Forgiveness / Allowing vs. Hatred / Resistance (The Bible and The philosophy of Karma is revenge)

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I quoted a few verses from The Bible where Jesus is speaking saying "Resist no evil". To me, this sounded crazy. We should just let evil take over? We should just allow anything to happen? What I realized is, whether or not I approve of something, that will not stop what has already happened or what is happening. In cases where I can be compassionate and stop the pain and suffering, I will allow my human nature to act to help another human, but in other cases where stronger forces are doing this or that. I can't stop it anyway, so I might as well accept that this is the reality and talk against it while remaining calm.

But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. - Matthew 5:39

That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? - Matthew 5:45-46

This is Biblical but other religions also teach this. Buddha talks about letting go of thoughts which will cause one to suffer (resisting reality by wanting desires to become the reality). I put this in the Philosophy area instead of the Religious are because I am talking about the PHILOSOPHY of forgiveness rather than revenge.

Many people believe in "Karma", that what you do comes back to you. If someone punches you, you'll punch back, et cetera. The only problem with this is that it leaves no room for forgiveness. If someone punches you and you punch back, yes, that is fair according to karma, but now that person will get revenge and punch again or even worse. You could have just chosen to live in "Grace/Forgiveness" rather than "Revenge/Karma" and let the whole situation to dissolve.

Living in Allowance is the same thing as living in forgiveness. Forgiveness just means you are "allowing" past experiences that you deem as "bad" that happened. Allowance means you are just allowing all to be as they are, and not resisting what has happened to you. Of course, if you put your hand in fire, it burns and the body will want to move away , and to NOT move away is resistance to the body protecting itself. I am not saying to stay in danger. I am simply saying if you allow moment by moment, even when it is time to get away from danger you say "this moment is ok" and move away calmly, you'll be a lot happier.

There are certain universal laws, one of these laws is the universal law of karma.. "Good prevails over evil" When you hurt another person you are doing evil it does not matter in what way. The universal law of karma tells us that in some way or another you will get evil done in turn against you because you have done so unto another person. Some people manage to "bypass" this universal law of karma for a certain extended period of time ( the current worldpowers/elite) but sooner or later the infinite creator will also bring it to you.

God promises to AVENGE us of our enemies.

The key lies in placing the matter into God's hands and let HIM deal with the offender in His own time and way.

We have a PROMISE from God in Romans...

“Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord” ~ Romans 12:19.

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The universal law of karma doesn't exist for those who choose Forgiveness. It dissolves it.

If you want to continue believing in karma wishing harm on people who did wrong to you (revenge) then you are free to do so, but I choose to forgive and let go.


I forgive all of the people who did harm to me and wish that nothing bad comes their way, only peace and happiness and this inner peace and happiness will stop them from repeating their hurtful actions.

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I forgive all of the people who did harm to me and wish that nothing bad comes their way

You have been hurt a lot?

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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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You have been hurt a lot?

Whenever the mind doesn't get its way, it sees that as "hurt". When the mind holds on to such preferences and doesn't gets its way, it causes pain.

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Whenever the mind doesn't get its way, it sees that as "hurt". When the mind holds on to such preferences and doesn't gets its way, it causes pain.

Your soul is in pain!

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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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Your soul is in pain!

Maybe, depending on what happens. I don't know what I'll feel and I won't predict the future. If it happens it happens. Right now I am in peace.

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Maybe, depending on what happens. I don't know what I'll feel and I won't predict the future. If it happens it happens. Right now I am in peace.

I think your want to be wild and hedonistic. however you have too much morality to step beyond the limits required to get into that lifestyle.

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Originally posted by AthlonSavage
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I think your want to be wild and hedonistic. however you have too much morality to step beyond the limits required to get into that lifestyle.

If by hedonistic and wild you mean doing whatever you want to be happy, then I'd say we are all hedonistic to some extent, some more or less than others.

I think most people do what they do because they think it'll make them happy. Even those who follow strict rules, they believe that following such rules will bring rewards, so even that is motivated by one's happiness.

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If by hedonistic and wild you mean doing whatever you want to be happy, then I'd say we are all hedonistic to some extent, some more or less than others.

I meant pleasures of the flesh. You are a soul too weighed down in the construct of your regrets to be able to live the lifestyle you secretly desire.

38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. 39 But I [Jesus] tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. 41 If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

What this is saying, is not to accept evil, in the sense of if you are tempted to choose to go with it. This means do not resist an evil person from being evil. If you read the following verses above there will be examples about what this means. It is contrary to our human nature to not want an eye for an eye, or a tooth for a tooth and so on.

If an "evil" person does their evil towards you, and you embrace this teaching, then the evil man is not doing it towards you, but towards Jesus. If were being honest, these words are some of the hardest for me to embrace, as I am a hot head and easily angered, and have probably never came close to doing what Jesus says to do in these verses. Alot of this is that Jesus lays out a mindset for us, a way of life, a different way of approaching things. The more vicious the world is, the more trampled on Christians would get this passage seems to imply.

Another thing id like to add, is this doesn't apply to evil people in the sense of murderers and etc, clearly if there is a murderer trying to kill someone or you, then it is good to defend that said person, there are God given laws for this, but this is more about a personal level, the day to day thing.

When was the last time someone punched you in the face and you were given the option to turn the other cheek or punch back? Probably not in a long while, but if you reflect and look into Jesus' teaching, you will see this happens on a daily basis; the guy who cut you off in traffic, or the in-law who is always heckling you, or even the guy in this very forum who always has a target for you on your back. I know I fail each time with this teaching, but when I think about the type of person who can be successful with this teaching, that is someone who has something in there life only God can give. /preaching

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Originally posted by honested3
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth. 39 But I [Jesus] tell you, do not resist an evil person.

The word "person" was not in The King James Bible nor was it in the original text. It was a word that was added in order to change the meaning.

Originally posted by honested3
or even the guy in this very forum who always has a target for you on your back. I know I fail each time with this teaching, but when I think about the type of person who can be successful with this teaching, that is someone who has something in there life only God can give. /preaching

I think if people knew that this would bring happiness they would be more likely to do it. It just feels so freeing to just forgive and not hold on to things. The past is done. Getting revenge on someone who did bad to you will just escalate things.

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I think you are totally spot on with this thread - you know by the peace you feel - it cannot be wrong, cannot be doubted.
Things read in the bible often do sound crazy until it makes sense.

Originally posted by arpgme
I think if people knew that this would bring happiness they would be more likely to do it. It just feels so freeing to just forgive and not hold on to things. The past is done. Getting revenge on someone who did bad to you will just escalate things.

One must die and be reborn each moment.
Repentance is to come to this moment and have no thought of before or next.

Be in this moment clean, be cleansed of yesterday or even 2 minutes ago. If anything is required it will appear before you and will be dealt with accordingly without malice. All is accepted within this present space because this present space has no prior conditions.

It is only thought, words about before and after which hold the conditioning.
Thought/words appear to structure the never to be constructed but if the story they tell are believed then separation from God occurs - one lives in a hellish state of mind.

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I thought you might like this video - it is very beautiful and says what you are saying. I have posted it elsewhere but just thought it was a nice addition.

I think you have the karma thing wrong. It isn't, if someone punches then you punch them back but rather, if someone punches you then they have a punch coming but, not necessarily by you.

Also, it can mean that if someone punches you then you might have a big ole hug coming your way.

Not that I believe it but, that is the way I understand it.

Luke 18
New International Version (NIV)
The Parable of the Persistent Widow

Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. He said: “In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared what people thought. And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, ‘Grant me justice against my adversary.’

“For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, ‘Even though I don’t fear God or care what people think, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won’t eventually come and attack me!’”

And the Lord said, “Listen to what the unjust judge says. And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”

Luke 18

We may be admonished not to take matters into our own hands but certainly we are to recognized abuse and pray for justice.

Originally posted by longtimelurkerr
There are certain universal laws, one of these laws is the universal law of karma.. "Good prevails over evil" When you hurt another person you are doing evil it does not matter in what way. The universal law of karma tells us that in some way or another you will get evil done in turn against you because you have done so unto another person. Some people manage to "bypass" this universal law of karma for a certain extended period of time ( the current worldpowers/elite) but sooner or later the infinite creator will also bring it to you.

You can if you wish intercede for someone that may have done you some ill and no "karma" will come back around on them. Maybe you have some pity, or know the person was ignorant ect and want to extend them some grace. And in other cases not.