The Selective Outrage of the NSA Spying Dog and Pony Show

One more thread about Spying with some historical facts instead of the tunnel vision that so many people seem to have at the moment.

Say hello to the largest intrusion of Americans ever:

Think NSA Spying Is Bad? Here Comes ObamaCare Hub

Democrats push to redeploy Obama’s voter database

CFPB conducting “warrantless surveillance”

Holder needs to explain DOJ’s spying on journalists

So if one actually reads those articles there are multiple 'agencies' in multiple areas that are 'spying on them'.

Between financial and healthcare that is more intrusive imo.

My issue the 'majority' are only focused on NSA that everyone knows spies on people, but why so damn silent on those other government agencies?

Anyone paying attention to the surveillance states massive expansion of the past few years always out doing it self?

From keyhole satellites,to drones over American skies coming to a town near you even if by some miracle the NSA stops spying still have those other agencies to deal with, just without all the 'bark'.

what you posted is just the tip of the spear to ones freedoms and rights, as the saying goes "you aint seen nothing yet"

reply to post by neo96


Waking up from a deep freeze of denial is incremental. IMO this is progress. I believe it will be a topic in the next round of elections, which should be interesting.

Originally posted by InverseLookingGlass
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Waking up from a deep freeze of denial is incremental. IMO this is progress. I believe it will be a topic in the next round of elections, which should be interesting.

Sure it will be it was in the last one all that 'hope and change' was nothing. but more of the same.

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You're right, there's a lot for the public to be outraged about. But, what pisses me off is the selective bipartisanism by our politicians. Only time the dirtbags (both parties) in government work together is when there is a massive CYA manuver to be performed. If they worked just as hard to get some solutions, instead of engaging in the eternal pissing contests, I would like to believe some of these problems wouldn't exist...but I'm a hopeless optimist.

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Well, I must say the last election was full of hope and change. It overflowed with it. In fact, it overflowed so much, I feel more hope and change now than I did then!

I honestly HOPE something CHANGES soon! !

See? Hope and change all over the place. ...as I am sure my comments have been properly recorded, sorted and categorized in at least a half dozen different data centers before it's been posted for more than a minute.

The next election will be "Delete or Save".

At the end of this current group of organized criminals.

All I hope is I still have some change...

It's called data mining, we as a country give out all sorts of information all day every day. We give out our location every time we make a cell phone call. We give out our location every time we log onto the internet and don't use a proxy.

Use your Debit card? Location logged.

Library books? Yep there too.

Everywhere. All the time, we are logged.

Now the question is, do you unplug and drop out of society? Or, do you accept that this is just the way it is going to be and move on with your life?

In 2001/2002, during the 9/11 inquiry, the NSA admitted on the record both at the inquiry and in Congressional record that it recorded every single phone call made in America, and there was barely a sign of outrage from ANYONE.

It's taken 12 years for the collective American public to suddenly realize what most of us have known for years, and there is this sudden outrage - I think most of the outrage is over the fact that they didn't pay attention 12 years ago.

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From keyhole satellites,to drones over American skies coming to a town near you even if by some miracle the NSA stops spying still have those other agencies to deal with, just without all the 'bark'.

Amen brother, What would we should be paranoid about is when Homeland Security gets tired of dealing with Al Qaeda and turns their immense power on the citizens of the US. I worry about when bumfuzzel North Carolina towns are asking for license plate recognition cameras and airborne drones to look for Hot Spots. While the dumb conspiracy people are worried about the NSA spying on phone calls from Pakistan, i worry about what these asshats are going to do when the foreign threat is over.

All you internet conspiracy theorists need to go to Wallmart and try to buy a good AR15 and 1000 rounds of ammo. A year ago you could, now you can't. Why the hell is that?

Remember Clinton? His glorious Administration killed a young boy and his dog, followed up by killing his mother holding an infant. That wasn't enough, so they found some religious nut jobs who believed in the end times and burnt them all alive. Then they decided that a Cuban mother, who died trying to get her boy to America (Land of the Free and Home of the Brave) needed to send in armed ninjas to collect the boy and send him back to fricken CUBA. An this was a lefty President...

Post 911, what do you think they will do once they tire of the foreign threat?

I don't worry about them culling my meta data on phone calls and emails. I worry about armed thugs kicking in my door at 3 am to look for "subversives". I worry about the United States that my Son's will live in.


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I guess people think all those agencies are doing it on there own. The NSA puts it in the cloud and allows them to see what the NSA wants them to see. You want to pay your property tax and you did a addition to the house and are not going to say anything? They give them satellite photos similar to Google but the unedited version the government receives from Google to see what you added to your house and estimate the additional square footage to bill you for.

Think all those free search engines out there to find where people live and who lives in that house or reverse phone lookup is something a hacker put there for you to use? Try it is the NSA who puts it there to see who is looking at who. That data is part of the NSA cloud of data. Spokeo is the scary one. Estimate of how much you earn. Or how about Radaris they will show email accounts websites web blogs screen names. That is also part of the NSA cloud.

Think your credit monitoring is to keep you safe from hackers? They report anything fishy to the feds. If it is you who did some thing fishy that gets reported to. How about where George Zimmerman worked? Digital Risk, LLC. They work with the FBI and the Treasury on Mortgage fraud investigations. All applications for a new or changed mortgage is sent to them to dig through your credit history and see what you are up to. It is not to protect mortgage companies it is to look for any criminal activity from laundering of money and drug grow houses or hiding property from taxes. It all goes in the cloud and who knows what multiple purposes it will be used for.

More fuel for the fire:

Rumors have abounded for several years of a massive system designed to intercept virtually all email and fax traffic in the world and subject it to automated analysis, despite laws in many nations (including this one) barring such activity. The laws were circumvented by a mutual pact among five nations. It's illegal for the United States to spy on its citizens. Likewise the same for Great Britain. But under the terms of the UKUSA agreement, Britain spies on Americans and America spies on British citizens and the two groups trade data. Technically, it may be legal, but the intent to evade the spirit of the laws protecting the citizens of those two nations is clear.

uts.cc.utexas.edu...

The system is called ECHELON, and had been rumored to be in development since 1947, the result of the UKUSA treaty signed by the governments of the United States, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

uts.cc.utexas.edu...

Back to the 'non revelation' of US spying.

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Holder needs to explain DOJ’s spying on journalists

I don't think you will EVER see Holder explain this.


EVER.

Just remember Fast and Furious. Still hasn't been explained, nor will it be.

The ground work for this was laid YEARS AGO:

It is the sense of Congress that providers of electronic communications services and manufacturers of electronic communications service equipment shall ensure that communications systems permit the government to obtain the plain text contents of voice, data, and other communications when appropriately authorized by law.

news.cnet.com...

ECHELON is 60 yrs old.......
Theyve been doing much more than listening and reading your personal and private mail.....
They collect medical, financial, psychological, any and all records with your name on it.....and thats gonna be accessable to them as long as you live........whether you LIKE IT OR NOT!
These records are "analyzed for irregularties" by computers the wolrd wont see for twenty or more years yet.......
Soon the capability to anticipate crimes will be enhanced through this survielance till laws will be passed for
pre crime arrest and "intervention" read brainwashing.....
The hardware, and the software is all ready right now...it merely needs to be connected to as many data sources
as they can tap into.....
The various operations of the different agencies will overlap ito one completely all inclusive web of survielance.
Tripwire, ECHELON,PRISM, and many many more will constanrly feed data to mega machines that will issue warrants for arrests....
No defence will be possible to pre crime charges......as who can prove they wouldnt have done it?
Thus the prisons will become the industrial base of the society as more will be in than will be out......

So what does it look like when they begin rerouting the internet to the Utah spy center?

cryptome.org...

And that is not spying by the UK in Utah.