Revolution!!! (U.S)

they know every word say every call you make every email you send every uninsured car out their .

but they cannot catch the illegal immigrants or snowden

Originally posted by EA006
If you're that p***ed at your government why not do something useful with those guns.

Sure, let's go right at the Door of the US military, ignore the fact that they have NUCLEAR BOMBS and DRONES and DEEP UNDERGROUND MILITARY BASES and MISSILES and ACTIVE DENIAL SYSTEM, and point guns, see how friendly they react.

Never tickle a sleeping dragon.

reply to post by swanne


That's just stupid.

reply to post by EA006


Why is it stupid? Swanne is bang on in his/her comment.
What is stupid is making a thread called revolution, trying to get people geared up for one (failed btw) and putting a disclosure in the op that means jack poop.

Originally posted by EA006
reply to post by swanne

 

That's just stupid.

No. Provoking the biggest military, in the whole damn World, is stupid.

I hope to god that a revolution never happens here without a lot of thought first.

The military comprehension from some of you scares me to pieces and I don't scare easily.

Having guns isn't a pre-requisite for victory you know.
It's not even a major component to what a real victory would look like.

You simply want to remove the people who negate their duties and replace them with honest people.
Not destroy our civilization.

The gun aspect while helpful is completely useless when the rule of law currently enabled disallows such action.

First step is to observe these people. Find out specifics of who they are and what they do.
Next step would be to infiltrate and once inside try and cause a change.

If these steps have already occurred then it's time to just set up a Transitional Government and remove their legitimacy.

That's if there is actually a conspiracy in the first place...
They could just be a really really inept government to begin with.

reply to post by nerbot


Good luck organizing one with anything other then face to face encounters in a world that has become "tapped". Not that I don't agree that we're due, but it's rather hard to organize something like that in a tyranical environment using only face to face communication because you can't trust any other modern form. Perhaps we should try to use carrier pigeons to get our point across?

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I mean taking on the military head on. That's just stupid.

reply to post by EA006


You don't have to take it head on for it to react.

reply to post by swanne


It doesn't have to react at all. I don't think you'd be facing the threat you think if people new the reason for revolution was to overthrow a corrupt government.

Originally posted by EA006

It's written in your constitution that you have the right to bear arms.
There are millions of you, armed to the teeth in some cases.
The inventory of weapons available to you at a civilian level is extensive and impressive.


If you're that p***ed at your government why not do something useful with those guns.



Disclaimer: I am not instigating revolution in the U.S

edit on 26-6-2013 by EA006 because: Disclaimer

Don't you know that they have computers that do nothing but take note of certain key words that are said on the net? You may say that you are not instigating a revolution but it doesn't matter to them. They see everything now and read and hear everything now. As for a revolution, no, we don't need or want one. There is too much killing and destruction in the world. Frankly I'm pretty much tired of it all.

Originally posted by spartaocean
What your insisting would be treason. Just to clarify, and no coming back.

It would only be called treason by people who conform to the governments corrupt ways. It's truly a matter of opinion depending on who you ask actually, but iI think it is not treasonous.

There's no current way to win the PR war that would take place first. Any revolution would be stopped in its tracks by bad PR and everyone in it being marked as terrorists; it would lose speed and just lead to them having more power.

It’s one of the reasons they’re fighting to smear Snowden so bad. So far he’s done one of the best jobs placing bad PR on the government.

But without a reliable way to generate good PR for a revolution, it just would end up being very short lived and counter productive.

hey OP....
Most folks know not to F*** with us 'mericans'...
seems you need to be taught a lesson.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
I love the disclaimer

Revolution!!! get your guns and do something about it......btw Iam not instigating revolution (despite having it in the title and in the OP)

There is a difference between being an instigator of something and merely discussing it. There are a lot of people here who seem so scared of their own government they are reluctant to even discuss or debate the process, the likelihood, the scenarios or the possible outcomes.

The simple fact that people have been scared into self-censorship for fear of having their name on a list, or having someone knock at their door - just for debating on a forum - is example enough that something is terribly wrong.

If you are feeling this way as an individual, fearful that even talking about a subject like this could result in punishment of some kind, then just think about how this translates to journalists, writers, the social discussion and even your own elected representatives.

This is the chilling effect, where even the threat of totalitarianism produces a limiting of freedom and debate. By just having the system in place they are stifling debate and free discussion, and you are all feeling the effects of it.

BTW, this is exactly what has happened in the lead up to all fascist regimes and totalitarian governments from a previously free and libertarian society. It's also self-perpetuating, where even discussing anything against what is causing this chilling effect helps to perpetuate it until no one is speaking out against it at all and it is allowed to continue without restraint.

Originally posted by spartaocean
What your insisting would be treason. Just to clarify, and no coming back.

It is not treason if those in government have violated their sworn oath to the Constitution... they have... now it is fair game. Having said that, "they" have to be the ones to fire first. The reason is that Americans must have the moral highground, and if Jimmy John and the boys go storming D.C. they will not have the moral highground. Now if "they" storm Jimmy John's farm and Jimmy John and the boys fire back then that is a different story.

Originally posted by babybunnies
Unfortunately, the average American won't get off the couch to change the channel on the tv, let alone overthrow their Government.

I posted this in another thread yesterday and figured that it would fit in well here too...

It's like this in most western countries now. As long as people are fed and entertained they don't really have any desire to stir the pot. Does this remind anybody else of a certain past civilization?

The ordinary citizens of ancient Rome were anonymous and had little to occupy them. Some were shopkeepers, some were artisans, some were bodyguards, minor officials, and so on. Many didn't have meaningful jobs since the slaves performed most of the basic tasks. Hence arose the Roman policy of panem et circenses - "bread and circuses". As long as the Senate could feed the masses and keep them entertained, the Roman "mob" was reasonably easy to control.

The only differences nowadays: Fast food instead of bread and television/internet/video games instead of circuses.

Originally posted by nerbot
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It won't happen in America because all people seem to be interested in is looking after themselves.

well considering nearly half our pay checks go to supporting other people in the form of various taxes, licenses, fees and charities, i am a bit reluctant to take your view of it. our roads were built with monies every day people earned, as were our other state and federal buildings. the people who work in this country, the ones lucky enough to have jobs, support the ones who don't or who can't with everything from food to housing, medical care, education and special services.

i know it's not optimal, obviously, but it certainly doesn't say they are only "interested in looking after themselves"

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on the contrary, our constitution demands action by the people

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness....

interesting video about the economy vs. charities in the us.