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Then what's wrong with calling for her to "resign" from the Catholic Church? She applied to it, was accepted into it, started breaking the rules flamboyantly, and we're supposed to be concerned that she's being asked to find another group or mend her ways?
If this pro-life group had hired her, then yes, she should be fired.
Nonsense. Balderdash. If it was, why does she keep talking about it in press conferences? Now Romney didn't want to talk about his religion, but Pelosi trumpets it.
But her religion is between her and her God.
Of course the Church has something to say about it. It's been condemned since before I was an embryo. How it's handled in the case of Mrs. Willheim down the street? That's between her and her Priest, but the Church is clear on it's teachings about abortion.
And this group is being hypocritical by calling on her to leave the church when they have nothing to say about the thousands of Catholic women who use birth control and have abortions.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by charles1952
Originally posted by charles1952
If you are honest, you will say that that person should be fired as non-representative of the group
If this pro-life group had hired her, then yes, she should be fired. But her religion is between her and her God.
Sister Pat Farrell, the departing president of the nuns’ group, the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, said at a news conference that the members of her organization wanted to be “recognized as equal in the church,” to have their style of religious life “respected and affirmed,” and to help create a climate in which everyone in the church can talk about “issues that are very complicated.”
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The Vatican accused the group of promoting “radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith” and “corporate dissent” against church teachings, like those prohibiting the ordination of women to the priesthood, same-sex relationships and artificial birth control.
www.nytimes.com...
The Catholic Church needs to embrace change.
As far as abortion goes and according to the Catholic Church, it is forbidden! If she does not want to adhere to that core belief? Then she has a serious conflict on her hands.
Furthermore, she should recuse herself from government. She will not though, because that power is so satisfying. Just another hypocrite, and there are scores of them these days.
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
Dear Benevolent Heretic,
I responded to your U2U as requested, also the post prior to yours. I hope it satisfies.
Then what's wrong with calling for her to "resign" from the Catholic Church? She applied to it, was accepted into it, started breaking the rules flamboyantly, and we're supposed to be concerned that she's being asked to find another group or mend her ways?
If this pro-life group had hired her, then yes, she should be fired.
Nonsense. Balderdash. If it was, why does she keep talking about it in press conferences? Now Romney didn't want to talk about his religion, but Pelosi trumpets it.
But her religion is between her and her God.
Of course the Church has something to say about it. It's been condemned since before I was an embryo. How it's handled in the case of Mrs. Willheim down the street? That's between her and her Priest, but the Church is clear on it's teachings about abortion.
And this group is being hypocritical by calling on her to leave the church when they have nothing to say about the thousands of Catholic women who use birth control and have abortions.
With respect,
Charles1952
Do you honestly believe that Jesus would be favour of abortion rights?
I don't think that Jesus would support the Pope or the Vatican if he were here today.
Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by windword
I don't think that Jesus would support the Pope or the Vatican if he were here today.
That isn't what I asked you, is it?
Do you believe that Jesus would be in favour of abortion rights, the issue that is being raised as regards Nancy Pelosi?
Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by windword
I don't think that Jesus would support the Pope or the Vatican if he were here today.
That isn't what I asked you, is it?
Do you believe that Jesus would be in favour of abortion rights, the issue that is being raised as regards Nancy Pelosi?
Hypocrite-ville!!
How do you have any business prescribing that? Do you know the Church? Love the Church? Want it to be a strong beacon of faith? Or do you simply want it to embrace your positions? Positions it has already rejected at the highest levels.
The Catholic Church needs to embrace change.
Originally posted by windword
Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by windword
I don't think that Jesus would support the Pope or the Vatican if he were here today.
That isn't what I asked you, is it?
Do you believe that Jesus would be in favour of abortion rights, the issue that is being raised as regards Nancy Pelosi?
YES!
No evidences exists for the illegality of abortion under the Roman republic. Attitudes changes with the spread of Christianity and around 211 CE emperors Septimius Severus and Caracalla banned abortion as infringing on parental rights; temporary exile was the punishment.[16] This new attitude is reflected in the third century legal compilation Pauli sententiae (attributed to Julius Paulus Prudentissimus):
[T]hose who administer a beverage for the purpose of producing abortion, or of causing affection, although they may not do so with malicious intent, still, because the act offers a bad example, shall, if of humble rank, be sent to the mines; or, if higher in degree, shall be relegated to an island, with the loss of a portion of their property. If a man or a woman should lose his or her life through such an act, the guilty party shall undergo the extreme penalty.
en.wikipedia.org...
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by adjensen
Abortion wasn't illegal in Rome, at the time of the life of Jesus. It wasn't until 200 years later that Christianity ruled on abortion law.
How do you have any business prescribing that? Do you know the Church? Love the Church? Want it to be a strong beacon of faith? Or do you simply want it to embrace your positions? Positions it has already rejected at the highest levels.
The Catholic Church needs to embrace change.
In recent years, as the Vatican dug into conservative positions on matters of sexual morality, a renewed embrace of the church’s social mission seemed about as much as reformist Catholics could hope for. Yet a deeper change seems to be at work. In a recent homily at a Mass attended by Vatican employees and a few guests, Francis showed a willingness to reconcile with those outside the faith — in a way that is unprecedented in recent Catholic theology.
Francis’s immediate predecessors regularly derided what they called the “culture of death” in speaking of those outside the faith. But in a homily in the chapel at St. Martha’s, this pope lifted up what he called the “culture of encounter.” In contrast to the habitual denigration of those of other religions — a mark of Catholic teaching for a generation — the Argentine pope praised every human being as a source of goodness. “Even the atheists?” he asked, giving voice in the homily to his inevitable critics. “ ‘But Father, this is not Catholic! [Atheists] cannot do good!’ ”
In a remarkable homily, Pope Francis hints at change in church’s thinking
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by adjensen
Abortion wasn't illegal in Rome, at the time of the life of Jesus. It wasn't until 200 years later that Christianity ruled on abortion law.
Once again, that isn't what I asked you -- Jesus was not Roman, nor was he fond of Pharisaic Law.
Where does he teach the murder of innocents?
John 9
And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Matthew 24:19
And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
And to you, the abortion doctor who was convicted last month of removing fetuses and severing their spines to kills them, was that acceptable behaviour to you? If not, what "magic" happens that makes killing babies in the womb okay, but killing them outside the womb not?
Did Nancy Pelosi get an abortion? Is she urging women to get abortions? No. She is defending their right to choose. She is protecting their right to safe, affordable and accessible feminine health care, including birth control and abortion. You don't think that politicians should force their religious beliefs on their constituents do you?
The Catholic Church also considers the Pill, the IUD, NORPLANT, the Morning After Pill and any hormonal birth control to cause abortion. Pew Research claims that 98% of sexually active Catholic women use artificial contraception. 27% of women who had abortions claimed to be Catholic. Talk about hypocrites.
Why should she recuse herself? Because you think she's a hypocrite?