Since WHEN did the President STICK HIS NOSE INTO LOCAL MATTERS!!???

F@cking talking on www.whitehouse.gov... about martin and Trayvon case, racism, etc. WTF?!?!?!? NONE OF HIS GOD DAMN BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Err... I feel your anger, I truly do. I have to ask tho.... You're just now noticing this?

I mean, it's an honest question by the tone of your reaction. As if going through the initial shock of just learning how extreme it has become on reach-down?

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by pityocamptes

 

Err... I feel your anger, I truly do. I have to ask tho.... You're just now noticing this?

I mean, it's an honest question by the tone of your reaction. As if going through the initial shock of just learning how extreme it has become on reach-down?

Oh, no. I have certainly seen this. It just pisses me off. Especially this event cause he/everyone is making this into a racial event which is BULL$HIT!!!!!!!!

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If you think the Zimmerman/Martin case is a local matter, you're badly mistaken. Past presidents have given their opinions on issues...

What are you so freaking angry about? Obama has a right to say whatever he wants, just as we all do.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by pityocamptes

 

If you think the Zimmerman/Martin case is a local matter, you're badly mistaken. Past presidents have given their opinions on issues...

What are you so freaking angry about? Obama has a right to say whatever he wants, just as we all do.

No, he does not, he is fomenting those that support this racial agenda...

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So if Obama succeeds in getting people stirred up and gets someone riled up enough to assassinate GZ can he Obama be charged? This POTUS is a complete joke.

You think the "racial agenda" is manufactured or whatever. That's fine. It's you're right to have that opinion. MANY disagree. I disagree. That's just something you're going to have to live with.

This discussion needs to happen. This discussion WILL happen, no matter how much you want to sweep it under the rug or think it doesn't exist.

His involvement in it does give the definite impression that the issue is about race, doesn't it? That's probably the most distressing aspect of it.
I'm kind of afraid to find out how far this whole thing will go.

Everyone has a right to an opinion, even the president. We have a congress that is not a rubber stamp. There are checks and balances, one of which is public opinion.

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He's been doing this since he got into office, remember the "Beer Summit"?

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Unfortunately state's rights mean very little to this President.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

What are you so freaking angry about? Obama has a right to say whatever he wants, just as we all do.

A goverment should NOT interfer with the judicial system. EVER. To do so is stepping on a slippery slope.

The goverment is there to make the rules. The Judicial system there to enforce them.

Zimmerman was found inocent by a Jury. It should now be over.

And a head of state should not be race baiting.

Originally posted by rickymouse
Everyone has a right to an opinion, even the president. We have a congress that is not a rubber stamp. There are checks and balances, one of which is public opinion.

And public opinion and a head of state should not undermine a Jurys decision.



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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by pityocamptes

 

What are you so freaking angry about? Obama has a right to say whatever he wants, just as we all do.

I think Obama has the right to personal opinions too, having given this much thought. The problem is, as a sitting President, where does personal opinion end and "command influence" as it's known in the military, start? Obama isn't just a Politician. As it happens, he's direct head to the Executive branch, which is where law enforcement and things like Prosecutors offices reside for structure.

I think his opinion would be taken as nothing more, after proceedings are over and decisions on how it's handled were/are not still being made almost daily. Especially now that Obama's literally 1 level removed from the man overseeing the review of the case now (Holder). Appearance of impropriety alone is enough to avoid it, IMO.

Obama is a lawyer by profession and former teacher himself in the law. He ought to be more aware than most (and I think he is, is the problem here) on how the opinion of authority can color actions of those in direct line below.

Come on now... if Obama has some "Racial Agenda", then Zimmerman would be in jail.

Come up with a different excuse next time.

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Originally posted by crazyewok
A goverment should NOT interfer with the judicial system.

The STATE (the government) pressed charges against Zimmerman. What are you talking about? The Dept of JUSTICE IS part of the judicial system.

Zimmerman was found inocent by a Jury. It should now be over.

That's only at the state level. The feds have every right to investigate the case to see if a FEDERAL law was broken.

I think you guys don't know how justice works in this country.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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The STATE (the government) pressed charges against Zimmerman. What are you talking about? The Dept of JUSTICE IS part of the judicial system.

Yes the filled charges and procecuted but that all they should do.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
That's only at the state level. The feds have every right to investigate the case to see if a FEDERAL law was broken.

Yeah and if I rember corrcetly the FBI already cleared him before his trial.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I think you guys don't know how justice works in this country.

Im UK.

So in this country it would have been a mis trial, Camroon and the media faceing charged of perjury for illegaly interfering along with the prosecutor for his "go with your hearts" speach.

OK, Devil's Advocate here. If many put the problems of Chicago and Illinois(local issues) in the Prez' lap, c'mon you see it here every day, why is turnabout fair play?

Pathetically irresponsible remarks.

The Commander in Chief should set the bar not stoke racial tension.

This could have huge repercussions. Write a book when you leave office.

People lose their lives over this type of race baiting.

We have hit a new low.

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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by pityocamptes

 

If you think the Zimmerman/Martin case is a local matter, you're badly mistaken. Past presidents have given their opinions on issues...

What are you so freaking angry about? Obama has a right to say whatever he wants, just as we all do.

Race was interjected into this case by NBC's mischaracterization of the 911 Zimmerman call, editing it to imply he said things he now was proven he did not.
news.yahoo.com...

Also most media outlets refusing to publish photos of the beating Zimmerman took that night, while showing photos of Trayvon from YEARS earlier.
www.thenewamerican.com...

The New York Times coming up with the now infamous "White Hispanic" description.
www.nytimes.com...

I argue that the media coverage of this case is what made this a racial issue. They acted as the bellows over a smoldering ember igniting this into something it never should have become. This case was a man who made a VERY bad decision about a "suspicious" person and decided to escalate the altercation by following him. His suspicions were based, as the 911 call indicated, on his behavior. Zimmerman didn't say anything about race to the 911 operator until asked by her.

I am embarrassed by the media's coverage of this case.

As far as the President's actions, come on. You know as well as anyone that President's opinions carry a lot more weight in the public forum than yours or mine. So he should be more measured when speaking about cases such as this. Saying "If I a son, he'd look like Trayvon" this was clearly designed to elicit an emotional response.

And the President's actions now are even worse. The Federal government stepped aside to allow the state to try this case. Now that the verdict didn't go the way they wanted the Juctice dept is stepping back in for possible Civil Rights violations, this is turning into a witch hunt plain and simple.
www.breitbart.com...

And today this came out:
www.usatoday.com...

Obama said all Americans should do "soul-searching" in the wake of the verdict and the reactions to it, but questioned whether a full-blown "national conversion" would do much good if too many politicians or pundits were involved.

He should follow his own advice.

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What are you so freaking angry about? Obama has a right to say whatever he wants, just as we all do

You could not possibly be more wrong.

If there are riots in the next few days and people lose their lives it will directly come back on Obama.

It seems the attempt to divide us is only working on a few people.

When we speak, people do not riot and die. The President's words carry weight.

He does not have the right to get people killed. Just wait and see if that happens.

A very dangerous game we are playing here...