Originally posted by Trolloks
The Veil is not actualy part of Islam, it's from a culture hundreds of years ago.
Back in the day, the masters of the slaves forced the slaves to cover their face, as to make them appear sub-human, thus causing less guilt or effect
on the masters concious. That is where it originated from.
When Islam spread and the slaves were no longer slaves, they kept the woman in veils as for the same reason the master of the slaves did, to make them
appear suub-human to their owners (husbands, men, etc) and thus cause them less guilt when they punish them, or keep forcing them to act against their
will (rape, sharia law etc).
If it had anything to do with Islam, every muslim woman would have to be covered, but they are not.
It is a sect of Islam that mixed with the customs of a land they expanded into. The religion got mixed with the culture, and thus now seem
My point is, the veil is not religious, it is cultural.
I don't Know Where this MYTH came from, but it IS a Myth. fact is,
In the times of Ancients, middle east, Rome and so forth, it was the NOBLE women who were veiled and SLAVE women who could be raped at any time with
impunity who were unveiled, stripped and SHAVEN, Fact. Unveiled women were known to be Property of the ruling state or empires of that time, a SLAVE
CLASS. FACT. LOOK IT UP. This whole slaves were. Overed by force is pure nonsense, it's not even Historical fact...they were Branded with tattooed
of their master owners and shorn so If they ran they could be sent back to owner, FACT. All CAPTIVES were naked per se, to humiliate them, shorn,
etc. only the Citizens could be veiled, covered, all one has to do is look up ancient fashions of nobility and then peasants/slaves through out time.
Geesh...where these myths come from is mind boggling.
To clarify it was shorn or cut hair, but anyway, women had no rights, to their bodies, they were either property chattel of the NOBLE CITIZEN MALE or
property as a Slave, caste type thing.
Both Paul and other leaders, etc instructed women to be veiled and he says exact, it is a shame for a woman to be shorn. Yes it was because shorn
women were raped, sold to sex slave temples, etc and had no rights whatsoever. This is why in Orthodox Christianity women are still veiled in prayer,
back in ancients it was a Class thing. (all women in church were to veil as to not have one whore class and one noble class, etc., we don't have as
much record as redemption monies to free sex slave women then but there's a few, research familia law and women, ancient times, etc., that's where the
whole veiling traditions stem from, it's about a slave class thing and pure women or married women, etc., Which was only certain citizens, or redeemed
Islam it was same way, women were to be be veiled as not to be humiliated as shorn prostituted women. Prostituted as in Slave, there wasn't like
choices then, there was still a caste system, so forth. Proof of this is when Islam in war they are told they can rape unveiled women, they are seen
as state fodder, etc., when I corporates by marriage they are then to be veiled as Muslim protected, sure it's a chattel system but it's chattel by
marriage or chattel sex slave under states, etc--a similar but carried out differently is the sects of Orthodox Judaism that women shave their heads,
something to Do with resistance to I question period and sex slavery, anyway it's to show only ownership under husband rather than state, etc, though
I don't know the whole issue behind that but that's what a Jewish woman told me, but same principle etc)
So, in modern Interpretations it would still be seen as same thing, to force unveiling is really in their lens a forced holding women captive under
the State as state whores, etc., meaning the State can rape them at will, etc., if they choose. In Eastern cultures who still go by the ancient lens
of caste etc shorn women are lower caste, etc., and can be raped and mistreated etc.,
That's where that whole thing comes from. They see us as Willing sex slaves to the state, and not just Islam, it's the same thing with Orthodoxy.
yes they both are Patriarchal however the Difference is, their form of patriarchy is to protect their females from other empires raping which gets
into the genocide by rape infiltration, etc., and therefore colonization etc where as in west,
Men dont protect females at all...but it's NOT because they Care about females, they have zero respect and worse,
Western females have no self respect either. The whole fun feminist bimbo culture has done more to feed rape and whore culture that even Toddler
females are not safe from rape with impunity anymore. they are Both misogynist to the core however it falls back Into that Private whore property
verses Communal whore property, etc.
Yes pedophilia is rampant in Those patriarchal cultures as well but at Least they marry then there, Here they just pass females around like dogs.
Anyway point being, the Veil custom was not about subjugating then at least not Then back in ancients, it was to protect them from being a prostituted
sex slave class.
Fact. Even Roman familia law had the veil law in place, IF a non Noble citizen female was caught with veil to hide her slave status which included a
tattoo branded and shorn hair, it was punishable. Often by crucifixition, death, etc.
Not to say, however that the forced veiling isn't about patriarchal control, as it sure is, and not trivializing the abuses, etc.,
But, the foundation a. Reasons for veiling were in no way about forcing a sexualized subclass to be raped, it was the opposite, it was so that they
would be discerned between the subjugated can rape u veiled female class to the protected noble female class.
Read Algeria's Unveiled by Camus, he gets into the political ramifications of forced unveiling and why the Algerians were against the French for these
policies as it was a form of colonization by attacking the Women.
Westerners have a difficult time with understanding because they have not had other empires colonize them and rape and TRAFFICK their females with
When Westerners demand unveiling to Them it's the equivalent of the state saying you have no rights to protect your females from our assaults...it may
But if you know the history you understand where Those hostilities come from. Either way it's the women who get abused by both sides...and have no
autonomy either way. As well the Women who may be feminist mind you, may not agree with Westerners trying to liberate then because They see the porn
culture and rape culture and what IT'S done to Thousands of females all over Asia and East,
Especially in sex trafficking.
Which is why Eastern women resent the Western fun feminist bimbo "whore" culture,
And quite frankly I don't blame them.
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