his work.

I don't see his suspicion of the helicopters as beyond reasonability.
He already knew (apparently) of two times that the FBI had investigated stories he'd written.
The inflammatory news of the NSA spying on reporters had just come out...
He figured he was a prime target (as prime as anyone-else)...
Whether he took it further than you or I (or maybe I should exclude myself...and insert "your neighbor") might consider reasonable...does not mean that it wasn't reasonable for him to "consider".

You are correct that there is a possibility that he had some super-hero-like ability to keep his personal life out of his work...
If we are talking "delusion" (paranoid delusion), however...there comes a point where that explanation does not work.
Because...it...literally...changes...you.
And...it doesn't happen in 5 days.
I know that delusions are as individual & different as the people who experience them...but, there are commonalities that cannot be eluded.

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FOUND IT ! ! !

Here is the Twitter Page .. . ..

Barrett Brown TX

GaG Order Page 1

GaG Order Page 2

Dell Cameron ‏@dellcam 4 Sep Barrett Brown gag order, page 2: pic.twitter.com/pK2r19doYV Retweeted by FreeBB (TX) View photo Reply Retweet

Dell Cameron ‏@dellcam 4 Sep Barrett Brown gag order, page 1: pic.twitter.com/0YplhDdXmL Retweeted by FreeBB (TX) View photo

Still looking for the link to the "Discovery of Evidence".

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I don't think any of us would still be scratching away at this event if we were convinced MH caused this crash of his own volition. I have to admit that the concern of helicopters watching him did strike me as a major sign of severe paranoia. The LA WEEKLY article left me with a profound feeling of character assassination. The timing of the story with the coroners report was suspicious. There were few direct quotes used throughout the article. A major story was patched around these. I wonder how Atty Thigpen feels about the story? Like you WanDash I was looking for, and almost expecting to find major signs of paranoia and anger. I am surprised at the normalcy of his actions and writing up to the end.

Mikko Tuomela can be googled for his twitter. The comment he left "awww" was left as mstuomel at www.flicker.com/photos/chiclet/84136808331
Well I tried that and it only got me Summer Anne's flicker account. The picture he commented on is on page 5 below the list of cool things about Texas. Unfortunately his comment is not included. How I found it originally was a google search of Bobby Sneakers Corgi. The second search item had 4 images of the dog. The image and comment was left on one of those.

The Barrett Brown situation has me about as rowed up as MH. I have already made a small donation to his defense fund and have their web site bookmarked. Barrett does not seem to be as accomplished a writer as MH. He also had a major addiction issue that clouded his actions and has made it easy for the Feds to silence him without any resistance from MS Press. I think the use of private contractors by the Feds in this web of surveillance, homeland security, support for foreign policy and combat will eventually be a major story. BB seemed to be very cognizant of these relationships. He was becoming a thorn in the side of power in these areas.

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…I don't think any of us would still be scratching away at this event if we were convinced MH caused this crash of his own volition.

That is not entirely correct. There are those on both sides of the fence who would like to see this through. Many, hoping to be able to say “I told you so”… Some, simply because it’s a mystery…and their minds grow frustrated at unsolved puzzles.
In my line of work – I come across “suspicious” activities daily… Sometimes the suspicions were warranted… And sometimes…they solve themselves…after much wasted time & effort…
We still (imo) don’t know where this story will end…

… I have to admit that the concern of helicopters watching him did strike me as a major sign of severe paranoia. The LA WEEKLY article left me with a profound feeling of character assassination. The timing of the story with the coroners report was suspicious. There were few direct quotes used throughout the article. A major story was patched around these. I wonder how Atty Thigpen feels about the story? Like you WanDash I was looking for, and almost expecting to find major signs of paranoia and anger. I am surprised at the normalcy of his actions and writing up to the end.

As you say – we were kind of expecting a smoking gun in his writings…because of the LA Weekly article, coroner’s report and the abundance of other articles that were spun off of both.
I don’t think it (the smoking gun) was there. As previously stated – I believe the evidence pointed in another direction (with the lack of such slips).

…The Barrett Brown situation has me about as rowed up as MH. I have already made a small donation to his defense fund and have their web site bookmarked. Barrett does not seem to be as accomplished a writer as MH. He also had a major addiction issue that clouded his actions and has made it easy for the Feds to silence him without any resistance from MS Press.

For me, this highlights an interesting angle… I have never been “a fan” of “the Press”.
“They” have continually set themselves on moral, social & intellectual pedestals…apart from and above those they “speak to”.
In the May 20th interview on The Young Turks, Michael’ lamented – “…we have no constituency…” – referring to “the Press”, or “journalists”.
Nevertheless – as you say – BB is (imo) getting a raw deal, and I hope that ‘justice’ bubbles its way to the surface...

…I think the use of private contractors by the Feds in this web of surveillance, homeland security, support for foreign policy and combat will eventually be a major story. BB seemed to be very cognizant of these relationships. He was becoming a thorn in the side of power in these areas.

I am in full agreement.
Is it possible that ANY of this can be turned around?

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Being that Krikorian has not responded to commentors on his blog inquiring as to why there is no clock timer on the security footage, nor as to whether it would be possible for him to post the original footage (since the copy he made is blurry, jumpy and grainy and looks to be played back at 2X speed) is there any reason to believe that he knows any more about Hastings' intended destination than you or I do? All he is doing is parroting what LAPD told him, but in true modern era newspaperman fashion, he reasons not.

Living in LA himself, Mr. K would know that nobody would use Highland to either get to the airport nor to drive to Las Vegas, particularly at 4:15am. 4 in the morning is about the only time that you can actually use the freeways for what they were intended...rapid transportation. At 4am, the freeways are clear sailing all the way. From where Hastings lived, he was incredibly close to a major freeway that could have acted like a zip cord to either LAX or to route 15 to Las Vegas.

Highland, even for those determined to bust through multiple red lights at 80mph, is a vastly inferior choice that would certainly quadruple one's travel time, no matter the destination. And sooner or later, a patrol car would have been on his behind, costing him even more time. And did he not have one brother in LA and another due to arrive the next morning? And was he not recently made deeply suspicious of the safety of his car? None of this seemed to enter Krikorian's unfettered consciousness. Sad

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Thanks for all the "live from L.A." tidbits.
I've read some who say - "everyone knows that North Highland' is a drag-way for street racers"...and, of course, Krikorian himself, illustrated that there had not been a fatality on a multiple-mile stretch of the road in the last ten years... So... (?)

Anyway - do you know (are you confident) of the actual address (name) of Michael Hastings' apartment/s?

I think you make excellent points...regarding "the route", if he was intending to get to LAX...

If heading for Las Vegas...(in his car)...I see no way that he would have chosen "southbound on North Highland Ave"... (unless, of course, he needed to stop somewhere en route --- like the BuzzFeed office/s) ...

And, of course, we have likewise highlighted the oddity of "going to 'Vegas with brothers in town" in this thread...

As to Krikorian's weak "reporting" on the story...I guess, I've given up hope for anything more than a couple of drizzles every now and then.
My personal opinion ----- he wants to keep his channels "open" and "in good standing" with LAPD...since, that's his beat.
Virtually all of his storylines (other than European Vacations) tie in with the LAPD...
So - he'll parrot what they say...and let someone/anyone-else call "foul" (or - prove them wrong).

Thanks for your contributions to this case!

reply to post by DixonHand
It seems to me that there are far too many impossibilities, coincidences, and out right violations of natural law within the Hastings event for it to have been anything as mundane as an accident, or the work of an assassin hired by a vengeful wife, or even the FBI.

1) Brand new Mercedes C250 rears up like an angry stallion and pukes out its engine, transmission and drive shaft

2) Said puke weighing approx 600 lbs travels 180 ft through a palm tree

3) Said puke weighing approx 600 lbs passes through a palm tree but leaves the tree intact (very cool trick)

4) 600 lb + engine/transmission lands on a thin concrete slab over the hollow of a sewer but does not even leave a small fracture nor crack in the concrete (very, very cool trick)

5) Scott Lane of Loud Labs happens to be parked with his dash cam pointed just the right way and catches the speeding Mercedes

6) Scott Lane manages to get on scene in approx 5 minutes and documents the car engulfed by a ferocious fire of at least 2200 degrees F. (white hot fire-just an fyi, but gas fires typically burn at about 500 degrees F. and have a distinct orange and deep red flame-Hastings' was white and yellow which is 2200-2600 degrees F.)

7) The Jaws of Life are used to extract remains from the car -the left side of the body was charred with clothing burned or burned away, head was 100% charred (beyond recognition)

8) Jaws of life are used, yet calculations of the car speed as it crossed the median show it slowed to 35 mph

9) Right side of body was not burned, clothing was intact, wallet was in place, license and medical marijuana card could be read despite approx 20 minutes spent barbecuing in a white hot fire. Photographic evidence shows a thoroughly burned car interior. Loud Labs video confirms the car was fully engulfed in flames for a prolonged period, not just the left side of car

10) The FBI, which publicly stated that it had no file on Hastings, is sent finger prints from a corpse that should have had no fingerprints left to lift. Two days later, ta-da! The body belongs to Hastings because the impossible prints match the FBI prints on file that are in a file that it does not have.

11) A tire came off the driver's front wheel. The rim should have left much deep grooving on the median. Two witnesses describe spinning/jack knifing, yet there were no marks to correspond to this, neither on the median nor the street.

There's more, but then we get into real La La land stuff and it is bad enough just considering items 1-11. This couldn't be an accident, it wasn't the work of any run of the mill assassin, and although the FBI likely played some role,this seems to exude far more imagination than the average government bureaucrat could muster, unless they went to film school first, of course.

reply to post by adriaen22

#1 – Brand new Mercedes C250 rears up like an angry stallion and pukes out its engine, transmission and drive shaft
For me, rather than “rearing like an angry stallion”, the evidence looks more like “bucking like a bronco”…
I agree that this is both strange and amazing…
Can’t go so far as to say “unbelievable”, though.
#2 - Said puke weighing approx 600 lbs travels 180 ft through a palm tree
I addressed “how” I believe this could be explained in this post. Not saying that I’m right…but, it may be worth considering…(and – if you disagree – you could just do as I am doing with your postulation/s, and address the components individually)…
#3 - Said puke weighing approx 600 lbs passes through a palm tree but leaves the tree intact (very cool trick)
Same response as to “#2”.
#4 - 600 lb + engine/transmission lands on a thin concrete slab over the hollow of a sewer but does not even leave a small fracture nor crack in the concrete (very, very cool trick)
I would have expected significant gouges in the asphalt or yard/s or trees… Don’t know that we had an opportunity to inspect everything (through the LoudLabs video) to determine that something-else didn’t absorb the weight of impact prior to settling where it did…
So – I’ll agree that it leaves questions to be answered.
#5 - Scott Lane of Loud Labs happens to be parked with his dash cam pointed just the right way and catches the speeding Mercedes
Many have called attention to this… But – you could go even further and speculate “why did they even build the gas station on that corner? Why did they open the Walgreens across the street? Why was Jose Cabalcava (?) going home from work at such an odd hour? …etc…” A lot of questions can be pulled from the surroundings…but, if you don’t take Scott Lane’s word for “why” he was there, all that remains is speculation – unless, of course, you have “inside information”.
#6 - Scott Lane manages to get on scene in approx 5 minutes and documents the car engulfed by a ferocious fire of at least 2200 degrees F. (white hot fire-just an fyi, but gas fires typically burn at about 500 degrees F. and have a distinct orange and deep red flame-Hastings' was white and yellow which is 2200-2600 degrees F.)
The fire’s intensity does present questions. If they are entirely unanswerable, scientifically – then…this will remain a perpetual source of questions.
#7 - The Jaws of Life are used to extract remains from the car -the left side of the body was charred with clothing burned or burned away, head was 100% charred (beyond recognition)
Probably true.
#8 - Jaws of life are used, yet calculations of the car speed as it crossed the median show it slowed to 35 mph
Some have arrived at such calculations… I have not. The latest calculations, based upon the most recent distance measurement provided by Mr. Krikorian range from 101 mph to 140 mph. I believe the number to be at the upper end of that range. Should you care to do your own research and verify or rebut these claims…the “method” for coming to said conclusion/s should be on one of the preceding thread pages… (or – you can U2U me…if you would like all the materials).
Again – I recognize there may be errors in the method (or – interpretations of what’s happening in a few screenshots)…but, unless someone calls attention to and adequately corrects the same…I will probably never know.
#9 - Right side of body was not burned, clothing was intact, wallet was in place, license and medical marijuana card could be read despite approx 20 minutes spent barbecuing in a white hot fire. Photographic evidence shows a thoroughly burned car interior. Loud Labs video confirms the car was fully engulfed in flames for a prolonged period, not just the left side of car
While it doesn’t affect your point…much…I don’t think the car was burning for more than 10 minutes… I agree that certain aspects of the “body burn pattern” are intriguing.
#10 - The FBI, which publicly stated that it had no file on Hastings, is sent finger prints from a corpse that should have had no fingerprints left to lift. Two days later, ta-da! The body belongs to Hastings because the impossible prints match the FBI prints on file that are in a file that it does not have.
Would you mind directing me/us to the source of the body identification process (and those involved)? I have not come across it…yet.
The fingerprints being in the FBI’s many databases does not automatically signify “investigation”. And neither does that fact mean he wasn’t (or had never been) under investigation.
#11 - A tire came off the driver's front wheel. The rim should have left much deep grooving on the median. Two witnesses describe spinning/jack knifing, yet there were no marks to correspond to this, neither on the median nor the street.
I believe what came off was the entire wheel (leaving no rim…but rather, the wheel mount, etc)… To your point, however, I agree…there would have been undeniable (and fully visible) evidence in the turf (or, for that matter…in the asphalt, if it had happened on the street). If my calculations on the average speed of the vehicle were correct…how prepared do you think “the witnesses” were to register, log, analyze and report on what their eyes saw (suddenly & alarmingly) in that 2 or so seconds? Two of them compared stories… Anyway – I am taking the video evidence (in this case) over witness testimonies…when the two (or more) are at odds.

I still do not know if this was an accident…or the work of The Evil Empire or whom… I believe you have identified some pertinent questions, and hope we can find the answers.

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Here are some things to add. .. .. . .

Firstly. . I have yet to receive a response from John Greenwald at The Black Vault regarding filing FOIA Requests.

I find it strange that he seemed eager to help until I asked questions. .. .. .

Here was his response to my initial inquiry. .. ..

Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:56 am

Well I've filed about 4,000 FOIA requests to build this site... so maybe I can help? If not, I can hopefully point you in the right direction. Looking forward to seeing your questions...
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John Greenewald, Jr.
The Black Vault Website Owner / Operator
www.theblackvault.com...

Dead Space is all that I am left with. . .. .. . .. . Disappointing. .. .. .

Next .. . .. . .

After 10 Million and 1 hours. . I have finally found the Discovery of Evidence on Barrett Brown. .. .

I find some of the evidence listed to be somewhat strange. .. .

HERE is the link to the Original File

Here is an Excerpt of the Evidence

1
One disk containing selected telephone calls from Brown from Mansfield, from February 2013 through August 2013
2
One DVD containing audios and videos, Al Jazeera, RT, Democracy Now, Fund Raiser, GorillaRadio.com, KPFA.org, etc.
3 through 6
reserved
7
excerpts from freebarrettbrown.org
8
7/1/2013 article in The Guardian by Barrett Brown The Cyber-Intelligence Complex and Its Useful Idiots Case 3:12-cr-00317-L Document 91 Filed 09/04/13 Page 1 of 5 PageID 546
Government’s Exhibit List (Hearing 9/2/2013) – Page 2
9
8/28/2013 article in Vice by Barrett Brown Reading 'Born Again' in Jail
10
9/25/2012 article in DMagazine by Tim Rogers Barrett Brown Writes a Letter From Jail
11
2/23/2013 article in WhoWhatWhy by Christian Stork The Saga of Barrett Brown
12
3/20/2013 article in The Guardian by Ryan Gallagher How Barrett Brown went from Anonymous PR to Federal Target
13
3/21/2013 article in The Guardian by Glenn Greenwald The Persecution of Barrett Brown and How to Fight It
14
3/25/2013 article in Huffington Post by Vivien Weisman Weev, the Hacker Who Didn’t Hack
15
3/26/2013 article at Vice.com by Patrick McGuire We Spoke to Barrett Brown From Prison
16
4/2/2013 article in The Guardian by Glenn Greenwald - follow up
17
4/13/2013 article in New York Times by Peter Ludlow Hactivists as Gadflies
18
5/2/2013 article in WhoWhatWhy by Christian Stork Barrett Brown Update: New Defense Team, Feds Fish for Activists
19
5/14/2013 article in the Dallas Observer Blogs by Eric Nicholson Is Anonymous Hactivist Barrett Brown a Journalist? His Supporters Say So.
Case 3:12-cr-00317-L Document 91 Filed 09/04/13 Page 2 of 5 PageID 547
Government’s Exhibit List (Hearing 9/2/2013) – Page 3
20
6/18/2013 article in The Nation by Peter Ludlow The Strange Case of Barrett Brown
21
6/21/2013 online transcript of interview of Peter Ludlow at scotthorton.org
22
6/24/2013 online transcript of interview of Peter Ludlow at Gorilla Radio
23
6/24/2013 article in The Guardian by Arun Bupta How Barrett Brown Shone Light on the Murky World of Security Contractors
24
7/11/2013 online transcript of interview of Peter Ludlow at democracynow.org
25
7/13/2013 article in The Guardian by Kevin Gallagher Barrett Brown, Political Prisoner of The Information Revolution
26
6/23/2013 article in the Huffington Post by Peter Ludlow Barrett Brown vs the Private Intelligence Business
27
7/31/2013 article in Huffington Post by Kevin Gallagher Barrett Brown Awaits Trial on Spurious Charges in Texas
28
8/7/2013 article in WhoWhatWhy by Christian Stork Connections Between Michael Hastings, Edward Snowden and Barrett Brown
29
8/11/2013 article in Huffington Post by Vivien Weisman The Strange Case of Barrett Brown Just Got Stranger
30
8/13/2013 article in Salon by Natasha Lennard The Government Wants Media Gag for Barrett Brown
Case 3:12-cr-00317-L Document 91 Filed 09/04/13 Page 3 of 5 PageID 548
Government’s Exhibit List (Hearing 9/2/2013) – Page 4
31
8/26/2013 online transcript of interview of Peter Ludlow at KPFA.org
32
8/28/2013 project summary of Reality Wars, A Documentary Film by Vivien Weisman from kickstarter.com
33
9/29/2013 article in Rolling Stone by Alexander Zaitchik Barrett Brown Faces 105 Years in Jail. But No One Can Figure Out What Law He Broke
34
6/27/2013 article in DMagazine by Tim Rogers The One Story You Should Read About Barrett Brown linking to EX#23
34 through 39
reserved
40
screen shot ahmed ghappour @amadooooo twitter - retweet on 6/22/2013 6pm (reference EX#20 The Nation article)
41
screen shot ahmed ghappour @amadooooo twitter - tweet on 6/24/2013 9:16am (reference EX#23 The Guardian article)
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screen shot ahmed ghappour @amadooooo twitter - tweet on 6/27/2013 (reference EX#34 DMagazine article)
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screen shot ahmed ghappour @amadooooo twitter - retweet on 7/13/2013 1:31pm (reference EX#24 online transcript of interview)
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screen shot ahmed ghappour @amadooooo twitter - tweet on 7/13/2013 1:31pm (reference EX#25 The Guardian article)
Case 3:12-cr-00317-L Document 91 Filed 09/04/13 Page 4 of 5 PageID 549
Government’s Exhibit List (Hearing 9/2/2013) – Page 5
45
screen shot ahmed ghappour @amadooooo twitter - tweeted on 7/16/2013 8:32pm (see attached)
46
screen shot ahmed ghappour @amadooooo twitter - retweet on 7/18/2013 5:19pm (reference EX#13 The Guardian article)
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screen shot ahmed ghappour @amadooooo twitter - tweet 8/12/2013 11:20am (reference EX#9)
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screen shot ahmed ghappour @amadooooo twitter - tweet 8/16/2013 9:59pm (reference EX#33)

It is quite strange that I do Not see where it references Hastings call to Brown.

Anyways. .. .. .

That is my 2 cents for today. .. .


ETA:

I forgot to add this bit of info. .. .

From THIS Article. .. ..

Barrett Brown's contact list read like a who's who of investigative journalism. It included Guardian journalists Glenn Greenwald and Ed Pilkington, filmmaker Vivien Weisman, activist Gregg Housh, the late Michael Hastings, and VICE editor Patrick McGuire. In what became a routine, the prosecutor would ask Agent Smith if he recalled listening to a conversation between Barrett and a specific reporter. Smith would often shuffle through the papers in front of him and then recite certain details.

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Ten million and ONE --- AMAZING!!!
Will go through this...but...first want to respond to the most obvious fault I find with the "evidence" list:
He's been incarcerated since September, 2012...yet, it appears that almost all of "the evidence" is from 2013.
What - they didn't really have any evidence on him...then, held him in prison/jail...until they could "get some"?

What country is this happening in?

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It amazes me that people who have been jailed would say anything incriminating over the phone. It seems that all phone conversation is not private; in jail or out. The same with internet communication.

It was nice of the Fed's to list all of these articles written about Barrett. On quick glance all appear to have been written since his imprisonment. The articles listed that I have read are not sympathetic to the Feds case against BB. I wonder what evidence they contain that prove BB's guilt?

I have some more articles to read. Thanks.