Woman Education in Islam

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I guess the Taliban never got the memo when they shot Malala Yousafzai and have attackted untold numbers of women for different women. There are similar stories throughout the Islamic countries that I disagree with the poster. I'm not saying just in Muslim countries women suffered. It's just there were and are women suffering everywhere. This is why I respectfully disagree with the poster.

Originally posted by logical7
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I invite you to check this thead :

www.abovetopsecret.com...

.....then tell me about how well women are treated in Islam.

reply to post by Trueman


I'm not quite sure what that video of a Kuwaiti cleric talking about wife beating has to do with the topic of the OP.
Its pretty easy to dig up dirt on any group... it doesn't mean everybody can be painted with the the same brush. Thats not a very sensible way of going about things.

You post a picture that makes absolutely no sense and this is a thread?
I guess you wanted to show how we only got equality recently whilst muslim women had it for a long time. However this does not come across because of FACTS.
I don't want to waste too much time here, but one image is about strong women fighting for their rights and who had rather good success in the West I'd say; and the other is a DRAWING of a pretty muslim girl and the rather ironic fact that at some time in their past women were treated better than now.

Shot in the foot.

So I guess we have the muslims to thank for teaching us how to treat our women.....kinda like thanking jeffery dahmer for teaching us how to cook our children

reply to post by logical7

this image will be enough to suggest the topic of this post

It this what threads have come to now .....
Must try harder .

reply to post by Hecate666

the other is a DRAWING of a pretty muslim girl and the rather ironic fact that at some time in their past women were treated better than now.

there is a drawing because cameras weren't invented back then and a muslimah(muslim women) started a university about a 1000years before the west even realised the need for educating women.
A muslim scholar who has a religious school of thought by his name Abu Hanifa(Hanafi school of jurisprudence) is known by his daughter's name who was herself a scholar, Abu Hanifa(Father of Hanifa)
Ayesha r.a. Wife of Muhammad pbuh is considered the most learned scholar in religion and Caliph Umar r.a. asked her advice in matters of dispute.
The trend of high importance to women education continued till islam was followed how it should have been.
So muslims insist on going back to islamic fundamentals and teachings to solve the problems that affect the muslim world now.

Wow, this is one of the least-effort posts I've seen on here!
No commentary at all!!

Originally posted by tinner07
So I guess we have the muslims to thank for teaching us how to treat our women.....kinda like thanking jeffery dahmer for teaching us how to cook our children

maybe you need it! Muslims respect their women. A mother is the most honoured. A daughter is her dad's princess. A wife is to be respected as an equal helper in family life.
The incidences you are fed are not to be extrapolated over the complete population.
You have domestic violence and a lot, you have yo-moma joke, you have comercialised the body of a women as nothing more than a means to sell everything.
So yes you should learn what a real dignified woman is like and how can she be accepted and respected without having to please everyone by her looks!
How she can get married without letting a few men "try" her and she trying a few.
How she can seek knowledge without a need to have a bf at 16 and lose virginity at the most 18 to get accepted!

reply to post by logical7




Malala went to the UN, she talked about the 57 MILLION kids with no school to go to....

girlrising.com...

YOU may be interested in treating women with respect and dignity, but that doesn't "extrapolate" to the entire Muslim population, not by a LONG SHOT.

reply to post by logical7


I sincerely feel you shouldn't have made this thread. You knew exactly the kind of people this thread would have attracted.

You know as well as I do that western audiences willingly choose to use the worst case scenarios to make their case (while ignoring the worst that takes place in their own communities).

If you want to preach, ATS isn't the place for it. Its better that we remain silent, sit back and enjoy the great show being put on by the west.

But remember, our friends here imagine the worst about OUR community and wouldn't hesitate to bring up a worst case scenario to point fingers at Islam. Ever time it happens, just remind them of their own decadence...

Some examples:

- Rape in the US armed forces
- Gay "events" held by the US military while deployed overseas.
- Special camps for young boys to dress up as girls.
- The glorification of vapid celebrities on the MSM.( Example : the ones who blow up 75,000 dollars on golden toilets)
- The general masses of the West who are obsessed with such vapid celebrities.
- The utter and absolute collapse of Christianity in the decadent west.
- Assaults on Christians by pro-gay rights people.
(to state a few)

In other words, its all over for them.

A muslimah speaking for herself
muslimmatters.org...

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


I don't agree the West would self destruct. There are a lot of problems here and I disagree with a lot practices taken place today. However, I feel the OP should have written this thread. Because There are a lot of Muslim cultures that do allow women to have rights. However, as I mentioned in my reply there are cultures that do the opposite and to me I feel that is wrong.

I understand Islam is a religion and there would many contradicting views in how to practice Islam. We need Muslims to respect themselves, others, and their faith in God.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


i was aware what this thread will attract. However i was hopeful that even if one genuinely open minded individual read it, it would be worth it.
Actually the willful ignorance of many sometimes accidently annoy someone good hearted into thinking rationally again and this is the purpose of this thread..
Thanks for your concern and suggestions i would definitely use them against the hopeless kind!!

Yes Islam really puts women first in there culture. They know how to treat their women with dignity and respect.... hmmmm lets see.....

reply to post by logical7


I would assume if women were educated properly in muslim societies for over a thousand years... there probably would have been some sort of intervention or uprising against the treatment of their gender...

Or is it possible they are actually educated to believe they are second class citizens?

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Wow ... A propaganda picture of Islam in 841 ....
How about facts from Islam NOW ...
Read and picture this ...

CNN - Girls School Burned Down in Afghanistan Again
Students Murdered and Schools Burned in Afghanistan
Girls Schools Burned Down in Pakistan
Muslim Womens News .. More Schools Burned Down
Nigeria - Muslims burn down more schools and kill more teachers
Indonesia - schools burned down and people killed
Burning down a girls school in Lahore
Muslims threaten girls daily for going to school
Malala shot in the head for wanting to learn to read

The United Nations ...

Today, however, girls’ schools are under attack. The United Nations estimates that every single day a girls’ school in Afghanistan is burned down or a female teacher killed. In four southern provinces, more than 100,000 children are being denied an education because of school closures.

Although the issue of Afghan women’s rights has garnered plenty of international attention, an increasingly powerful insurgency and a corresponding backlash of conservatism have combined to lessen the gains that have been made. And the social and economic indicators for women in the country are still staggeringly low: U.S. charity Save the Children estimates that one in six Afghan women—about 20,000 per year—die during or just after childbirth. The female illiteracy rate is estimated at 80 percent or higher, as compared with about 50 percent for the men. Girls as young as 11 or 12 are still married off to men a few decades older. Further more, a UNIFEM (United Nations Development Fund for Women) study released in August concludes that, although the practice is illegal, some girls are still forced into marriages in order to settle a family feud or to compensate for a crime.

UNICEF - Education of Girls in Iran

All family members are expected to do what they can to bring home income, and this means children are often taken out of school. Girls must do the household chores and look after younger siblings while boys run errands and do odd jobs to earn money.

As a result of isolation and poverty, many communities view education as a luxury and cultural attitudes towards women mean that more girls than boys are denied an education

Girls here are not just disadvantaged by a lack of education. Old traditions mean that many of them face the prospect of early marriage (marriage for 12-year-old girls is common and they are powerless to refuse). Once married, their chances of an education decrease even more as their husbands are usually unwilling to let them leave the house unescorted and want them to concentrate on running their new households.

UNICEF World Report

There are a lot of religious leaders who do not think that to send a girl to school is a big priority. This is actually the most difficult barrier to overcome, and we've been doing so in working with the communities involved in many countries in South Asia, in the Middle East and sub-Saharan Africa, and we've just proven that to send a girl [to school] is not going against the religious beliefs, but [on the contrary], we'll have a much better outcome in the well-being of the family, of the community, and therefore the whole society," Personnaz said.

And since we are talking about girls schools in Islam .. let's not forget those 15 girls who were sent back into their burning down school ... because they weren't wearing their head gear ... and the burned to death ...
Mecca Girls School Fire

Etc etc etc .... so don't try to tell us that all is peachy-keen in Islam-land when it comes to education of women. It is absolutely not. It's a problem in many, many places .. including Islamic lands.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
I sincerely feel you shouldn't have made this thread.
You knew exactly the kind of people this thread would have attracted.

Yep .. I'm sure you wish he had not started the thread because those who would 'be attracted' to this thread will come with facts and figures and not fall for taqiyya deceptions. Freedom of speech ... freedom of information ... freedom FROM Sharia law ....