Senate set to vote on border fence amendment in immigration bill

A week into the immigration debate, the Senate has finally set up showdowns Tuesday afternoon on some of the biggest questions, including whether to build the full 700-mile fence Congress approved seven years ago, but never followed through on.

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This is a colossal waste of time, and money especially with current modern day versions of a technology that is over 50 years old, ground radar, motion tracking or what most people call today as a 'virtual fence'.

One example of the current technology:



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Neither one of those are product endorsement's they are technology demonstators of a low cost already available quick solution that could be set up and working in a matter of weeks, and not take billions to fully implement.

A secure border is not a 'pipe dream' it can be done instead of playing politics with national security.

Hell combined with other UMGS nothing could get through(unmanned ground sensors) plus radar complete with solar charging.


But does a politician think like that?

Nope they are too busy worried about getting votes instead of doing the right thing.

nstead, the border now has 651 miles of barriers, and only 352 miles of that is an actual fence to keep pedestrians out. The other 299 miles are vehicle blockades that still allow wildlife, and people, to cross unhindered.

No wonder there are 11 million illegals in this country.

this topic also brings up another point in the digital age, and the recent revelations about a government who has surpassed Orwell visions would the public stand for 'electronic fences'.

Yep, wasting countless more dollars.
Use the damn Predator Drones that you have to have, make them more than an implement of terror.
They fly for quite a while, are unmanned and are perfectly suited for border security.

Wouldn't work anyway, who do you think are going to be contracted to build it in the first place? (hint: the employees of the lowest bidder)

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Awesome

Too bad there is no wall in a virtual fence, and even more awesome considering this:

Seven years ago, during a previous immigration debate, Congress — including then-Sen. Barack Obama — voted overwhelmingly to build that much two-tier fencing along the 1,950-mile U.S.-Mexico border.

True not going to work as clearly shown in the op that was quoted near the end but here it is again

nstead, the border now has 651 miles of barriers, and only 352 miles of that is an actual fence to keep pedestrians out. The other 299 miles are vehicle blockades that still allow wildlife, and people, to cross unhindered.

So that video has absolutely nothing to do with a border fence that's not a real fence.

We are going to have to fence large parts of the border to the point of keeping people from walking across.
to many illegal weapons and drug are crossing the border. this will force the illegals to areas that can be patrolled in force by the border patrol.

and too many areas are closed to the public including Private property because of the uncontrolled movement of armed illegals across the border.
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That is the biggest thing that upsets me about the whole immigration debacle when American citizen's who worked their entire lives for their property don't matter.


All because of a political group pandering trying to 'secure' more voters.

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Honestly since it's the current party in power's goal to keep all of the illegal aliens that are already here and they are willing to at least feign the possibility of bolstering our southern border's security why not go all the way with it? Build a physical barrier at least 20 foot high and extending below ground by at least 10 foot, put sensors all over it, put automatic sentries (ala Aliens) in place, fly armed drones to patrol the border and add more vehicular patrols. Also put more Coast Guard patrols out in the Gulf of Mexico for good measure. If they want to really secure the border it can be done, and if worried about how to fund it I'd make the Defense Department pay for it all out of their over bloated budget. Shouldn't part of national defense include defending the borders?

Originally posted by neo96

No wonder there are 11 million illegals in this country.

this topic also brings up another point in the digital age, and the recent revelations about a government who has surpassed Orwell visions would the public stand for 'electronic fences'.

Amazing. Hard to imagine that Mexico has such superior technology to guard against illegal immigrations despite its somewhat porous southern borders. One would almost begin to think someone wanted those illegal immigrants in the US.

When someone in Mexico wants to gain employment or acquire government services they must demonstrate their legitimate status. It is not a matter on the street of "show us your papers" or building the Berlin Wall at its borders, one must prove their immigration status that they are permitted to work or that they are legitimate Mexican citizens, which is typically done with their voter ID card! Kinda' kills two birds with one stone.

One might think the US could do something along the same lines as Mexico does. One might even get the idea that someone wants those "illegal immigrants" there to exploit them for cheap labor or something of that kind.

I don't believe some physical or virtual fence is going to solve the problem in the US. Of course, such a fence could be used for containment, keep Americans from escaping in some sort of Orwellian SHTF scenario. On second thought, keep building. I have an idea where they might be going.

Originally posted by neo96

All because of a political group pandering trying to 'secure' more voters.

You really think that is the reason they are wanted in the US? Amazing.

Probably the most powerful nation in the world, surrounded mostly by water+Canada, and they cannot secure a border? Yeah, right. That border could be easily and tightly controlled, for a little fraction of the money in the budget. The trouble is, someone wants it to remain open..

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why not go all the way with it?

Because it's doesn't stop them case in point

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One might think the US could do something along the same lines as Mexico does.

The Us could secure the border, but they don't want to, and the biggest reason is because they are playing politics with it.

You really think that is the reason they are wanted in the US? Amazing.

Absolutely it is nothing but getting voters it is nothing more everyone in this country is nothing more than voters.

Controlling the border is based on a two point strategy, not a fence. The first strategy is the employer. If illegals know they can't get a job, they won't come illegally. This alone would take care of many illegal border crossings. Would cost a whole lot less as well.

The second strategy is to change course on the war on drugs. If people want a safer border, this has to be addressed. I just find it amazing that we have some of the most sophisticated gadgets in the world on our borders and our streets and drugs still make it to main street.

Peace

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Heck, my little grandbaby could climb THAT fence! I'm talking 20 foot high solid concrete with razor wire and automatic sentries mounted on top. Picture the wall of the north from Game of Thrones only with ample technology.

Originally posted by littled16
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Heck, my little grandbaby could climb THAT fence! I'm talking 20 foot high solid concrete with razor wire and automatic sentries mounted on top. Picture the wall of the north from Game of Thrones only with ample technology.

LOL that kind of wall will never be built would be nice tho.

Originally posted by jam321
Controlling the border is based on a two point strategy, not a fence. The first strategy is the employer. If illegals know they can't get a job, they won't come illegally. This alone would take care of many illegal border crossings. Would cost a whole lot less as well.

The second strategy is to change course on the war on drugs. If people want a safer border, this has to be addressed. I just find it amazing that we have some of the most sophisticated gadgets in the world on our borders and our streets and drugs still make it to main street.

Peace

No problem with the first part I do have problems with the second part

The problem is people throw the word 'war' around too much they are not fighting it like a war.

Their 'war on drugs' is a law enforcement action which has been nothing, but an abysmal failure.

Forget the wall, attack the problem from a different direction. Fine Employers 50K for every undocumented worker found working for them. No available jobs illegal alien problem will soon dry up. Why come here if there is no jobs.
Soon employers have to pay umemployed Americans or legal documented foreigners more for lower end jobs because we dont have any one to fill the low end jobs. Trickel Up economics.

Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by jam321
Controlling the border is based on a two point strategy, not a fence. The first strategy is the employer. If illegals know they can't get a job, they won't come illegally. This alone would take care of many illegal border crossings. Would cost a whole lot less as well.

The second strategy is to change course on the war on drugs. If people want a safer border, this has to be addressed. I just find it amazing that we have some of the most sophisticated gadgets in the world on our borders and our streets and drugs still make it to main street.

Peace

No problem with the first part I do have problems with the second part

The problem is people throw the word 'war' around too much they are not fighting it like a war.

Their 'war on drugs' is a law enforcement action which has been nothing, but an abysmal failure.

I believe to understand the word "war" as it is used in the drug war one needs to have knowledge of the pre-70's "Gas Wars" where the petro companies were still competing and slashing their prices to sell more gallons than their competitors. Long after the initial black market price inflation, which prohibition does to a selling price, street drugs other than the popular big "M" have continuously gone down in price while becoming more readily available as their popularity must be continuously promoted. However, the Drug War is many-faceted and has spawned a great many lateral industries such as incarceration which also serves as a slave-labor base for other enterprises.

Mis-guided altruism in fighting the "drug war" has welcomed-in government intrusion into people's livingrooms and almost a total surrender of all rights to privacy in a willing effort to combat this contrived scourge. The drug war has also made the so-called legitimate side of the industry, Big Pharma, an extremely wealthy and powerful entity for deciding what, when, and how much it costs to put anything in your body, limit pain, and to regulate the medical industry and its practices.

The Drug War has launched a thousand ships, conservatively speaking, and made it possible to fund armies, arm rebels, stage coups, and to intervene in nearly all international affairs. Since the Drug War's purpose has never been about halting drug traffic - illicit and legitimate - but has always been about controlling drug traffic and reaping enormous profits one can hardly think of it as an abysmal failure. In truth it has been an enormous success. For us the public, though, it is better for all concerned parties to the mechanics of that "war" that we believe it will take a greater and determined effort to persevere in its ostensible quest. It in fact though is a "war" that will never be "won" as its success is in its doing and will be a failure if it ever is allowed to "succeed."

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Then it's time to actually fight it.

The problem is people aren't fighting wars they call wars

The just slap the word war on something, and that's that.

A shock and awe campaign leave no ground unturned use overwhelming superior force.

When a war isn't being actually fought, and people just play politics no wonder it has lasted as long.

Which is exactly the problem.

Want something solved, no one can really expect government to provide a solution.

Originally posted by neo96

Want something solved, no one can really expect government to provide a solution.

Government is merely a tool of powerful money interests. It does not serve the public's interest. It does, however, help turn the gears and collect revenue. "Solutions" are for the people, but the continuance of a problem to solve is what serves the interests of the machine.

Hi,

That's weird.

I wonder how they voted on nafta.

Seems to be on schedule?