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Again, petty or not- they were sold into slavery due to their crimes.
ETA: An old favorite food in Ireland is called "Blood Pudding." It's basically the fermented dark blood of a sheep congealed into a thick wafer. Yummy. But pig guts sound good too.
Originally posted by luciddream
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
Would you be mad if some close to you killed your best friend or some stranger killed your best friend?
Same loss, different animosity.
Another race owning another race is worse then one owning each other... both are crime but different level.
Originally posted by mrThornhill31
Something the history books forgets to mention is that African blacks SOLD poor African Blacks to white plantation owners in the US. Yes Blacks sold "THEIR" own kind to white plantation owners.. If you don't believe it?? Look it up. It was far more about EXTREME poverty why these men and women were "owned" and sold.
Originally posted by flyandi
reply to post by MrPlow
Maybe true in the later days but initially it was very simple.
"African Slaves" were most of the time captured enemy fighters from rivaling tribes in Africa. There were no established countries in Africa at that time - it was all tribe based and there were wars between the tribes! The British brought guns and technology to Africa and seeded it among the tribes but you might think that this was the reason - but it's not!
Slavery has exists in Africa centuries before the British arrived. Slaves itself were most of the time traded as indentured slaves - meaning that it was a from of debt bondage - the same way they were handled when they initially came to the United States through the Atlantic Slave Trade. They key is that slavery was a part of the economic structure and many uphold many parts of their survival, for example for agricultural work, etc.
We are not here to justify or judge slavery since it's happening around the world every day and has happened for the last 15000 years!
BUT your argument is that Blacks were put in slavery because of their skin colors and that's absolutely a lie! Africans were primarily put in slavery during the Atlantic Slave Trade because there was already a pre-existing network of sophisticated slave trade in Africa and it exploded after African Slave Traders discovered that selling slaves to Europeans Slave Traders can be very profitable.
Do you really think someone went to Africa and said "hey that dude is black - he is only half of a man - let's enslave him"??? It's much more complicated like that but Skin/Race/Origin? Those didn't play a role and if they only very minor role.
Read up on Slavery in your History Book and the Atlantic Slave Trade and you will discover facts that might not be compatible with your ideas of slavery.
Your next argument might be that the "evil white man" changed the history books!
What happened after the slave trade, especially in the early 19s is a complete different story but slavery is another one!
Here is a good starting point: en.wikipedia.org...
Originally posted by SneakyB
Why a large number of us don't know, can be tied to the those of us that have 'suffered more than everyone else' (/s); are 'innocent of all accusations of wrong doing(s)' (/s); and 'don't own the media' (/s).
And, if you know of the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion ( those forgeries ), you will understand that everything wrong in the world is to be blamed on white Christians - and you'd agree that hasn't happened (/s).
And since none of the above is true (/s), the following clips won't make a lot of sense
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edit on 17-7-2013 by SneakyB because: (no reason given)edit on 17-7-2013 by SneakyB because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
Originally posted by MrPlow
Whether or not you, in 2013, believe this to be an actual crime or not is inconsequential. At THAT time, it was a criminal act- so....they were being punished for that act.
Everything else you said above has nothing to do with what I'm pointing out about THAT day and age.
Again, petty or not- they were sold into slavery due to their crimes. Blacks were sold into slavery because they were considered less than human and savages...their offense? The color of their skin.
Try harder
Ok, let's play our little games then and strain some gnats just for fun. In your argument the said Catholics were at war and lost and thus broke some law. I do believe the said blacks sold into slavery by their oppressors who won a war against them and sold them into slavery would fit the same bill. Thus those blacks were not sold because of the color of their skin, but dared to lose a fight against another group they felt was oppressing them.
We can play these mental gymnastics ad nauseum, and it just shows me you think white slavery was not an issue. Again, thank you for participating and exit the ride to your right.
Originally posted by MrPlow
Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
Originally posted by MrPlow
Whether or not you, in 2013, believe this to be an actual crime or not is inconsequential. At THAT time, it was a criminal act- so....they were being punished for that act.
Everything else you said above has nothing to do with what I'm pointing out about THAT day and age.
Again, petty or not- they were sold into slavery due to their crimes. Blacks were sold into slavery because they were considered less than human and savages...their offense? The color of their skin.
Try harder
Ok, let's play our little games then and strain some gnats just for fun. In your argument the said Catholics were at war and lost and thus broke some law. I do believe the said blacks sold into slavery by their oppressors who won a war against them and sold them into slavery would fit the same bill. Thus those blacks were not sold because of the color of their skin, but dared to lose a fight against another group they felt was oppressing them.
We can play these mental gymnastics ad nauseum, and it just shows me you think white slavery was not an issue. Again, thank you for participating and exit the ride to your right.
How convenient for you- telling half truths and all. Yes, their were blacks that were sold into slavery as a result of being on the losing side of war. That goes without saying. But the bulk were simply kidnapped from their families and brought to foreign lands to be traded and sold. Only because of their skin color and because they were viewed as uncivilized.
White supremacy was capitalized on in order to perpetuate this commodity.
But go on...your shattered ideas of reality are kind of entertaining.
Originally posted by flyandi
reply to post by MrPlow
Maybe true in the later days but initially it was very simple.
"African Slaves" were most of the time captured enemy fighters from rivaling tribes in Africa. There were no established countries in Africa at that time - it was all tribe based and there were wars between the tribes! The British brought guns and technology to Africa and seeded it among the tribes but you might think that this was the reason - but it's not!
Slavery has exists in Africa centuries before the British arrived. Slaves itself were most of the time traded as indentured slaves - meaning that it was a from of debt bondage - the same way they were handled when they initially came to the United States through the Atlantic Slave Trade. They key is that slavery was a part of the economic structure and many uphold many parts of their survival, for example for agricultural work, etc.
We are not here to justify or judge slavery since it's happening around the world every day and has happened for the last 15000 years!
BUT your argument is that Blacks were put in slavery because of their skin colors and that's absolutely a lie! Africans were primarily put in slavery during the Atlantic Slave Trade because there was already a pre-existing network of sophisticated slave trade in Africa and it exploded after African Slave Traders discovered that selling slaves to Europeans Slave Traders can be very profitable.
Do you really think someone went to Africa and said "hey that dude is black - he is only half of a man - let's enslave him"??? It's much more complicated like that but Skin/Race/Origin? Those didn't play a role and if they only very minor role.
Read up on Slavery in your History Book and the Atlantic Slave Trade and you will discover facts that might not be compatible with your ideas of slavery.
Your next argument might be that the "evil white man" changed the history books!
What happened after the slave trade, especially in the early 19s is a complete different story but slavery is another one!
Here is a good starting point: en.wikipedia.org...
Originally posted by kimish
Originally posted by MrPlow
Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
Originally posted by MrPlow
Whether or not you, in 2013, believe this to be an actual crime or not is inconsequential. At THAT time, it was a criminal act- so....they were being punished for that act.
Everything else you said above has nothing to do with what I'm pointing out about THAT day and age.
Again, petty or not- they were sold into slavery due to their crimes. Blacks were sold into slavery because they were considered less than human and savages...their offense? The color of their skin.
Try harder
Ok, let's play our little games then and strain some gnats just for fun. In your argument the said Catholics were at war and lost and thus broke some law. I do believe the said blacks sold into slavery by their oppressors who won a war against them and sold them into slavery would fit the same bill. Thus those blacks were not sold because of the color of their skin, but dared to lose a fight against another group they felt was oppressing them.
We can play these mental gymnastics ad nauseum, and it just shows me you think white slavery was not an issue. Again, thank you for participating and exit the ride to your right.
How convenient for you- telling half truths and all. Yes, their were blacks that were sold into slavery as a result of being on the losing side of war. That goes without saying. But the bulk were simply kidnapped from their families and brought to foreign lands to be traded and sold. Only because of their skin color and because they were viewed as uncivilized.
White supremacy was capitalized on in order to perpetuate this commodity.
But go on...your shattered ideas of reality are kind of entertaining.
Their own families sold them. The Black families sold their own kin. You said it yourself.
So, by your logic, they viewed themselves as uncivilized?