Obama--religious schools are divisive

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


You do not have to be catholic to go to a catholic school. A lot of the time the private schools offer a better education than public. With the state of public schools currently we should all be thankful there are alternatives.

BTW most catholic schools do not teach religious based classes. Have any of you bashing them ever checked them out? Catholic School means it is owned by the catholic church it doesn't mean you are bashed over the head with religion costantly. The catholic schools i've visited try to stay away from pushing religion. Also the Catholic church community sets up programs for the kids after school such as martial arts.
And the whole promiscuous catholic schoolgirl crap is based on a uniform and a multitude of porn stigma.

Private schools aren't divisive, but changing the way you speak according to the color of your crowd for sure is.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Carreau

 

I guess you're right...

The blacks live on the north side, the whites live on the east side and the Latinos and Asians live on the south side. This is the stereotypical spatial distribution of races in Milwaukee.

Milwaukee shares the title of most segregated city in the United States with Detroit, MI, according to The U.S. Bureau of the Census.

If the segregation in Milwaukee was not apparent enough, it shows up in the cafeteria here.

Look, I agree with Obama on this. If you don't like that, too bad.

edit on 6/20/2013 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)

BH,

What does BHO have to finally do to make you change? The community organizer is trying to community organize in another country. Everything he does and says is wrong. He needs God's grace.

The man had a terrible upbringing. Pray for his soul.

In Illinois, Obama voted more than once to kill a baby who survives abortion! The man wants to hand out the abortion pill to 13 year olds!

reply to post by Carreau

Originally posted by Carreau
Her first post was prove the president said that.

I wanted to see what he actually said, not someone's interpretation of it. I don't see the problem with that.

It was proven and she ignored that and moved on to well he is right anyway.

Nothing was proven, I actually found the quote and posted it in my own post.

She has not addressed the point of obama attacking one religious school and not another religion

He didn't attack ANY school. He mentioned Protestant and Catholic schools. And you're wrong about him attending a Madrassa. But I know facts aren't really that important here.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Carreau

 

Originally posted by Carreau
You support him no matter what, its in all your posts and threads so I'm not going to bother.

I generally support him, but I certainly don't support everything he does and says. Anyway, from the paragraph posted, I agree with him. Not because I support him, but because it makes absolute sense. And I haven't heard ONE "talking point" about this, so it's pretty impossible to parrot something I have not heard.

When blacks had their schools and whites had theirs, it was divisive. Same difference with religions. Religion itself is divisive. Anytime people are divided based on certain characteristics, it's divisive. Like political positions, for example.

edit on 6/20/2013 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)

Isn't it divisive to have special education classes and gifted classes, according to your logic that divides people on certain characteristics. So a 12 year old who us unable to speak or write should be in the same classroom as the 12 year old who can do calculus and reads at a college level, and to be perfectly fair, they should be taught the exact same curriculum.

Isn't it divisive to have schools with all male football teams, come to think of it the NBA is highly divisive as they exclude women, there are many WMBA players who could easily play on NBA teams. Unfair, divisive!

Isn't it divisive to have BET, or Telemundo whose sole purpose is to exclude Asians and others from their networks.

Decrying "religious" schools is another way of shutting down schools that work and educate students for far less money than the government does and that get better SAT/ACT scores than government run schools. Proving the government is the worst provider of education. (even homeschoolers score higher on all objective measures than "fair" government run schools)

So to be fair, your implication is :deny parents the alternative to put their children in schools that are superior to government schools so all children can be raised equally stupid and ignorant of anything the government doesn't want them to know.

Saying "religious" schools are dangerous is ludicrous, many of the top colleges in the US are religious. Shall we close Harvard that was founded as a Christian School. Shall we close Xavier, Baylor, DePaul, Loyola, Notre Dame, etc? According to your logic these schools should be shut down for being divisive. Let us not forget Wheaton, Pepperdine, and on and on.

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Originally posted by colbe
BH,

What does BHO have to finally do to make you change?

I'm sorry. That is so cute!

If you think I should change because of what I read on a conspiracy site from anti-government, anti-Obama types, you're going to be disappointed. I actually have changed my opinion of Obama somewhat. But I'm not going to join the hater camp until he proves to me that he deserves it. There's plenty I hate about what he's doing, but when I look at the alternatives we've been offered, I still think he was the best choice we had.

Don't let it keep you up at night.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
Religious schools are bad no matter which club they follow, they cause division.
Religion should be taught at home no where else.

I will say to you what I said to the Heretic.

Decrying "religious" schools is another way of shutting down schools that work and educate students for far less money than the government does and that get better SAT/ACT scores than government run schools. Proving the government is the worst provider of education. (even homeschoolers score higher on all objective measures than "fair" government run schools)

So to be fair, your implication is :deny parents the alternative to put their children in schools that are superior to government schools so all children can be raised equally stupid and ignorant of anything the government doesn't want them to know.

Saying "religious" schools are dangerous is ludicrous, many of the top colleges in the US are religious. Shall we close Harvard that was founded as a Christian School. Shall we close Xavier, Baylor, DePaul, Loyola, Notre Dame, etc? According to your logic these schools should be shut down for being divisive. Let us not forget Wheaton, Pepperdine, and on and on.

Yale and Harvard were founded by Puritans, OMG, must be shut down now by O's own logic, who is more divisive than a puritan.

Princeton too must go, founded by the Presbyterian church, OMG - how scary - O must shut it down now, we know that Presbyterians are, gasp, protestants.

Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by Carreau

 

You took the words right out of my mouth.

He is pretty devisive himself.......oh yeah, Muslim schools, unlike other parochial schools, don't allow children of other faiths unless they convert to Islam. That must be where he got the idea that anyone who doesn't convert to his line of thinking is the enemy.

You are wrong about the school Obama went to it allowed Jewish as well as Catholic students and they didn't have to convert. So telling people of two different faiths they should learn to live together is a bad idea huh?

- Catholic and Protestant schools provide excellent educations in environments that are generally safer than most city public schools. (and yes, public school children are sexually assaulted at higher rates than the children in Catholic schools). The church schools are a good option for parents.

- Children in Catholic and Protestant schools are out of reach from the claws of the government. The government doesn't like that they can't totally control what is being pumped into the minds of children in those schools. So they complain about the schools.

- The church schools are only divisive if they teach that the people who attend are superior or that the people who attend shouldn't mingle with those who do not attend. I have never heard those types of things being taught in the catholic schools we have been to. It's possible that it happens. But it doesn't seem to be the 'norm' (based on our experience)

.. Seems to me that the anti-catholic school and anti-protestant school and anti-homeschool rhetoric that comes out of the government is more divisive than anything I've heard of being said in the catholic or protestant or homeschools. The intolerance of the so-called tolerant left wing NEA ...

I'd seen this and couldn't believe it. What brainfart came over his speech writers to come up with THIS one?? It would have been tacky and outright tone deaf to have said in the United States.....but he didn't say this in the United States, did he? He said it in Northern Ireland!

Did someone forget to mention to the man that Protestants and Catholics have been fighting for decades over THAT very issue...among other things like British home rule? Really! It's like going to Baghdad and saying the Arab religion is really pretty divisive to be practiced in public. He's trying to anger people. It's not even about religion on that aspect. It's kicking one side of a bitter, brutal conflict that not everyone considers to be 100% over right now ....and seemingly, focusing one direction and not the other. Saying nothing of the sort would have been intelligence on display. This was ignorance worn like a blaze orange hat in a crowd of Amish.

For the record..... Obama didn't attend a Madrasa. He attended a State School (Public school in the time period) in Jakarta that also happened to give Islamic studies as one small part of the subjects being taught. He THEN attended a private Catholic school, which makes his statement here even more baffling. He ought to know better than to kick the passions of religion and especially in a land where a damn war was fought to a virtual draw so very recently over it.

Empty headed remark of the year award goes to..........Our President, with an A for extra effort put into it. (I'd fire the speech writer that came up with it, personally. He would have been told to find his own way home from Europe.)

reply to post by buster2010

So telling people of two different faiths they should learn to live together is a bad idea huh?

Absolutely not! But most religious schools don't cause divisiveness, not even in countries where particular religions are "feuding" with each other. No religious school I have ever heard of teaches discrimination (unless maybe Al Qaeda or Westboro have their own schools). If every citizen of a particular country was at peace with every other citizen there will still exist schools run by religious organizations of differing faiths and some parents will choose to send their kids to them just as they might choose a secular private school or public school education for their children. Sending kids to parochial schools is probably less divisive than sending them to a high dollar, elite, private secular school......like the one the POTUS sends HIS kids to.

Originally posted by littled16
Sending kids to parochial schools is probably less divisive than sending them to a high dollar, elite, private secular school......like the one the POTUS sends HIS kids to.

Good point about the expensive vs free school divisiveness. If it's supposedly divisive to go to protestant and catholic schools, then his uber-expensive private school is being divisive along 'class' lines. Oh ... and not only does he divisively send his kids to an elite wealthy school ... his kids go to a private QUAKER school. Yep. A church school.

He's seriously a macaroon ....

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by littled16
Sending kids to parochial schools is probably less divisive than sending them to a high dollar, elite, private secular school......like the one the POTUS sends HIS kids to.

Good point about the expensive vs free school divisiveness. If it's supposedly divisive to go to protestant and catholic schools, then his uber-expensive private school is being divisive along 'class' lines. Oh ... and not only does he divisively send his kids to an elite wealthy school ... his kids go to a private QUAKER school. Yep. A church school.

He's seriously a macaroon ....

What???? Our Muslim President Obama sends his kids to a Quaker school???? His cred just shot up several points on my chart!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

My great grandparents parents, on my mother's father's side of my family were by far the most influential people in the religious and spiritual experiences in my family. They were Quakers.

Quakers were radicals for their time because they stressed private interpretation of the bible and that spiritual truth could be found in any spiritual text, such as the Koran or Tao Te Ching.

They believe in the inherent good of all people and the equality of all peoples, including women and people of color.

Heaven, Hell - Quakers believe that God's kingdom is now, and consider heaven and hell issues for individual interpretation. Liberal Quakers hold that the question of the afterlife is a matter of speculation.
Sin - Unlike other Christian denominations, Quakers believe that humans are inherently good. Sin exists, but even the fallen are children of God, Who works to kindle the Light within them.
Baptism - Most Quakers believe that how a person lives their life is a sacrament, and that formal observances are not necessary. Quakers hold that baptism is an inward, not outward, act. christianity.about.com...

The more conservative Christian sects of the day considered them crazy for their unorthodox beliefs and practices.

3. Early Quakers didn't stress the physical resurrection. Again they got a lot of flack for this. I've seen this in the Nayler writings that I have read--they stress the idea of "spiritual body."
4. They discounted the overriding importance of Christ's death on the cross: not that it was unimportant, but that by itself it meant nothing, and wasn't effectual without the Inner Light. quakeroatslive.blogspot.com...

Clip from Sean Hannity's interview with Playboy.

PLAYBOY: Trump was one of the most vocal skeptics of Obama’s American citizenship. You’ve also said Obama grew up in Kenya. Do you regret saying that now?
HANNITY: But he did grow up in Kenya, and he told The New York Times that he went to a school there and one of the most beautiful things on the planet is Islamic prayer at sunset.

PLAYBOY: Are you fueling the myth that Obama’s a Muslim from Africa by saying that?
HANNITY: I never fueled the myth. How do you come up with this stuff? He did go to a Muslim school. He writes about it in his own book.

PLAYBOY: He did not grow up in Kenya.
HANNITY: He went to a Muslim school in Indonesia, or wherever it was, Kenya. I forget. Now you’ve got me. I think it was Indonesia. I’m trying to remember his biography. It’s going back so long. He admits he went to a Muslim school. It’s on his audiobook, if you want a tape of it—you can hear him say it himself. I’m a Christian. All people are the children of God. I’m just telling you what Obama said in his own words. He didn’t go to a madrassa, which has negative connotations, but he did study the Koran and Islam and learn prayers that he could recite with a perfect accent, according to Nicholas Kristof in The New York Times. As for the issue of his birth certificate, I thought that was one of the oddest things, a noncontroversy that the White House easily could have ended but didn’t. If you’ve got the birth certificate, just release it and move on. That’s what I said.

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He's right.

However I think religious schools tend to inspire more productivity in students and are generally less prone to violence.

But I think you can find the same environment in non-religious private schools.

That's a very divisive comment from Obama...!!

Originally posted by boymonkey74
Religious schools are bad no matter which club they follow, they cause division.
Religion should be taught at home no where else.

..."they cause division."

Yeah, follow the evil one, Satan wants you all to AGREE unconfessed mortal sill will NOT land you in Hell.

reply to post by Nicks87


Obama is antichristian, although he claims to be a christian, his actions make of him a liar. Actions always speak louder than words, and anyone who thinks contrary is a fool. Taqqiya only works on stupid people, or people ignorant of Islam.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by colbe

 

Originally posted by colbe
BH,

What does BHO have to finally do to make you change?

I'm sorry. That is so cute!

If you think I should change because of what I read on a conspiracy site from anti-government, anti-Obama types, you're going to be disappointed. I actually have changed my opinion of Obama somewhat. But I'm not going to join the hater camp until he proves to me that he deserves it. There's plenty I hate about what he's doing, but when I look at the alternatives we've been offered, I still think he was the best choice we had.

Don't let it keep you up at night. :)

BH,

Obama's time as President, the only good thing I can think of he has done is trying to help young people with their student loan debt. Nothing else...

Every time I hear BHO's voice, I cringe. You can hear the lies in his voice and always, he sounds like he doesn't know what he is doing, I pray for him, he needed a good father and never had one.

Your words about an "alternative" I agree in regards to the last Presidential election, there was NO choice, alternative. The messages from Heaven asks everyone to pray some more. It is prophesied by one messenger especially, meaning there are others who have heard the same, the evil in Washington, BHO's administration, rotten people in Congress are going down.

Watch and remember, God bless you,


colbe

reply to post by cass1dy09


HANNITY: But he did grow up in Kenya, and he told The New York Times that he went to a school there and one of the most beautiful things on the planet is Islamic prayer at sunset.


I lived in the east end of london right near a mosque and was awoken by the prayers every morning and I loved it also...does that make me a Muslim?