Little Boy Discovers Meat Is Murder; Makes His Mom Cry..

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by iwilliam

 

it is actually impossible to eat a variety of starches and vegetables, meet the required caloric daily intake, but not get adequate nutrition.

This statement is overly-simple and because of that, incorrect. I don't have time to completely read through the sources you posted, but it is quite possible to get inadequate nutrition if food sources are not varied enough. To use an exaggerated example-- if you eat white rice, and only white rice, every day, you will not get a complete enough range of amino acids.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by iwilliam

@ the Redneck..... playing with a rattlesnake? Give me a break. You're going to equate allowing your child to not eat meat if they're morally / emotionally opposed to allowing them to play with a rattlesnake?

Strawman? Really?

Point: obviously missed.

Are you saying that the foods one eats are not related to physical growth and development? I say they are, and thus it is necessary to control what a child eats to assure proper physical development. I believe a vast body of scientific evidence as well as an entire industry of dieticians, nutritionists, doctors, etc. will agree with me. Getting too close to a dangerous animal is a threat to a child's life, therefore it is necessary to control a child's actions to assure continued existence.

I see a pattern of necessary control there. Sorry if you do not.

That reply was in response to the often-stated belief in this thread that parents should not control their children's actions. Would you agree that keeping a child from playing with a dangerous animal is controlling a child's actions?

TheRedneck

No, I didn't miss your point. I also did quite well in university-level nutrition courses, and I agree that adequate nutrition is essential for the optimal functioning of the human body and mind. Doubly so for a growing child. However, allow me to repeat this:


There is nothing dangerous about not eating meat if one is smart / careful and chooses the proper food sources or otherwise supplements their diet.



Your argument is a straw man argument because you are trying to compare the level of danger of allowing a child a vegetarian diet, to the level of danger of allowing a child to play with a dangerous animal. The latter is quite obviously far more dangerous. It is true that a parent's job is protecting their child. It is true that offering guidance is part of that job. And I will concede, that if a person is too poor, or too stupid to create a healthful diet without meat, they should probably encourage their child to eat meat once in a while.

But generally speaking I feel forcing a child to do something they find emotionally / morally repugnant to be wrong, and I re-state (for the millionth time) that there is nothing inherently dangerous about a person not eating meat. All nutrients found in animal protein can be obtained via plant sources and dietary supplements. You can't compare the danger level (or lack thereof) or type of experience to letting your kids play with a venomous snake without being completely disingenuous and ridiculous.


"You wouldn't put your kids in harm's way, would you?" Is not only an appeal to emotion, but an argument that is easy to knock down (Straw Man). Of course no one wants their child to be in harm's way. But that's not really what we're talking about here. Letting your child eat whatever they please? Of course not. I don't think anyone here is advocating that. But you can't equate not eating meat to the danger of a defenseless child facing a wild / venomous /whatever animal. The fact that you fail to see how ridiculous this is, is a little baffling.





PS-- The classic "what do you think this is, a restaurant," argument is egoistic BS, and a mimetic virus that needs to die.

reply to post by HelenConway


So you give deity to science but not to God? That is awesome. You worship science but yet deny the science of humans being omnivorous. Odd....

Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by purplemer

 

Show me a vegan that lived past 100 years.

Are you for real. Can you not use google or something.. There are plenty of them.. Click on the link to see more of them...

Loreen Dinwiddie - 108 year old Centenarian - VEGAN.The oldest woman on record in Multnomah County and perhaps the oldest woman in her entire state. She follows a fully plant-based VEGAN diet. This vegan centenarian is in incredible fitness and health even at near super-centenarian status.

www.flickr.com...@N23/discuss/72157626391777857/

Further it is scientifically proven that vegetarians live longer than meat eaters. If you wish to try and refute this please do it with peer reviewed science. Not just a website with someones opinion on it..

Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by purplemer

 

Show me a vegan that lived past 100 years.

Are you for real. Can you not use google or something.. There are plenty of them.. Click on the link to see more of them...

Loreen Dinwiddie - 108 year old Centenarian - VEGAN.The oldest woman on record in Multnomah County and perhaps the oldest woman in her entire state. She follows a fully plant-based VEGAN diet. This vegan centenarian is in incredible fitness and health even at near super-centenarian status.

www.flickr.com...@N23/discuss/72157626391777857/

Further it is scientifically proven that vegetarians live longer than meat eaters. If you wish to try and refute this please do it with peer reviewed science. Not just a website with someones opinion on it..

reply to post by purplemer


Set him down in McDonald's with a Happy Meal with a cheeseburger (or Chicken Nuggets) and I'll bet he sings a different tune.

(But seriously, don't go to McDonald's.)

reply to post by Hollie


Opinions vary. It's kewl that you have one though.

Originally posted by Hopechest

Originally posted by j.r.c.b.
Wow, that's a really smart little boy!! How cool that his mom let him make his own choice!! I love that!! And I DO come from a meat eating family, but this was so precious!!

TY OP FOR POSTING.......

Really?

Your going to give your 2 yr. old kid choices about what he can eat?

Sorry but as a parent you tell your 2 yr. old kid what he will eat.

I hate liberal parents...not saying anything in regards to you but just in general.

HURPH DURPH MY SON TRIED TO EAT A BROCCOLI LAST NIGHT AND I SLAPPED IT OUT OF HIS HAND RIGHT QUACK. Dem libril pay-rentz tryin' ta make muh son eat hayl-tee. We ol' fash'ned conservative folk dawnt beleave in this hear eetin' hayl-tee; all we eets is darn tootin' red meat. I strangled a deer with my bear hands last nite and nibbled on his nose bone. Mmmmm. I made muh son drink that there blood usin' a straw strate out that there deer's neck and he never touched a broccoli again. Librils pissin' me awff.

reply to post by Christian Voice

So you give deity to science but not to God?

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe there is not much difference between the two. According to science the universe started a big bang and according to creationists it was started by God. Both are saying the universe was created by an undefinable phenomena which we do not understand. We argue over the labeling of words that are talking about the same events..

Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by Hollie

 

Do you have a problem with us Christians? If you do then by all means block away. Then I don't have to read your ignorant posts along with the other Godless heathans.

I like how in your profile it says "Stuff I Don't Like: People that continuously throw out names like bigot, and hate mongers, and ignorant" Blahahahahaha amusing.

Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by HelenConway

 

So you give deity to science but not to God? That is awesome. You worship science but yet deny the science of humans being omnivorous. Odd....

I am a christian roughly and I do believe in a higher creative power.

However - in England the christianity I was taught was about kindness to all living beings.

The reason I do not practice in church is because of the hypocrites in churches who do NOT believe this and think as you state animals can be treated as chattals.

However in England we more or less believe we are all apes - as you are, believe it or not - does not change the truth.

reply to post by purplemer


True that, since going vegan I haven't gotten sick a single time. No tortured, infected meat for me, thank you.

reply to post by purplemer


I call shenanigans. You can tell the child is being led on and that this is a vegan ploy.

The boy is going through a phase. It usually happens after they let go of their safety dolls, that they can't mix friendly animal feelings with eating animals.

That is the time parents can pull tricks like sneaking eggs into the food.

I think his mom is crying because she knows he's going to grow up different from his peers, and get bullied in school for being a soft vegan evangelist. She slaved in the kitchen all day for that octo-gnocci, and now he won't eat it. Kid is going to be anemic with his habit, picking at free food like a Hindu. The dad will come home and wonder what's defective with his son.

Next thing he's going to be protesting cooked food, and GMO potatoes.

more: I went through the vegan purity phase as a child too, and was a carrot-addict. Then I learned that I get to eat what mom gave me, and when you're hungry, all food tastes good.

Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by HelenConway

 

You are so weird. I am not an ape nor am I related to monkeys of any kind. The very thought is absurd. What about my question? What's the difference between eating animals and eating plants?

Isnt it obvious? Plants are not sentient.

Originally posted by Maslo

Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by HelenConway

 

You are so weird. I am not an ape nor am I related to monkeys of any kind. The very thought is absurd. What about my question? What's the difference between eating animals and eating plants?

Isnt it obvious? Plants are not sentient.

I am not convinced that is entirely true.

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reply to post by DontTreadOnMe


Never my intention. Because of my screen name people jump on it no matter what thread I'm on and try and bait me. I usually take the bait and refuse to back down.
I'm of the mindset that children this young do not have the necessary life experiences or knowledge to make decisions for themselves and we should not expect them to. It's obvious he did not want octopus and he weaseled his way out of eating it. I am also of the mindset that we as humans are built to be omnivorous. We do not have these wonderful canines for ripping the meaty flesh of a tomato.

reply to post by Maslo

The argument about suffering is a good one, when we take into account the abuses that exist in meat industry. But if the meat comes from sources that care about the wellbeing of the animals, then I dont see why it is immoral. So, my answer is death yes, suffering no.

so you're for unnecessary death if it brings you pleasure?

It is not unnecessary. Meat is very important in the human diet. Like I said, it wouldn't fly over too well with the Eskimo's. And I only know of sick people that kill for pleasure. Your typical more modern day meat eater does not take pleasure in killing anything. They take pleasure in NOT killing it.

i've already shown that everything one gets from meat, one can get from plants. there is no reason to eat animals for food. you'll lose 10 years of your life, be unhealthy, and be killing sentient beings who would rather be alive.

reply to post by Bob Sholtz


Why is food unnecessary? Food is needed to survive and thankfully it is pleasurable to eat most things.

Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by DontTreadOnMe

 

it. I am also of the mindset that we as humans are built to be omnivorous. We do not have these wonderful canines for ripping the meaty flesh of a tomato.

our canines are negligible - tiny little things, more suited to biting apples then ripping flesh.. Our mouths have far more molars for grinding grains and vegetables, just like our cousins the other apes.
Please refer to pictures earlier in thread