ATS A Freemasony Front? No wonder good posts go un-noticed.

Looking back on my title, "Freemasonry" shouldn't have been the word I used. While Freemasonry is merely a huge part of the massive Cabal that lurks in the shadows, it's not to take all the blame. There are far too many different groups and organizations that have worked together to get the agenda in place..

In one way or another, we are all victims of mind control. Anything after Nazi Germany in America has been the pits of hell. Those negative forces didn't just go away, they were embraced and brought over shore to perfect a mind-controlled, slave society. I don't care which way you look at it, we are all under the force of something MUCH bigger than us, and no matter how you decide to deny it, it's everywhere.

I'm not going to play into the whole, need proof, show links, nutcase posts. I can feel it in my soul and you can too.

Originally posted by clairvoyantrose

I'm not going to play into the whole, need proof, show links, nutcase posts. I can feel it in my soul and you can too.

Firstly, no, I can't "feel it in my soul", I'd suggest what you "feel" may be paranoia or a hyper sense of self import...
Second, your ludicrous attempt at self exemption from proof of claims by demeaning those who ask for it as "nutcase posts" says much more about you than it does those asking for a shred of evidence to support your claims.



Springer...

covertpanther
Yea you guys keep repeating yourself.

What else can we do with pathetic keyboard commandos with little better to do than role-play at being an anonymous smart-ass board Troll just for the LOLs.

I'm not calling you liars

Yes, you did...

CIA and Freemason written all over it...
...less hidden agendas, less CIA rats

We've made the origins, inspiration, and open-aspirations of ATS abundantly clear. To attempt to convince people otherwise -- for your own apparent perverse enjoyment -- is most definitely call us liars. There is no other way to state it. You are pathetic.

Should we not be respected as indivduals

No. I do not respect pathetic keyboard commandos playing games behind a made-up name and calling me out as a liar.

It doesnt make sense to keep switching from one Mod/Site Owner to the next

Oh... I don't know... [size==4]we have lives!
Unlike typical keyboard commandos

If you REALLY arent involved with the enemy;

See, there you go again. Not believing the long history all our other previous statements to the fact.

Pathetic. Pitiful. Sad. I pity how devoid of true inspiration and motivation your life must be.

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WOW!
I am truly disgusted right now, its one thing to defend your work and your ethics, but another entirely to make such personal remarks, so much for standards...
seriously, stop acting like a jaded high school drama queen.
Is this the new standard now when we are confronted with opposing viewpoints, i have come to expect this type of childish behavior from some of your other members but to see you degenerate into this mindset...truly disgusting!

Originally posted by RadicalRebel
reply to post by SkepticOverlord

 

WOW!
I am truly disgusted right now, its one thing to defend your work and your ethics, but another entirely to make such personal remarks, so much for standards...
seriously, stop acting like a jaded high school drama queen.
Is this the new standard now when we are confronted with opposing viewpoints, i have come to expect this type of childish behavior from some of your other members but to see you degenerate into this mindset...truly disgusting!

Ya...instead of perhaps following the judicious and intelligent advice that's probably been given to countless members over the years (i.e. if you don't like the thread - you are not forced to participate), or, if you have a problem with material that is contravening T&C - report it to a mod (oops! They are the site owners...)...nevermind contravene away...


With much love and understanding

Å99

RadicalRebel
so much for standards...

Why should we suffer the most outrageous of rude fools who come here to call us liars?

opposing viewpoints

If only it were that tame.

These dolts come here to call us liars who are essentially in collusion with the enemy. It's a direct attack on us, our staff, and our members.

Click here for more information.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

RadicalRebel
so much for standards...

Why should we suffer the most outrageous of rude fools who come here to call us liars?

opposing viewpoints

If only it were that tame.

These dolts come here to call us liars who are essentially in collusion with the enemy. It's a direct attack on us, our staff, and our members.

which is why you kill them with kindness.....if he personally attacked you, then either use your manners and decorum to show him up, and make him look foolish....OR you give him a vacation for his transgressions...

to lower yourself into the muck is no kind of example to set -shrug-

as to the history of this place, facebook has a long, and falsified history...we know what they are, and where they came from...i'm absolutely NOT saying the same is true of this place, i'm simply saying that the precedent exists, and anyone TRULY skeptical wouldn't simply dismiss the possibility out of hand just because "hey, it's ATS"

i'm not really on ANYONE's side here, so i hope you don't see it as me siding with anyone...i'm just pointing out what i see as an observer..

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Your points sucks.

Nice adhominem atttack.

You are calling me, my partners, and my entire ATS staff bald-faced liars.

When did I ever say this?

And if we said nothing, you'd claim our silence is evidence you must be on to the truth. Pure idiocy from those who choose to believe those who spread malicious lies about us.

Then why are threads containing this subject, and some of it's users banned when talking about ATS being maybe more then meets the eye?

Your search didn't work, but I already posted it above... it's here.

That still dosen't "debunk" the information from the sht hits the fan 411 link.

Where is your own effort at research? Oh, right, you're too lazy to think and would rather parrot the lies of other people and create a fashionable bash-ATS thread. Got it.

No, I am simply asking questions, on a conspiracy board. Again, truth does not fear investigation.

Do your own research on Google and search this: "site:abovetopsecret.com linkto:nsa.gov" 11,000+ mentions of nsa.gov within our 4 million+ pages of content. I suppose that's why... since the Internet map looks for semantic linkages (as has been mentioned, but again, you're too lazy to read/research). Jerk.

This does not make any sense whatsoever. And again, what's up with the ad hominem attacks? Sort of shooting yourself in the foot by posting them. Semantic linkages? Then why isn't youtube or wikipedia next to ATS then, because that's what linked the most on this website.

Bull. You're exceptionally rude. You come to my house, and call me a liar in collusion with the "enemy" in front of all my guests. That's as rude as it gets.

Again, I'm just asking questions. Is there anything wrong with that? With the use of your ad hominem attacks it looks like I struck a nerve, and I don't know why we can't have a decent discussion on this.

Like I said before, the thread you posted about "debunking" ATS=DOD did not mention anything of the sht hits the fan 411 thread, which is different from the April Fools thread on ATS.


Honestly, I think your the one being more rude here, I'm just asking questions and opening something up that's worthy of discussion especially with Cass Sunsteins thoughts we've all heard.

In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-”independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites — as well as other activist groups — which advocate views that Sunstein deems “false conspiracy theories” about the Government. This would be designed to increase citizens’ faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists. The paper’s abstract can be read, and the full paper downloaded, here.

-www.salon.com...


Cheers

Originally posted by Skjord
reply to post by SkepticOverlord

 

Your points sucks.

Nice adhominem atttack.

No...... Its the Truth! Problem is this. If you did ANY research into how many threads have been created out of outright lies, slander, and BS, you too would be saying the same damn thing. Especially if it was YOUR site !

Period !


Just do a little search on the subject. Use Google or ATS search.

Deny Ignorance, instead of embracing it..........You might learn something.

Skjord
When did I ever say this?

Here...

I just want to know why mods/site owners can not debunk what I posted above...

By not accepting our word, and promoting the lies of pathetic losers who are incapable of accomplishing something meaningful.

Then why are threads containing this subject, and some of it's users banned when talking about ATS being maybe more then meets the eye?

Again, you accept the parroted trash of fools and idiots. Turnabout -- why are you not accepting our clearly expressed explanations?

That still dosen't "debunk" the information from the sht hits the fan 411 link.

It's *ALL* been debunked already.

No, I am simply asking questions

No. You're parroting absurd and malicious lies. Why the surprise at my intense disdain for those who do?

Then why isn't youtube or wikipedia next to ATS then, because that's what linked the most on this website.

Brush up on the semantic web. Much larger and more popular sites link to those, so they will all be much closer than ATS.

Again, I'm just asking questions.

I call bull. You're just trying to improve your own "troll karma" amongst the carpet pissers.


If you walked into a restaurant full of patrons enjoying their meals and yelled lies that the chef uses cats and dogs instead of chicken and beef, and that he's secretly doing terrible things -- how do you think you'd be treated?

Daedalus
which is why you kill them with kindness.....

That never worked.

to lower yourself into the muck is no kind of example to set -shrug-

I'm pissed, and am defending our members more than myself.

facebook has a long, and falsified history...

We do not. There's no association.

i'm just pointing out what i see as an observer.

And I'm just pointing out that I'm really [#$%@] pissed at the imbeciles with no life-skills other than trolling and pissing on carpets. We tried every tactic -- even being accommodating and helpful to one of the most insane creators of lies, and it only actually made things worse.

No more. If someone comes here and parrots all these manufactured lies about us, YOU WILL see me being really pissed. It's that simple.

Losers and fools, all of them.

From my experiences on ATS, good posts usually go un-noticed due to the average ATS user having a concentration span of no more than 2 pages on any thread. Go look at any thread on here, and count the amount of stars given on the first 2 pages of any thread, then go in another 10 pages and count the stars. Most people on ATS seem to read the attention grabbing heading, then read a few comments or 2 pages worth at the very most, and then move onto the next attention grabbing headline.

Even if ATS was a Freemasonry front, they wouldn't have to work very hard knowing that we will just move onto the next shiny thing we see. The Freemason's are not stupid, it would be too obvious to be a Freemasonry front, but if they were to use their age old trick of infiltration, then a full takeover is not needed when you have enough of the right people in the right places, just as they have done with Government. You get the same results but without the obvious footprints.

Infiltration isn't about full takeover, its about subtle placements to control the key areas, giving full control but the impression of little control. If every member of Government was a Freemason, it would be pretty obvious the game was rigged. But if key positions, or advisors to those positions were filled by Freemasons it would give them the same power, but without their control being so obvious, making it almost impossible to point a direct finger of blame at them. Why do you think most Governments send in the Economic hitmen first, then the assassin's or black ops' groups, before they send in an Army ? The Army would be too obvious, but the Economic hitmen, or black op's groups can achieve sometimes the same outcome without the obvious Army rolling into town.

Wow

Haters gona hate rather fruitless attack on the site/staff/ admin.

ATS readers are Finicky so people can't blame the site for it's readers.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

That never worked.

ok, maybe it doesn't work for you, not your style, whatever....not gonna argue with you....not a viable strategy for you, we'll leave it at that....

moving right along now...

I'm pissed, and am defending our members more than myself.

ok, it's cool to be pissed.....but again, lowering yourself to the level of your opponent is not the way to go...

who's more childish; the man who acts like a 5 year-old because it's how he's wired, or the man who stoops to acting like a 5 year-old just to "win"?

you lose the high ground once you start playing by their rules....not picking on you or anything, i just always sort of imagined you lot (management) were better than all this

We do not. There's no association.

never said there was....see this is the problem when you hack apart a post, and pick and choose what pieces of sentences you're going to reply to...things get quoted entirely out of context.

had you posted the ENTIRE statement you were replying to...well, maybe we could have a better conversation.

in any event, i never said there was any association between ATS, and Facebook....what i said is that facebook has a long and falsified history...by that i meant the money, and backing for facebook's creation, and "going public" can be traced directly back to the NSA, CIA, DARPA, and the IAO, among others.....it's a government datamining operation disguised as this cool, trendy social network..and that sets a precedent, that reasonably opens the door for suspicion of any large online community or social network...because they did it before, who's to say it's not been done again?

again, i'm not saying that this is the case with ATS, but that the precedent has been set, and it would be ill-advised to simply dismiss the possibility out of hand just because "it's ATS"

And I'm just pointing out that I'm really [#$%@] pissed at the imbeciles with no life-skills other than trolling and pissing on carpets. We tried every tactic -- even being accommodating and helpful to one of the most insane creators of lies, and it only actually made things worse.

No more. If someone comes here and parrots all these manufactured lies about us, YOU WILL see me being really pissed. It's that simple.

Losers and fools, all of them.

-shrug- people are a**holes sometimes....it happens..

when you have a community, ANY community of a sufficient size, you're ALWAYS gonna have some percentage of it comprised of idiots, a**holes, retards, and crazy people...the good news, is that it usually only ever represents a minority of that community....if you lose your cool, or let yourself lose sleep over an obnoxious, misinformed minority....well, i'm not gonna come into your place and call you a loser, but i will say it makes you less of a winner....

but hey man, i still like you ok....at least you're not Sankari, lol

Originally posted by AussieDingus
From my experiences on ATS, good posts usually go un-noticed due to the average ATS user having a concentration span of no more than 2 pages on any thread. Go look at any thread on here, and count the amount of stars given on the first 2 pages of any thread, then go in another 10 pages and count the stars. Most people on ATS seem to read the attention grabbing heading, then read a few comments or 2 pages worth at the very most, and then move onto the next attention grabbing headline.

Yes absolutely, some of the best contributions are toward the end of threads imo which are often overlooked, stars and flags are just fluff we all know that, but its also good as an encouragement for people to post which is good for business, no crime there either in generating traffic to a well run site.

Even if ATS was a Freemasonry front, they wouldn't have to work very hard knowing that we will just move onto the next shiny thing we see. The Freemason's are not stupid, it would be too obvious to be a Freemasonry front, but if they were to use their age old trick of infiltration....

I`d bet my left one its not though (I know your not saying it is in anyway), there is NO WAY a CIA or Freemason would put up with the work riggers and headaches to keep a site like this running and evolving while the same people are being attacked so frequently for so little for soooo long, when a cushy desk job and goat riding would pay more or be more fun.

Add to that all the many Moderators over the years that were all once just members (who still are just members) that see more behind the scenes and what goes on than the rest of us (who do this for free), not a one has ever come out as a whistle blower, quite the contrary some have been let go for being too naughty, to maintain a high standard.

Could any Government agency or ex Freemason boast the same?

Daedalus
when you have a community, ANY community of a sufficient size, you're ALWAYS gonna have some percentage of it comprised of idiots, a**holes, retards, and crazy people...the good news, is that it usually only ever represents a minority of that community....if you lose your cool, or let yourself lose sleep over an obnoxious, misinformed minority....well, i'm not gonna come into your place and call you a loser, but i will say it makes you less of a winner....

I've been running online communities since 1993 with the Computer Arts (ComArts) forums on CompuServe. Also contributed in running the Political Conspiracies (PolCon) forums. The ComArts collection of forums was the most-trafficked and most-profitable on all of CompuServe. So I've been doing this a while and am fully versed in all the flavors of trolls, pot-stirers and carpet-pissers. Most do so out of a repressed jealousy for what the owners/operators have accomplished -- or just for the LULZ.

However...

Here on ATS, this is the first time people have created hateful and malicious lies designed to be intentionally harmful to my partners, my staff, and our members. Seriously, the first time I've seen it this bad.

I and others on our staff have been stalked in real life because of the lies.

I and others on our staff have suffered through online and offline harassment because of the lies.

I and others on our staff have witnessed people who refuse to come here -- even though they never have before -- because of the lies.

I and our staff have discussed the situation in our staff-only forum, and all have agreed on this style of response from now on. Everything gets an aggressive counter-attack. Everything gets moved to the Ludicrous Online Lies forum.

While I appreciate your take on the matter, you do not have the misfortune of seeing it from this side of the fence. It has been relentless. We're done shrugging it off.

On a lighter note here is an excellent movie made in 1970 of a man indoctrinated into the Brother hood of the Bell, which is basically the inner secret cabal of Freemasons. At the start of the movie you see a guy being indoctrinated and taking oath to the articles and documents of the brother hood. The movie also covers in its story the suspicions, accusations and finger pointing that goes on.

www.youtube.com...

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well thanks. i appreciate being appreciated.

i had no idea there had been instances of stalking and whatnot...that IS pretty f**ked up...

but i think that the theories and whatnot stem from this being a conspiracy site...if it was the hello kitty fanclub, i doubt you'd have all the talk of you being masons/DOD/DARPA AI/ illuminati/satan...though you might still have stalking....i hear those hello kitty fans take that s**t WAY too serious

all kidding aside, you need to take into account the kind of people a community like this attracts. most of us are level-headed, moderately to highly intelligent people, with a healthy level of doubt, skepticism, and critical thoughts about the world around them, so for the vast majority of us, the subject matter discussed here is all old hat. not to mention, because we are, in fact, NOT crazy people, we can have civilized, intelligent, reasonably well-mannered debates about matters of substance....that's why i come here. it's the ONLY place on the net with this atmosphere, and just the right mix of personalities....this is like home.

but then you have the shills, agitators, idiots, crazy people, and internet warriors.....it's a funny world out there, but then again, you know this.....you've been around the block...goddamn, CompuServe...that feels like forever ago, lol

at any rate, i can totally understand the need to fight back against people you perceive to be a legitimate threat....i don't think this thread STARTED as an outright hostile attack on you, or your staff, but it does seem to have snowballed into a clusterf**k of epic proportions, so i do suppose the bin is really the best place for it at this point..

keep on keepin' on, man....

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It would be a lot more obvious if they did take on a Mod position. But just as a regular member "just adding their 2 cents" they can have more of an impact at times. Then throw in a lot more regular members and suddenly you have the ability to ambush, or de-rail a thread.