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In general terms, it's already clear Snowden's betrayal hurts in at least three important ways. First, there is the undeniable operational effect of informing adversaries of American intelligence's tactics, techniques and procedures.
But as a former director of NSA, I would also suggest that the base 50% to 60% of American intelligence day in and day out is provided by signals intelligence, the kinds of intercepted communications that Snowden has so blithely put at risk.
The real purpose of those complaints is competitive economic advantage, putting added burdens on or even disqualifying American firms competing in Europe
Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by jiggerj
We like every other country like to look over the fence when it comes to threats. Have we gone a little overboard? Yea, probably. I like to be left alone when it comes to privacy. I also expect my government to give other countries the benefit of the doubt when it comes to threat analysis. At the same time we have to ask ourselves; are other countries doing the same to us? Yes, most likely. Dog eat dog world.
Originally posted by introV
reply to post by jiggerj
Ding, ding, ding. You sir are the winner. Loved your post man!
#StopTheMadness lol
I think you need to direct your OP to the "filthy rich" as you put it. They control the country's by controlling and owning there debt, America or any other country for matter is nothing more then some filthy rich conglomerate's lackey that does what the likes of the Rothschild's tell them to do.
Originally posted by jiggerj
Who cares if the filthy rich business owners lose an advantage while competing in Europe?
I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.
Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by jiggerj
No doubt brother. But we have to ask ourselves, are we doing any more than other countries when it comes to intel? I am in no way condoning what we do, but is it the status qua? What if other countries are more invasive than we are, but we don't hear about a "Snowden" from them?
Originally posted by gladtobehere
reply to post by jiggerj
Originally posted by jiggerj
Who cares if the filthy rich business owners lose an advantage while competing in Europe?
If you read about American intervention overseas (I would argue most, if not all), was primarily done to protect the profits of American companies.
Thats right, the US military, our "intelligence" services and government in general, was using tax payer money to protect private profits not unlike banker bailouts: profits are private, losses are public. Except, with foreign intervention, lives were being lost.
Originally posted by jiggerj
Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by jiggerj
We like every other country like to look over the fence when it comes to threats. Have we gone a little overboard? Yea, probably. I like to be left alone when it comes to privacy. I also expect my government to give other countries the benefit of the doubt when it comes to threat analysis. At the same time we have to ask ourselves; are other countries doing the same to us? Yes, most likely. Dog eat dog world.
You are correct. It is a dog eat dog world, but it's not supposed to be that way. Our government has been meddling in world affairs since before WWI. Where can we look in this world where we can say, We made things better? There's still war. There's still tyranny. There's still hunger. We need to let the world grow up on its own. We can't make a people of a foreign land embrace our ideals; this has been proven time and time again. They have to change from within, with us leading by example and never ever EVER by force! It just doesn't work.
The only possible exception is Japan - sort of. We gave them our way of life and through technology and good business sense they kicked our %$$e$.
- The CIA does not protect America. It protects the criminals that run America. The CIA is the most dangerous enemy the American people have.
- The electoral process is nothing more than a beauty pageant, paid for by Wall Street.
- [color=gold] When you remove the hyperbole and conjecture, what's left of the article is punctuation.
- Did I miss the damage he (Snowden) caused?
- Did I miss it? There's no apology for doing anything illegal in the entire essay (by Hayden).
- Just more evidence of how absolutely irredeemable many of these shadowy despots in control of the government really are.
- The insultingly orwellian claim that Snowden was aiding the enemy just reveals the sinister extent to which the government now sees the American people as their enemy.
- Lots of people should be in jail many wall street workers, big bank executives, ceos, and members of Congress but not Snowden.
- The author does note the huge size of Snowden's leak - which is a consequence of the policies Snowden opposes and the author supports.
- This is obviously not an article written by anyone knowing much about data: "Snowden fled to China with several computers' worth of data..." Data is not measured in "computers". The statement is meaningless.
- The way General Hayden exercises his first amendment rights here reminds of one reason why there is a second amendment.
- Hayden is the perfect example of the corrupt revolving door between government military and the private contractors who make billions off of ginned up fear of "terrorists".
- This opinion is piece is a fine example of the perennial, creeping arrogance of the US federal government toward its citizens.
- It takes a special kind of arrogance to ignore the limits placed by the constitution and invalidate the 4th amendment of the bill or rights without going through the amendment process.