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Originally posted by DISRAELI
Originally posted by deadeyedick
]Doesn't Lazarus story make this verse hard to understand? And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
I don't see how producing an argument against the Lazarus event helps your case.
The decisive point against your theory is this- the total absence of any evidence.
If it had happened that way, there is no earthly reason why the gospels should not have said so.
that none of that is relevant to today because Jesus the son of GOD won all power in these matters on the cross.
…18And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. 19Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatever I have commanded you: and, see, I am with you always, even to the end of the world. Amen.
Originally posted by tinhattribunal
i have heard that baptism is an occult ritual which 'seals the heart chakra',
which prevents one from 'ascending'.
however, i am not an expert in these matters, maybe you could ask that 'initiate' dude and he will give us the answer!
It has to be an alternative subject of the verb; "It was the disciples who baptised".
Maybe a better question would be if you was there and witnessed this act in the name of GOD with the son of man watching would you have enough faith in GOD to let go of the flesh or would you rebuke the son of GOD as your savior and join the stick parade?
It may be both. I know that upon the return Jesus will give power to his elect and they will spread it to the believers. The top down method seems logical.
In the Greek, is it ambiguous as to whether it should mean "only the disciples baptized" or "baptized only his disciples"?
It may be both. I know that upon the return Jesus will give power to his elect and they will spread it to the believers. The top down method seems logical.
Oppression does not quite fit what happens next try destruction.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by deadeyedick
It may be both. I know that upon the return Jesus will give power to his elect and they will spread it to the believers. The top down method seems logical.
Ah, so it's an exclusive deal then, like a cult. Join us and share in our power, or choose your own way and be garbage. This is a perfect setup for divide and conquer, methinks. I can smell oppression on the wind already.
Oppression does not quite fit what happens next try destruction.
1 Peter 3
when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ship was being built. In it, few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21 This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you—not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, angels and authorities and powers being made subject to him.
Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by AfterInfinity
None of that is worth a squirt of piss if they do not have faith in Jesus since he mastered the secrets of GOD. To me that is what most fail to realize is that any power wielded now or in the future will only be givin by Jesus in order to save or deceive. These pagan deities have already lost the battle because the cross was the price of the kingdom. Put your faith in false bs and your faith will be in vain.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by deadeyedick
None of that is worth a squirt of piss if they do not have faith in Jesus since he mastered the secrets of GOD. To me that is what most fail to realize is that any power wielded now or in the future will only be givin by Jesus in order to save or deceive. These pagan deities have already lost the battle because the cross was the price of the kingdom. Put your faith in false bs and your faith will be in vain.
I don't see the point of posting in these forums if all you want is for people to agree with you and suck up to your beloved god.
To hell with your god. He should be in the top ten of his book of judgment. I dearly hope he is, and if he isn't, then I will gladly offer him my seat in the burning abyss that he designed for the children he loves so much. That is my personal stance on the matter. You should check out my thread when you have a chance, and we can discuss the matter at length.
Here, however, I have provided proof that your baptism is not Christian. It is far older then Christianity. The Egyptians did it, the Greeks did it. I would hazard a suggestion that the Native Americans and Aztecs and Nordics did it too. Try Googling it, see if I'm wrong. None of the Abrahamic or Judaic or Christian faiths have any monopoly over baptism and the use of sanctified water, so your point is invalid. You asked for us to prove you wrong - albeit it with scripture, but that's cheating. You want us to prove you wrong using the same materials you used to make your point. I prefer to think outside the book, as it were.
And so here you have it.
edit on 7-6-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
My answer was in the post you responded too. If you are receiving power from one of these pagan deities then you will soon find yourself explaining why you put any of them above the creator unless you are prepared to acknowledge the price that was paid by our savior. I know the one you have a relationship is real and that it can be a beneficial relationship however there is a spiritual power structure that they do adhere too because they were givin a job to do and it does not involve bringing you to eternal salvation but quite the opposite.
These pagan deities have already lost the battle because the cross was the price of the kingdom.
Being dunked in water doesn’t change you. It can’t get rid of the sin nature. It simply makes you wet and is no different than swimming or taking a bath.
So did the Biblical authors have something else in mind when they spoke of baptism?...
In order to illustrate the above truth for you, let’s start with the Apostle Paul’s comment on the Red Sea crossing and how it relates to baptism. He states:
“…our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea” (1 Cor. 10:1-2).
In the above verse, Paul clearly links baptism with the Red Sea crossing. But what’s Paul talking about? Traditionally, the church has taught that Paul thought of this event as God foreshadowing what was to come for the church, and that literal baptism is now part of God’s commandment. But the Israelites remained dry as they crossed the sea. Likewise, being dunked, sprinkled, or submerged in actual water is not the true meaning of baptism, even in the New Testament....
“And Moses said unto the people, Fear ye not, stand still, and see the salvation of the Lord…The Lord shall fight for you, and ye shall hold your peace” (Exodus 14:13-14).
Keep in mind that Moses is commanding the Israelites to stand still even as they are supposed to be walking across the Red Sea floor!
This aspect of standing still and holding our peace is the very act of meditation itself. This is the way to salvation!
The Psalmist reiterates this truth much later when he states:
“Be still and know that I am God…” (Psalm 46:10).
Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by Cuervo
My answer was in the post you responded too. If you are receiving power from one of these pagan deities then you will soon find yourself explaining why you put any of them above the creator unless you are prepared to acknowledge the price that was paid by our savior. I know the one you have a relationship is real and that it can be a beneficial relationship however there is a spiritual power structure that they do adhere too because they were givin a job to do and it does not involve bringing you to eternal salvation but quite the opposite.
These pagan deities have already lost the battle because the cross was the price of the kingdom.