Toronto Police Kill 18 Year Old Alone On Streetcar. Caught on Video. I Am Speechless.

reply to post by openyourmind1262


May be you're right. May be they should have tasered him, taken him in, given him a 72 hour psychiatric hold, sent him to a psych and rehab facility then released him back to his father after a few weeks . THEN, when he goes nuts again, and next time, takes out an innocent, you can all sit here and b@#$% about how the justice system failed and released a violent psyciatric drug addict into back into society...

Originally posted by meemaw
reply to post by openyourmind1262

 

May be you're right. May be they should have tasered him, taken him in, given him a 72 hour psychiatric hold, sent him to a psych and rehab facility then released him back to his father after a few weeks . THEN, when he goes nuts again, and next time, takes out an innocent, you can all sit here and b@#$% about how the justice system failed and released a violent psyciatric drug addict into back into society...

Thought Police anyone? Pre-crime anyone?



BTW, he had NO history of problems, prior to this.

It's just good the guy didn't have a fork instead of a knife, he would of probably forked everyone up.
I mean really, this was all wrong, the cop's don't need to be Judge and Jury, but this day they were.
They did save a lot of court cost, unless they get sued for wrongful death or some thing.

Maybe they just need refresher course, "Now remember you Tase First, If that does not work then you shoot him and anyone close by at least a couple of time if you can" ,

reply to post by meemaw


BTW, how do you KNOW he was on drugs?



Also, your other post, you said you didn't want to jump into the "herd mentality" and wanted to wait for the facts to come out. Clearly you have your own "version" of facts, that you live by.

Originally posted by Stealthwatch
I just have to say this. It will cost me my log in but thats fine i will just make a new one.
Cops will keep pushing the limits till the consequences of their actions are too great. The force is full of mentally ill, murderous sons of bi@@@$ who is there for no other reason than exactly this. Bunch of jerks who find a legal way to kill and maim. So why not try the following. Those cops must be local thus people must know where they live. A bit of street justice goes a long way. You will not be able to take revenge on them but they must have a wive and kids or at least a pet. A eye for an eye. Go shoot his wife or kid or dog. Make sure to leave a note to say exactly why it happen.

If you honestly think this is a solution, you sicken me. Your not even suggesting going after the offending officer, but in fact their undoubtedly innocent wife and children. Sick doesn't even begin to cover this statement.

reply to post by sonnny1


Well, I am against the actions taken by the police, but there was something going on there beyond the norm.

He had the knife in one hand and his penis in the other.

Originally posted by Skywatcher2011
18 year olds in Canada are just stupid kids...they are not criminals. This 18 yr old should have been tasered enough to let go of the knife and then immediately handcuffed and tossed into jail.

This is police brutality...and is plain disgusting for me to watch as a true Canadian citizen. *RIP* I feel sorry for his family...

Not all 18 year olds of course, but I know what you mean, just a kid flipping out nothing more, whether drunk, on drugs, mentally ill or suicidal - "To Serve and Protect" means just that, all the way around including when needed the protection of a Canadian citizen, from himself. They sure let that kid and his family and friends down.

He didn't deserve to be shot dead. All he had was a small knife - don't the cops have gloves and a jacket they can put on for that kind of take down? Why didn't they wait, "negotiate" and then storm the bus or even use teargas?

Just gunned him down, because he wouldn't drop the knife.

The police, both here in Canada and in the USA need re-training, because this isn't what "To Serve and Protect" looks like, at all.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Well the few experiences I have had with Ontario police....well, as one time I was pulled over and I asked what did I do wrong was "I can do whatever I want to." As many people have said, the police in Canada / US and the UK are being very militarized. There is no longer a "To Serve and Protect" attitude.....it is more like Enforce and Collect Revenue.

reply to post by sonnny1


No, not thought police or pre-crime. He was committing the crime when he was shot.

Originally posted by jacobe001
You know, every post of yours DEF has been one of "Procedures and Policies" including documents to back it up, but nothing about common sense, moral, nor ethical considerations in regards to the actions many of these LEO's take.

I guess we shouldn't have any laws then, we should just enforce the law based on the media spin and everyone's emotions from moment to moment.

reply to post by MidnightTide


It's very unCanadian.

I hope this story takes wings beyond the Toronto Star and presumably The Sun as well.

It's viral on the Net... but nothing on the TV news today about it, which is very unusual, given the coverage by The Toronto Star.

Why the hell didn't this guy drop the knife in the first place? Plus, why he feel so compelled to be threatening(everyone out of the cart)? Was he mentally ill, or just bad ass? 18 years old, and couldn't make the smart decision just to put it down?

And why didn't the cops taser, or use gas on him? Or just rush him with batons to the point it brutality? Or even reason with him. or at least a warning shot from an actual trained in fire arm gun slinger. Like a bullet whiz past his ear, saying ur dead if you don't listen.

In the end, both parties are fault.

Originally posted by meemaw


No, not thought police or pre-crime. He was committing the crime when he was shot.

No.

You said....

Originally posted by meemaw
The enhanced videos unfortunately show very little detail about what was going on in the streetcar. I refuse to join the herd and condemn the officers before I have all the facts... I asked a police officer who was attending the ER today with an accident victim what his thoughts were on the shooting and he said that he too had watched the video and suggested the possibility that when the man stepped back away from the door, it appeared that he bent down briefely and took a few steps back further into the bus. The video doesn't show what happened when he stepped forward just before he was shot, but the officer I spoke to said the one thing that would entice him to shoot was if the guy on the bus had pointed a gun, or something that appeared to be a gun. I thought this made perfect sense, and it's too bad no one in the media has presented this possibility to the public...... This is all unfortunate, and there is a family mourning their son, brother, etc...there is obviously much more to this story and once the SIU finishes it's investigation, hopefully we will know more. If they don't release the details, but find that the office did indeed act appropriately, and he is returned to full duty, I'll be ok with that....

Then this.........

Originally posted by meemaw
THEN, when he goes nuts again, and next time, takes out an innocent, you can all sit here and b@#$% about how the justice system failed and released a violent psyciatric drug addict into back into society...

CLEARLY you have no problem giving the LEO's the benefit of the doubt. Clearly the Suspect is just another violent soon to be re-offending criminal if he was given the help he needed or was given a different way out of this horrible situation.




Don't be a hypocrite. Your "quotes" are easy to decipher. See?

reply to post by Hefficide

Your answer is right here in your article:

The police may use all the force that is necessary to overcome resistance, even if that means killing the person they are trying to arrest.

I believe that I have said that since I started typing here today...
I believe I even posted the use of force matrix multiple times.
Police DON'T NEED to be "IN FEAR" to use LETHAL FORCE, that's a CIVILIAN SELF DEFENSE LAW...

Taking the bus was a felony.
Aggravated Assault with a deadly weapon on citizens is a felony.
Aggravated Assault with a deadly weapon on police is a felony.
Resisting arrest can be a felony.

So how many felonies and resistances do you want to allow this guy to stack up before the police are allowed to do something about it?

Yep... Let's allow him hang out for a few more hours and see what other damage he can do while we block him in with cars, wait around for negotiators, and basically twiddle our thumbs.


I'm done with this, everyone can go on about your police “hate” session, and in the end I'll bet you that legally these cops are all cleared.

Time will tell, and I'll be sure to bring this post back to the forefront when the verdict is reached.

How many people on here giving it, "He deserved to die".

Listen to yourself, an 18 year old, deserved to die.

You sick people, he didnt deserve to die, you eleveate yourselves to that of god and science claiming the right to say another human being deserves to die.

Ignoring a Police officer does not automatically make you deserved of death and being a police officer does not make you legally allowed to take life.

Its a sorry place where you value anyones life so little that you feel fit to give it the, "He deserved to die" line. Playstation nation and a worrying lack of moralty. Disgusting.

Originally posted by meemaw
reply to post by openyourmind1262

 

May be you're right. May be they should have tasered him, taken him in, given him a 72 hour psychiatric hold, sent him to a psych and rehab facility then released him back to his father after a few weeks . THEN, when he goes nuts again, and next time, takes out an innocent, you can all sit here and b@#$% about how the justice system failed and released a violent psyciatric drug addict into back into society...

I would rather that, than let trigger happy police who believe themselves judge jury and executioners decide the fate of the criminals in the country I choose to live in.

They forget they are public servants.

Sadly this kid would have been just another statistic if some citizen hadn't have been video taping the incident.

Video everything and everyone especially authority figures in the performance of their duties. We want to see it!!!
But be very very discreet, even secretive and stay safe, least you become a target.

We will know when fascism rears it's ugly head when it's illegal to film our world but the authorities film our every move.

Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by Hefficide

 

Your answer is right here in your article:

The police may use all the force that is necessary to overcome resistance, even if that means killing the person they are trying to arrest.

I believe that I have said that since I started typing here today...
I believe I even posted the use of force matrix multiple times.
Police DON'T NEED to be "IN FEAR" to use LETHAL FORCE, that's a CIVILIAN SELF DEFENSE LAW...

Taking the bus was a felony.
Aggravated Assault with a deadly weapon on citizens is a felony.
Aggravated Assault with a deadly weapon on police is a felony.
Resisting arrest can be a felony.

So how many felonies and resistances do you want to allow this guy to stack up before the police are allowed to do something about it?

Yep... Let's allow him hang out for a few more hours and see what other damage he can do while we block him in with cars, wait around for negotiators, and basically twiddle our thumbs.


I'm done with this, everyone can go on about your police “hate” session, and in the end I'll bet you that legally these cops are all cleared.

Time will tell, and I'll be sure to bring this post back to the forefront when the verdict is reached.

Well exactly that, the police don't need a reason, they can and will shoot you if they want.....for breaking the letter of the law. Heck, just last week a police officer beat the hell out of a 87 year old man in London, Ontario after his wife who suffers from Alzheimer's disease told a passerby that "a bad man" was in the home. A cop in Barrie beat a man senseless last XMAS for knocking down a ornament at a mall.

Wonder why when I am around police I view them as a threat. Yes, the cops will be cleared, the Special Investigations Unit will take their sweet time coming to a verdict. Won't be surprised if none of the evidence will be told to the public either.

As to letting him hang out in the street car....why not? As long as he is contained and not hurting anyone, let him sit there. Let a specialist come in and try and talk him down. Use tear gas, taze him - lots of other options to use first.


I remember last year when that Korean chopped off the head of another in a bus in Manitoba....they let him sit in the bus for hours.......they didn't shoot him.

reply to post by defcon5

Yep... Let's allow him hang out for a few more hours and see what other damage he can do while we block him in with cars, wait around for negotiators, and basically twiddle our thumbs.

Yep. Instead of actually valuing a human life, regardless of the "felonies" let's just shoot them dead because they are wasting their time. That's it in a nut shell. I wonder why so much time is wasted trying to coax down suicidal jumpers, they are wasting everyones' time, we should just not care about anyone and just let them die or kill them. Defcon, seriously you need to open your heart if you still have one.

CJ