UK to Censor Esoteric Websites

Is anyone suspicious of all this stuff on twitter at the moment?

The government have called the twitter uk bosses in for a chat in september because a few women have been getting 'trolled' on the site.

The papers and certain government ministers (or shadow ministers) are blowing this up.

Pushing for even more online controls.

The wider populous is being told to tuck in their arms and hold onto the handles of e-life, who wants to enjoy the real roller-coaster of the internet when you can have a nicely packaged version the government have ok'd for you?

"look at how horrible everyone is being to me" is the cry from those with their fingers on the ban button "you don't want it to happen to your son or daughter do you?".

People buy this crap, they actually embrace it. They want to have their hands held and to be led through the garden.

It scares me where we're going.

The labels we're giving to those who protest against it.

I'm happy to be called a pervert, a freak, a troll etc etc if it means I can keep my rights; such a shame so many aren't in a similar position to do the same.

As someone with 'nothing to lose' i feel i need to up my activities to help those who don't have the same freedom as me to fight.

Everyone who can should do the little things to keep these blocks at bay.

It appears all that CaMoron has done has negotiated with ISPs and have them make it appear as though those filters have been applied. Sort of make it seen to be done rather than actually done in practice, since it's totally unworkable.

I honestly do feel that by blocking websites it will only make those who do manage to find other ways to feed what ever it is they want to - namely smoking, porn, alchohol, anorexia and so forth all the more enticing.

I also have to say that it sounds like a " witch hunt " again.... This ban of esoteric ideas is definitely from a Christian point of view and makes no sense.

It sounds like censorship.

If no one is harming anyone what is the problem?

Well considering that the MPs in parliament all use the essoteric with their freemason chums at the lodge they can buzz off with that one.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by SubTruth

 

Liberals are capitalist hypocrites pretending to care for everyone. Progressives tend to be realist regardless if they are authoritarians or not. Look at france, holland, spain, portugal, italy, greece, belgium as progressives.

Why dont they try censoring in those countries? Lol they try that crap in france there would be a civil war!

Progressives and Liberals are two twigs from the same branch. They work hand-in-hand and are completely interchangeable.

Originally posted by WatchRider

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by SubTruth

 

Liberals are capitalist hypocrites pretending to care for everyone. Progressives tend to be realist regardless if they are authoritarians or not. Look at france, holland, spain, portugal, italy, greece, belgium as progressives.

Why dont they try censoring in those countries? Lol they try that crap in france there would be a civil war!

Progressives and Liberals are two twigs from the same branch. They work hand-in-hand and are completely interchangeable.

Cameroon is a conservative PM so it stands to reason he would start censoring unethical/immoral stuff.

Progressives put lots of FINANCIAL CONTROLS but in most other regards are very lax.

I have lived in both liberal/conservative countries and progressive countries therefore I should know and do know.

There is a bigger difference between liberal and progressive than there is of liberal and conservative.

Both liberals and conservatives are capitalists. progressives tend to be socialist. revolutionaries tend to be communist.

On a scale of 10 being ultra-capitalist and zero pure communism, I would say conservative is 9, liberal is 7, progressive is 4 and communist is 1.

Americans tend to think of liberal as left wing when they are not!

Originally posted by Eidolon23


Now this is just getting weird.

I get filtering out "violent material, extremist sites, yadda-yadda..." I think it is assbackwards protectionism at its worst, but I get it. But esoteric sites? Really?

I'm having a hard time fumbling my way down the line of reasoning that would lead policy makers to deem esoterica a public health hazard. I'm trying to imagine the ad campaign, ala' D.A.R.E.:

Seriously, though, what gives?!

www.ultraculture.org
(visit the link for the full news article)

lmfao

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
This is just a strategy used by governments, you just have to read between the lines.

When Governments want to ban something that a lot of people might complain about they threaten to ban a whole bunch of other stuff as well. But this is just a threat. Because they know the people are going to complain and force the government will take a step back , but they only step back as far as the original thing they want to ban which in this case is access to certain types of porn and maybe a few other sites as well.

This way 'the sheeple' think they have a victory and have excersied some power over thier government and they still feel in control. But in reality the government got what they wanted in the first place.

You just have to look at the bigger picture. They do NOT want to ban Esoteric, alcohol, smoking, web forums they are just trying to get people to complain so they can appear to be beaten back..to a point.

edit on 29-7-2013 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

When I was a manager I would use this tactic all the time. If I had to ask someone to do a job which I knew they would kick-off about I'd tell them another manager had planned to make them do an even worse job. I'd then say I'd intervened and got someone else to do it but I would unfortunately have to ask him/her to take over the other person's job instead - which was the job I was going to get them to do in the first place.

It worked everytime. They usually thanked me!

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
This is just a strategy used by governments, you just have to read between the lines.

When Governments want to ban something that a lot of people might complain about they threaten to ban a whole bunch of other stuff as well. But this is just a threat. Because they know the people are going to complain and force the government will take a step back , but they only step back as far as the original thing they want to ban which in this case is access to certain types of porn and maybe a few other sites as well.

This way 'the sheeple' think they have a victory and have excersied some power over thier government and they still feel in control. But in reality the government got what they wanted in the first place.

You just have to look at the bigger picture. They do NOT want to ban Esoteric, alcohol, smoking, web forums they are just trying to get people to complain so they can appear to be beaten back..to a point.

edit on 29-7-2013 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

Agreed.

Basic Psychology for the gullible masses...but i'm in agreement with the OP, i'm wondering why they chose Esoteric web sites in the 'fake list' even if they plan to recant on it later?

It's giving the impression via a mental nod to the people that for some reason Esoteric subjects are considered bad or seedy, just by the inclusion of it...it's planting the subliminal seeds..perhaps to harvest later on.

Harry Potter series can be considered 'Esoteric' in nature...hundreds of millions of children and adults alike will be disappointed to learn they have dealt in 'seedy and bad esoterica' by buying the DVD's, action figures and lunch boxes!

Similarly, The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe had better warn someone they've had their lot too.

When you think of just how much 'esoteric' entertainment aimed at the mainstream audience is actually out there, it becomes even weirder why it made the list, even if it were to be pulled later 'after careful consideration'.

Why not choose Cannibal orientated, Animal cruelty websites, fascist based content, or a whole host of genuinely offensive subjects to include? Even restricting Junk food advertising websites would have a more positive result than esoterica.

They, included these subjects for a reason. The list has been carefully compiled for maximum psychological advantage, we can be sure of that. Top professionals would have been behind the selection of topics and subjects, so what's the esoteric angle...really?

Originally posted by NeoSpace
They already started to block bittorrent websites, we get a blank page with small text to the top right saying

Error - site blocked

I belive these are just small stepping stones to eventually block any websites that question government actions and policies.

edit on 29-7-2013 by NeoSpace because: (no reason given)

It's up to the site owners to unblock it. The Pirate Bay was back on in a short time right after the site blocked message appeared. How far are we from the point where any circumventing would be against the law? I clicked my way to Nostradamus.com to find out, but "Error - site blocked" message appeared instead.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


Well I can tell you that in the UK the word 'conservative' doesn't actually mean conservative anymore like it used to.

The first three letters are followed by TROL, CONTROL.

I laugh at your pro-communism slant as well so don't dare try and suggest it's some happy-utopia given it's track-record.

What I want to know is how do they define esoteric?

I mean to Christians for example Harry Potter is esoteric.... so.
Or to an atheist they may not even agree with the word esoteric in the way those who like the esoteric subject would understand it.

So this is all BS.

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
This is just a strategy used by governments, you just have to read between the lines.

When Governments want to ban something that a lot of people might complain about they threaten to ban a whole bunch of other stuff as well. But this is just a threat. Because they know the people are going to complain and force the government will take a step back , but they only step back as far as the original thing they want to ban which in this case is access to certain types of porn and maybe a few other sites as well.

This way 'the sheeple' think they have a victory and have excersied some power over thier government and they still feel in control. But in reality the government got what they wanted in the first place.

You just have to look at the bigger picture. They do NOT want to ban Esoteric, alcohol, smoking, web forums they are just trying to get people to complain so they can appear to be beaten back..to a point.

edit on 29-7-2013 by PhoenixOD because: (no reason given)

Completely wrong - absolutely wrong.

They want to set a precedent of having the ability to block internet sites - then they will ban sites like ATS and others where you might actually begin to learn and understand what the govt doesn't want you to know - like how your freedoms are being screwed.

I cant believe your post got even one star from a site like ATS - people are still so very blind and trusting.

Stop ALL censoring of the internent, and everything else - once censorship begins, it will advance until the only information you can access is the information that the government wants you to see - it is a way for them to control you, and it will not stop with porn.

They want to censor the internet because at one time they had total control of the TV and people only heard what the govt wanted them to hear - the only dissent was the dissent that was allowed. Don't fall for this kind of trick, reject all censorship.

Originally posted by Sparta
Why would they block alcohol and smoking websites when both are legal activities

Because Muslims may find alcohol and smoking offensive. Better add gambling and religion (unless that's already covered under esoteric) to the list.

This whole censorship business riles me a lot. Seems an awful lot like a step towards totalitarianism, but i'm still open to the possibility that it isn't.

When I first read about it I was pretty fuzzing outraged, mostly so at the excuses used for the general 'banning' of pornography. I found it laughable that they were claiming it was to 'protect children's innocence' and something about not degrading women... yet, these kids aren't idolising, identifying with and ultimately copying and basing their life view on porn - kids are doing this to the celebrities, the pop stars etc who are whoring themselves out in a socially acceptable manner.

Not to mention the likes of dial-a-ho shows on freeview television such as babestation. Programs that are freely available on the drip-information-feeder found in many children's bedrooms. What do shows like that say? Pay some money and some woman with low self esteem will act out your primitive wants and desires.

Children are still trying to develop their own sense of morality, and are far more likely to base this morality on acceptable social behaviour, which encompasses the very unreal women in music videos and men flaunting 'bitches' and big wallets. I actually bore witness to an horrendous music video, courtesy of some dude called '2 chains' (the guy wears two chains, believe it or not...) accompanied by the princess of whoredom nicki minaj and they were singing about how they 'love dem strippers, yes them love dem strippers'... Now how is that not scarring on so many levels?

It's my personal view that less information is not a good thing for children. Granted, things children witness can be emotionally scarring, but attempting to stop the viewing of such material doesn't seem to solve any underlying problems.

Funny thing is, when things are supposedly 'taken out of the hands' of children it just seems to make them all the more determined to get to it. Look at the alcohol and tobacco age limits, doesn't seemed to have stopped any young ones from obtaining it from somewhere and consuming. Don't doubt the internet bans will just encourage children into looking into what's been kept from them. Whether this is a good thing or not is uncertain to me.

Perhaps esoteric websites will have a similar lure to them, but will people actually know what is 'banned' I wonder. Also the fact that esoteric websites have been classed with the list of 'possible bans' is very worrying. Wonder what it is that the government is trying to 'protect' us (and of course the children) from here?...

Once things like esotericism are thrown into this ban mix, the guise of protecting the children's innocence begins to look very diluted indeed.

Do you know what would be a relay Good idea?
to set up a professional web site for people with mental troubles.