Was Snowden Supported by the NSA?

My mom just told me on the phone that she thought Snowden released the information because he was being encouraged and supported by other members of the intelligence community.

A lot of this is going to come back on The Obama Administration, which has already been under scrutiny by the U.S. Justice Department (and by the N.S.A.).

My mom told me she thinks that everything is going just fine, the system is working just fine, since the ACLU filed lawsuits these issues are going to end up in front of the Supreme Court, who has already been ruthlessly attacking Obama's overstepping of Executive powers.

My guess is that anyone who calls him a traitor is going to end up in prison because they are hiding something that is going to come out with the leaked information. Obama is probably not going to be successful trying to cover his tracks by going after the A.P.

Maybe Obama was such a threat that the N.S.A. had to reveal itself in order to take him out. That was my mom's view, anyway - it is highly speculative!

reply to post by darkbake


I can see where your mum is coming form on this one but i think not

The NSA has a stronger history than most of keeping a tight lip on, well everything.

I really cant see why the NSA would activly support Snowden to expose what might be one of their most valuable intelligence sources.

I don't doubt that there will be many who agree with what Snowden has done, the same way many in the intelligence community agreed with Katharine Gun when she exposed spying on UN officials in the run up to the Iraq war. That does not mean however that the NSA have supported him to leak this information.

besides right now i cant see this leading to Obama's impeachment

reply to post by darkbake

Well your mom is on the same wavelength as me :0 It think it's clear some entity helped this happen. Motive for it needs to be determined. Obviously it puts Obama on the hot seat even more than he was prior.

I'm not an Obama fan, but I could see a scenario where he isn't the bad guy and maybe he's trying to save the world from more nefarious entities than some perceive him to be. I could easily see a scenario where those that put Snowden up to this have reason to feel threatened by Obama. What ever the motivation is, there is no doubt, this is a power play.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


Not until the information about Obama is leaked, if there is any, or more info.

Originally posted by darkbake
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin

 

Not until the information about Obama is leaked.

edit on 12-6-2013 by darkbake because: (no reason given)

which hasn't been leaked yet and might never be leaked (or might not exist)

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


Yeah just edited my post, thx. Everyone should know this is highly speculative. Also, I have no idea what is going to happen with all of these leaks so I thought I might as well throw another idea out there.

If your mom is waiting for the Holder DOJ & the Obamacare Supreme Court...she is going to be disappointed.

Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by darkbake

 

I can see where your mum is coming form on this one but i think not

The NSA has a stronger history than most of keeping a tight lip on, well everything.

I really cant see why the NSA would activly support Snowden to expose what might be one of their most valuable intelligence sources.

I don't doubt that there will be many who agree with what Snowden has done, the same way many in the intelligence community agreed with Katharine Gun when she exposed spying on UN officials in the run up to the Iraq war. That does not mean however that the NSA have supported him to leak this information.

besides right now i cant see this leading to Obama's impeachment

edit on 12-6-2013 by OtherSideOfTheCoin because: (no reason given)

I concur on all points.

In my view, Snowden is what he appears to be.

However, Jon Rappoport has asked who may have gained from all this.
unspy.wordpress.com...

It’s likely that the probe Ron Paul has been pushing—audit the Federal Reserve—has already been done by those who control unlimited global surveillance. They already know far more than any Congressional investigation will uncover. If they know the deepest truths, they can use them to blackmail, manipulate, and control the Fed itself. Therefore….when looking for who might have helped Ed Snowden punch a hole in NSA, we should think about who the NSA has been spying on. Not the little guy, not the medium-sized guy, but a very big guy. Perhaps a Goldman Sachs or a JP Morgan.

In this global-surveillance world, we need to ask new questions and think along different lines now.

For example, how long before the mortgage-derivative crisis hit did the Masters of Surveillance know, from spying on bank records, that insupportable debt was accumulating at a lethal pace? What did they do with that information?

reply to post by wasaka


Yeah, I am pretty sure the N.S.A. has been spying on corporations and members of congress and The Executive Branch (especially Obama), I was indirectly involved with them from the 90's on but hey! Look! I can speak about it now. I was kind of hoping they would leak the Intel, but... maybe this was meant to neutralize them.

It could have also been meant to leak the Intel, I don't know. It could have been completely random, but I doubt this considering how close it was to the June 6th Bilderberg conference.

War could be the expected outcome, and the likely outcome, regardless... if the energies are not dealt with in other ways... I have been surprised before about how well good people have dealt with these energies lately to prevent conflict.

Bad people trying to prevent conflict usually do it to cover their own asses, while good people actually take steps to hold corrupt people accountable and work on solutions to balance out the energies.

Oh, and some people perpetuate conflict for esoteric reasons.

reply to post by BABYBULL24


Her opinion is the checks and balances will work fine, I don't think she is holding out for anything, she simply doesn't think it is a big deal and reminded me of Nixon and McCarthy and how they weren't able to get away with things, even with their powerful positions.

She also explained to me that the pendulum always swings from one extreme to the other, nothing new.

She is probably going to go back to embroidery and reading.

Frequency for current and period for the collector wave .

reply to post by SpaceCowboy21


What's this? Also, he could have been supported by the N.S.A. simply to get it out in the open... or supported by someone else, although he said he was not in contact with any government organizations, just the press.

Originally posted by darkbake
My mom told me she thinks that everything is going just fine, the system is working just fine, since the ACLU filed lawsuits these issues are going to end up in front of the Supreme Court, who has already been ruthlessly attacking Obama's overstepping of Executive powers.

Which executive powers has Obama overstepped and where can I find a list of these on the ACLU website? I've just been there and I can't find any evidence that they're 'ruthlessly attacking' him for overstepping executive powers.

My guess is that anyone who calls him a traitor is going to end up in prison because they are hiding something that is going to come out with the leaked information. Obama is probably not going to be successful trying to cover his tracks by going after the A.P.

Maybe Obama was such a threat that the N.S.A. had to reveal itself in order to take him out. That was my mom's view, anyway - it is highly speculative!

Does your mother take medication?

If so, has she considered taking more? Or maybe less? I mean, something's gotta work eventually, right?

I want to add to this... was Snowden supported by members of the N.S.A. or another shadow government of some kind?

The fact is, he appeared right after the Bilderburg conference, left his data, and then seemingly disappeared off the face of the Earth.

Were all of the bankers and politicians being used and allowed to be corrupt so that their data could be collected over a period of time and then leaked, causing the U.S. to collapse?

reply to post by Sankari


Good to see you join the discussion, Sankari. I'm glad to see you doing research It's a positive step. But since you asked, here.

ACLU and Drones

ACLU to Obama: You can't just vaporize Americans without judicial process

The ACLU on Obama and Core Liberties

First ACLU, now NYT Blasts Obama for Spying on Media

ACLU Lawyer Calls Obama "Judge, Jury and Executioner"


Seriously, though. I'm proud of you for checking into it.

reply to post by darkbake


There's a rumor that the NSA - working with the obozo administration - blackmailed justice roberts (over his buying of his children - adoption - through south american channels) and his turning on making obozocare "legal".

Please read the thread about Tom Donilon - it may be a missing part of the NSA/Snowden story. Seems the ex NSA diretor stepped down and was sitting next to Putin during the boston bombing charade in russia.

Please read the thread and make an opinion. Has SNowden just been renditioned to Russia?