Last Decade Confirmed Warmest of Recorded Science

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It wasn't a reference to you but to the authors of the numerous blogs and articles written about that NASA report. No, it being discussed on ATS certainly does not qualify as scientific fact but there are posts in that thread worth reading. I'm still reading some of your sources but heading into town for the fireworks. I will address them. I think it's rather clear I don't ignore things I don't like or don't agree with.

Originally posted by Kali74
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...and ice cores and tree rings and sea bed cores which go back much further in time. Or are we supposed to ignore those?

These evidences have to do with natural conditions.

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Some of the ice sheets are acting very erratically. You can get massive melt in summer and more ice in winter. The climate is changing...

To be expected when the Earth is spending hundreds of years coming out of a mini-ice age.

Originally posted by SonOfTheLawOfOne

Originally posted by Kali74
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That article was discussed in this thread. The fact that you can't recognize the knots twisted into the NASA report by deniers speaks volumes.

The fact that you call dissenting views "deniers" shows how you prefer to label others rather than respect the debate. Nice strawman Kali, love how you completely avoided both of my rebuttals and not a word said about the SIM theory or barycentric influence of the sun. Just because something has been discussed here on ATS does not qualify it as factual either.

It's obvious where you stand in the debate. As soon as you called other perspectives by a slanderous term, you lost the discussion and abandoned the debate for your biased view.

~Namaste

Can you please go serve on the Supreme Court as Chief Justice? Your grasp of using truth is refreshing in this time when debates are ended only because one side knows they've run of ammo and must instead attack the structure of the opponent to cause emotional detraction.

Wow.......Perhaps these experts should ask the good people of Santa Rosa New Mexico, what they think of global warming......(ie reference to current freezing cold weather in "Hot" New Mexico).

Yes there will ALWAYS be Climate Change.....the Earth always has, and always will. Just ask the dinosaurs.

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Every rise in CO2 and temperature in the past 400K years shows the opposite, and nobody has PROVEN that it is CO2?

Not necessarily. That conclusion is based on early studies. More recent studies indicate that preserved CO2 levels in ice cores don't actually coincide with temperature indications as closely as thought.

We infer the phasing between CO2 concentration and Antarctic temperature at four times when their trends change abruptly. We find no significant asynchrony between them, indicating that Antarctic temperature did not begin to rise hundreds of years before the concentration of atmospheric CO2, as has been suggested by earlier studies.

sciences.blogs.liberation.fr...

Utilising a recently developed proxy for regional Antarctic temperature, derived from five near-coastal ice cores and two ice core CO2 records with high dating precision, we show that the increase in CO2 likely lagged the increase in regional Antarctic temperature by less than 400 yr and that even a short lead of CO2 over temperature cannot be excluded.

www.clim-past.net...

Im only 30 years old and i can remember in school the teaching of el nina el nino. That the gulf stream moved and oscillates the warm water, changing the weather ever 10 - 15 years. Now i'm only 30 and i don't remember much but its funny when i ask kids in high school today they don't know any thing about it. Why is this not being taught any more. Remember schools are for indoctrinating children when they are still impressionable.

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I am just watching the weather channel special report on how the earth internal temperature affects the weather also, interestingly the earth internal temperature or core temperature is related to the molted lave inside earth core that fluctuate like a thermostat to keep the earth in balance

So I will be very much interesting to know why this type of weather changing in earth natural cycles are not part of the overall climate change debate.

We concentrate on the surface of the earth, but somebody is forgetting what goes on inside earth.

i wish someone that studies global warming would come and live in scotland with our 9 months of winter a year .

that would soon sort them out global cooling more like 280 days of moisture a year and bloody proud of it .

Is anyone else concerned about methane much more than CO2?

Methane is a potent greenhouse gas, more potent than carbon dioxide unit per unit.[3] The concentration of methane in the Earth's atmosphere in 1998, expressed as a mole fraction, was 1745 nmol/mol (parts per billion, ppb). By 2008, however, global methane levels, which had stayed mostly flat since 1998, had risen to 1800 nmol/mol.[4]

In 2010, methane levels in the Arctic were measured at 1850 nmol/mol, a level over twice as high as at any time in the 400,000 years prior to the industrial revolution. Historically, methane concentrations in the world's atmosphere have ranged between 300 and 400 nmol/mol during glacial periods commonly known as ice ages, and between 600 to 700 nmol/mol during the warm interglacial periods. Recent research suggests that the Earth's oceans are a potentially important new source of Arctic methane.[43]

Methane is not toxic; however, it is extremely flammable and may form explosive mixtures with air.

As a gas it is flammable only over a narrow range of concentrations (5–15%) in air.

Source: en.wikipedia.org...

And when methane ignites, what is left remaining in the atmosphere?

Yeah, I know the situation is a LONG way off from getting to 5 percent atmospheric methane.. But still, if it begins to rapidly head in that direction, what is there that mankind could do to stop it?

No one seems to know exactly how much methane is locked up frozen that MIGHT be released.

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Michio Kaku? Come on. The same Michio Kaku that tells us we NEED to have a one world order. Dont believe a word he says. He has been compromised.

Originally posted by Rich Z
Is anyone else concerned about methane much more than CO2?

Methane is a potent greenhouse gas, more potent than carbon dioxide unit per unit.[3] The concentration of methane in the Earth's atmosphere in 1998, expressed as a mole fraction, was 1745 nmol/mol (parts per billion, ppb). By 2008, however, global methane levels, which had stayed mostly flat since 1998, had risen to 1800 nmol/mol.[4]

In 2010, methane levels in the Arctic were measured at 1850 nmol/mol, a level over twice as high as at any time in the 400,000 years prior to the industrial revolution. Historically, methane concentrations in the world's atmosphere have ranged between 300 and 400 nmol/mol during glacial periods commonly known as ice ages, and between 600 to 700 nmol/mol during the warm interglacial periods. Recent research suggests that the Earth's oceans are a potentially important new source of Arctic methane.[43]

Methane is not toxic; however, it is extremely flammable and may form explosive mixtures with air.

As a gas it is flammable only over a narrow range of concentrations (5–15%) in air.

Source: en.wikipedia.org...

And when methane ignites, what is left remaining in the atmosphere?

Yeah, I know the situation is a LONG way off from getting to 5 percent atmospheric methane.. But still, if it begins to rapidly head in that direction, what is there that mankind could do to stop it?

No one seems to know exactly how much methane is locked up frozen that MIGHT be released.

Do you realise just how massive a quantity 5% of the earths athmosphere is? It will take 100's of billions of years of bio matter degradation to produce these amounts. Dont fall for the scare tactics. We got scared of communism, socialism, terrorism and now they are scaring us with the climate. The only problem with pollution are the mega corporations spewing heavy elements into the athmosphere and destroying natural habitats around the globe. It is not Co2 or methane. When are people going to realise that tptb fill us with this crap just so they can act like our parents and have a reason for controlling us. If we didn't have these 'problems', we wouldn't feel as much of a need for these controlling, manipulative sob's. They need a reason to act like our guardians, tell us off when things go bad, a reason for them to exist in their power hungry positions.....its called control. They are paranoid and scared. People who love money and power are the weakest spiritually, they are so fearful of someone else controlling them that they waste their one chance of existence on this planet by ruining other peoples chances to exist. We may only have one shot at life here on earth, yet some use this unique opportunity to destroy other souls experiences. How awful must these rich and power hungry people feel when they come to the end of their lives and think about how they spent their one opportunity by destroying others.......for what? This thought really saddens me. I dont hate tptb, I feel really sorry for them, they are lost and misguided. Wasting their lives and others too.

Alaska has just ended its coldest, longest winter, hailstones on the 4th July in New Mexico, three cool summers in a row in Europe, Greenland ice sheet at minus 32c (three days ago) Antarctic sea ice 10% above normal.
One thing strange about those those photos of the Arctic ice, as Greenland is in a lower latitude, therefore warmer, why is the sheet sheet still the same size?
For daily updates on "global warming" log on to 'climate depot'.

Originally posted by greavsie1971
Do you realise just how massive a quantity 5% of the earths athmosphere is? It will take 100's of billions of years of bio matter degradation to produce these amounts.

So, are you unaware of the sources of the largest concentrations of methane on this planet?

"hypothetically" lets say CO2 is causing Global warming,,,,,How will a carbon credit stock market fix it?... It will be manipulated just like Wall Street ,,,any hardcore Eco-Fascist worth their weight admits this...

& "NO" at this point in time,,it is not better than doing nothing,,,the resulting poverty this has potenial too cause at minimum could result in social unrest,, if not WWIII ..& then CO2 will be the least of your problems....

most likely TBTB will use the carbon credits too back some form of a new world currency eventually,,,if the bubble doesn't burst beforehand & they got to be bailed out








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I am an ice fishing junkie and have been doing it for 35 years. I watch the weather like a hawk waiting for the lakes to freeze every year. I have to say the last 10 years have been horrible for ice fishing. The lakes use to freeze like clock work around the same time every year. I'm in lower Michigan and in 2012 the lakes never froze. Last year they didn't freeze until the winter was 2/3 of the way over. I have to agree about things warming up. The last 10 years have been horrible for the sport. I'm not sure if it's just a warm cycle or if global warming really exists. One thing is for sure it's been warmer then usual.

The earth warms and cools and has been for ages.

There is nowhere near enough empirical evidence to tell if humans are having any significant effect on
the planet's natural cycles.

If you're really worried about it, quit breeding....

It's definitely changing and is doing so quickly in terms of our perceptions - gradual to me means we barely notice the change. June felt like spring and winter (full winter coat one day and the next lighter rain gear). July has been stifling as it should but today feels like september (that autumn chill). We have always had variations in the seasons but not to these extremes.

I have green leaves falling off of my trees and sweep up hundreds of them each day. Its happening with my neighbors too. For now I attribute this (no scientific) to the confusion of the trees. Some leaves have turned brown as I noticed yesterday. Interesting new natural spin thrown into this with the core of the earth. Something to look into.

Originally posted by greavsie1971
Michio Kaku? Come on. The same Michio Kaku that tells us we NEED to have a one world order. Dont believe a word he says. He has been compromised.

The things that we point out here at ATS - they are always very surprising, the truth is always very surprising because it is hidden and people will tell lies in 'order' to keep it hidden.

Thank you, I am disappointed but would rather know. Now I can say for sure that he is one of the most stupid physicists, not the smartest.