Obama--religious schools are divisive

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by boymonkey74
Religious schools are bad no matter which club they follow, they cause division.
Religion should be taught at home no where else.

..."they cause division."

Yeah, follow the evil one, Satan wants you all to AGREE unconfessed mortal sill will NOT land you in Hell.

I love it when you threaten others with Hell.....
Can't follow something I don't believe in can I?

That sounds like a party line from every Cold War communist totalitarian dictatorship to date, with an attitude to eradicate religion in schools on the bias of national state doctrine. The very same oppressive attitude that caused people from all over to immigrate to the USA, in search of freedom from anti-religious dictatorship, to join the religious schools in the first place.

Religious schools are hard, but it's the teachers that make divisiveness, private and public. And the media.

Not even public schools are open for anybody. They have rules about who can attend, like distance rules. I think it's a misdirection attitude from the crummy quality of many public schools, he's just jealous. Maybe the CIA types are buffing their fingernails on their lapels, rubbing their education in his nose...oho wait, this is the President who got surrounded by people who promoted him wherever he went, and told the world he was going to be in charge, played the game of Democrats vs Republicans, did the divisive thing on millions of people's minds, and now is saying this? Bigot much?

reply to post by Sandalphon


WOW! People immigrate to the US so they can put their children in religious schools? And, why do you think religious schools are hard? Is it hard to learn religion?

I don't know, my daughter is the product of non religious public schools and non religious public univercities. Go figure, she has a PhD and works in a globally recognized research lab.

reply to post by Frogs

Because issues like segregated schools and housing, lack of jobs and opportunity -- symbols of history that are a source of pride for some and pain for others -- these are not tangential to peace; they’re essential to it. If towns remain divided -- if Catholics have their schools and buildings, and Protestants have theirs -- if we can’t see ourselves in one another, if fear or resentment are allowed to harden, that encourages division. It discourages cooperation.

Ultimately, peace is just not about politics. It’s about attitudes; about a sense of empathy; about breaking down the divisions that we create for ourselves in our own minds and our own hearts that don’t exist in any objective reality, but that we carry with us generation after generation.

Yep! Rhetorically, he makes a lot of sense in his speeches. It's his duplicity that annoys me.

Basically, his ideas as stated in the quote/text above are TRUE.

reply to post by Carreau

She is anything but respectful. Sarcastic and attacking and a hypocrite in political debate in every leftist post. You may give her a pass but i refuse to. She has not addressed the point of obama attacking one religious school and not another religion while sycophantly defending the president as her norm.

Are you serious??? Wow, the right-wingers haven't had any deep-breathing or ventures into the real world at all for the past several years now!! They just go straight to hysteria.

BH is one of the most level-headed and sincere people on this board. We are LUCKY to have her - she is a voice of reason in a very cluster-effed society. (yeah, I just made that up. Cluster-effed. Figure it out, then deal with it.)

Or perhaps you prefer the military SNAFU?

reply to post by Privateinquotations

I starred your post. It's true that anyone can attend a Catholic school if they pay the tuition.
But THIS:

And the whole promiscuous catholic schoolgirl crap is based on a uniform and a multitude of porn stigma.

False.

I worked in the urban core with a group of youths from public AND catholic schools - and the girls WERE promiscuous - and admitted it. Like normal teenagers. And they did NOT appreciate being treated like 2nd graders by the staff. They were doing normal "teenage" experimentation with drugs, sex, recklessness, etc. THEY were the ones who ASKED for a 'youth group' - and THEY CAME TO THE MEETINGS EVERY WEEK. Even in defiance of their parents! They WANTED to be helped, supported, heard out, and given a chance to be who they were.

No matter how hard adults try to "steer" kids into religious dogma and 'rote obedience', it will NEVER work. Kids need to be respected and listened to. Period.

Teens need SUPPORT from adults as they enter into their adolescence, not to be silenced by authoritarian parents and educators.

reply to post by grandmakdw

Isn't it divisive to have special education classes and gifted classes, according to your logic that divides people on certain characteristics.

NO, it's NOT. It's to give the kids who aren't keeping up, or are ahead of the curve, a chance to have an education tailored to their abilities and needs.

What do you know about "special ed" classes, please? I worked for years in "alternative" schools for kids with Severe Behavioral/Emotional Disorders (caused by either their family lives or genuine learning disabilities)....my own kids were enrolled in Gifted classes because they were BORED with the mainstream education.

What is wrong with tailoring a curriculum to the STUDENT'S needs? NOTHING.

reply to post by wildtimes


I was being sarcastic. Your point was the one I was trying to make.

As a society it is ludicrous to say that fairness and equalness should be a goal, to be non-divisive, to completely do away with separating people by "certain characteristics" like Heretic said we should do, ultimately leads to the absurd.

reply to post by grandmakdw


Oh, okay then. Sorry for misunderstanding. But it is important to realize that the PUBLIC schools offer these curricula - they are compelled to by the IDEA. Originally "Individuals with Disabilities Education Act" - but it was expanded to include Gifted kids getting an equally appropriate FAPE (Free Appropriate Education Act).

Least restrictive environment for those who don't fit in to mainstream classrooms - either because of being "being the curve" OR "ahead of the curve." The process is that parents must attend meetings for the IEP (Individualized Education Plan)......

It works both ways. Not many people know this, however. A kid in public school has JUST AS MUCH ACCESS to an advanced curriculum as they do to the learning-disabled curriculum.

I speak from personal knowledge, and professional and parental experience.

reply to post by boymonkey74


The question is not does that make you a muslim the question is do you sway to that faith more then others?

reply to post by cass1dy09


No I hate all Religion I just used to like the singing to wake up to.

People,

Look at the record of high academic standards in Catholic Schools AND even better, children go to Mass once a week, the greatest benefit to their soul. Bravo, daily Mass has been reinstated in the grade schools and high schools of the Lincoln, Nebraska diocese.

reply to post by wildtimes

I said:

but it was expanded to include Gifted kids getting an equally appropriate FAPE (Free Appropriate Education Act).

Least restrictive environment for those who don't fit in to mainstream classrooms - either because of being "being the curve" OR "ahead of the curve." The process is that parents must attend meetings for the IEP (Individualized Education Plan)......

Yeah, I misspoke. I MEANT to say.....'either because of being "behind" the curve....
also:
FAPE = Free Appropriate PUBLIC Education" Act.

Originally posted by Benevolent HereticWhen blacks had their schools and whites had theirs, it was divisive. Same difference with religions. Religion itself is divisive.

Forcing (and don't twist that...I'm saying FORCING) people of different interests, beliefs and morals to live together is a liberal "wish list" of a utopian location where humans have yet to arrive. We do better separate, with people who share our beliefs, religion, etc. If you disagree...then I guess you also believe all our problems would be solved if we "bussed" people to/from the US, Iran, China, etc. and forced them to live together. While it would probably make a great reality show, it doesn't reflect the nature of humans. It is in our nature to live with others like us...not different than us. A huge part of the American problem is differences and labels...our melting pot has far too many chefs forcing the ingredients.

Just speaking the truth.

reply to post by colbe


Oh wow.
*facepalm*

I have relatives in Nebraska. This 'news' just really worries me.
Do you have a source, please??

Originally posted by wildtimes
I have relatives in Nebraska. This 'news' just really worries me.

Why are you worried about Catholic schools having Catholic Mass for the children.
Isn't it expected that at a Catholic school there will be Catholic prayer time???

reply to post by wildtimes
Back in the 90s and early 00s some friends of mine who are Scientologists (yeah, I know) sent their two children to Catholic school. It was required that they go to chapel every morning. They were not forced to pray or take Communion or anything, they just had to go sit and would usually just catch up on classwork, read or doodle. Just to note there were also children in their classes of many other religions (Hindu, Muslim, Jews, Atheist, etc.). They didn't have any problems with it and it remains the best school within a 100 mile radius.

Originally posted by Sandalphon
That sounds like a party line from every Cold War communist totalitarian dictatorship to date, with an attitude to eradicate religion in schools on the bias of national state doctrine. The very same oppressive attitude that caused people from all over to immigrate to the USA, in search of freedom from anti-religious dictatorship, to join the religious schools in the first place.

Quite frankly, I don't know why the OP is confusing Biblical Christianity in with "catholic education". In most of the world but in America especially, the national state doctrine is evolutionary humanism which is taught in almost every school today in every single discipline regardless of whatever they claim to be, "catholic" or otherwise. In the case of those schools that identify themselves as "christian" or "catholic, they can be defined as theistic evolutionists. So I'm not even sure what the term "catholic education" is supposed to mean given the curriculum taught in "catholic" schools is largely the same as it is in all secular based schools, private and public. However, these schools are still Bible based at least at the nominal level, which is apparently not good enough for creatures like Obama. Obama and his ilk would rather eradicate any vestige of Biblical doctrine out of any school altogether. I also notice that this little anti-Christ like character is quick to bash Christian values while praising Islam almost every chance he gets. And this is what I notice with anybody claiming to be anti-religious as they aren't actually anti-religious at all, they just have a serious bone to pick with Biblical doctrine.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by colbe

 

Oh wow.
*facepalm*

I have relatives in Nebraska. This 'news' just really worries me.
Do you have a source, please??

Hi wildtimes,

Why are you worried? The Holy Mass is the highest form of worship. Watch this beautiful Youtube.

And the quotes will touch your heart. I do not know how to put the Youtube up directly at ATS, here is
the link.

www.youtube.com...

reply to post by Nicks87


I predict this thread will win the "Most Misleading, Out-of-Context Thread of the Year" award, hands-down (if there is such a thing.) a quick perusal of many of the replies reveals how well social engineering and media trickery works to fool people - especially those who want to be fooled. Whether OP is trying to dupe people, or was duped himself, I don't know, but this topic, in reality, isn't anything like what the OP and those who agree withthe assessment want it to be.