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Ive been a member here for years under other accounts, before I made accounts I was a long time "lurker".
the bottom line as I keep saying over and over - when your body dies, your consciousness will seperate from the materrial world you so desperately held on too your entire life. It will be too much of an experience for oyu to grasp in the moments - your essence will have little time, be turned around, and a new child you will become. Starting all over again until YOU FIGURE IT OUT.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
I can not disagree with this mysticnoon. However, I only observe and relate the paradoxes and contradictions in the language. The Law of non-contradiction applies universally.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Maybe that's where we differ. Actions, to me, speak louder than words when they go against what is being preached. When the mouth says one thing, but the rest does differently, it doesn't go by unnoticed. I think I'm doomed to see hypocrisy in all philosophy. That may be my curse.
Originally posted by HarryTZ
I'm beginning to see the fruitlessness of these threads. What we should be worried about is how to help ourselves and those around us be happy, peaceful and content. We needn't concern ourselves with the beliefs and constructs others have created to structure their lives, nor speculate at the metaphysical nature of the universe and spirituality (which we can never be truly certain about anyway). All that really matters is how you are feeling right now.
You missed pthena's point.
Its hard to admit to yourself that you are not adept or expereinced in the spiritual nature, and therefore have no clue in which you talk about. I understand why it is so hard for individuals - they fear being mocked, ridiculed and living "a fantasy" as they are hastly to label it.
I find the eastern mystic terms for non-physicality helpful in discussions of spiritual philosophies as there is a distinction between the physical and spiritual natures. For example, the spiritual faculty of hearing is called surat, and the spiritual faculty of seeing is called nirat. This distinguishes it clearly from the normal sense faculties of hearing and seeing.
That's interesting, as I saw myself afflicted by the same curse in the atheistic phase of my life.
I wonder, though, how would you respond if you met someone whose every action corresponded to their teachings? Would it alter your perspective on spiritual matters, or is the perception of hypocrisy only one of many reasons for your stance?
He owns a ridiculous amount of Rolls Royces, so what? When has Osho said that owning physical objects is 'wrong'? You seem to think that the Buddhist philosophy is about external appearance, that the goal is to 'seem humble'. That is a silly thought at best. Buddhism suggests that we renounce attachment to the physical world, not that we abandon it. And we do this for ourselves, our own inner well-being, not so people will think highly of us. I would say that this is your curse, that you judge a human being by his outer appearance. But a person is much more than just their outwardly appearance. There is so much more within them that you have not seen... judging them just becomes foolish. So until you realize that Osho has never gone against his own teachings, you have missed the point completely.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
Osho's teachings were mediocre at best and not at all original. It is originality and artistry I seek.
Another thread written by someone who just has good (not in my opinion) arguing skills - clever with words and symbols. Shame he has not found what he really wants.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by Itisnowagain
Another thread written by someone who just has good (not in my opinion) arguing skills - clever with words and symbols. Shame he has not found what he really wants.
Like a cornered fox, someone bites. Is that why my threads are littered with your responses? It seems you've found what you really want, but it kind of loses its charm if no one else wants it doesn't it?
Original art is everywhere when you awake to the truth but you cannot see it because all you see is a puzzle and a competition.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
This is what troubles me the most, the perversion of life into something valueless, where people see themselves—or at least the parts they can see, smell and touch—as without value, as meat.
Anecdotally, this flies against my observation of friends and associates on spiritual paths who take great care to maintain their body in a healthy state, and spend more time enjoying outdoors than sititng indoors in meditation and contemplation.
It is the undue attachment to the sensual pleasures which is regarded as a barrier to spiritual progress, not the free and happy appreciation of them.
Spirituality, in its infancy, was concerned with the natural, with "the breath" and motion—life. Now it's concerned with the non-physical, the abstract and the supernatural—death. This is what troubles me the most, the perversion of life into something valueless,
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
It is always the self-proclaimed “spiritual” who inform us that we are not what we look at in the mirror, that we are instead something else—a soul, a spirit, a consciousness, an ego, some true nature or other, a ghost in a shell, an immortal monad completely distinct from that which contains it—so they and many others before them have promised.