Hollywood says "too Gay?"

reply to post by burdman30ott6

This statement has always struck me as being fairly ridiculous. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with those who have a stance on the "morality" of homosexuality, but to say that they would have to experience homosexuality before declaring it wrong is asinine. There are many matters in this life which we, as society, have declared to be morally wrong and even legally wrong without the majority having need to experience them first. You do not have to be a victim before you know murder, rape, assault, etc are wrong. You do not have to lose a finger to know it's a dumb idea to juggle butcher knives. You don't have to kick a kitten to know that animal abuse is morally wrong.

I agree in that I worded that statement wrong. But the actions you list actually harm other people and ourselves, and show that your putting a natural occurrence of love and human sexuality in the same category as act of immorality, implying somehow that homosexuality is akin to killing another human being.

I agree that I worded that statement wrong, but what I meant to say was one cannot make a moral argument against homosexuality if it doesn't harm him in anyway and if he is not homosexual; nor can he create an immorality out of something that is in fact a natural occurrence of human love and sensuality, not an occurrence of anything evil.

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by burdman30ott6

 

This statement has always struck me as being fairly ridiculous. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with those who have a stance on the "morality" of homosexuality, but to say that they would have to experience homosexuality before declaring it wrong is asinine. There are many matters in this life which we, as society, have declared to be morally wrong and even legally wrong without the majority having need to experience them first. You do not have to be a victim before you know murder, rape, assault, etc are wrong. You do not have to lose a finger to know it's a dumb idea to juggle butcher knives. You don't have to kick a kitten to know that animal abuse is morally wrong.

I agree in that I worded that statement wrong. But the actions you list actually harm other people and ourselves, and show that your putting a natural occurrence of love and human sexuality in the same category as act of immorality, implying somehow that homosexuality is akin to killing another human being.

I agree that I worded that statement wrong, but what I meant to say was one cannot make a moral argument against homosexuality if it doesn't harm him in anyway and if he is not homosexual; nor can he create an immorality out of something that is in fact a natural occurrence of human love and sensuality, not an occurrence of anything evil.

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burdman,

I respectfully disagree. God has revealed the immorality of the homosexual "act." The "act" is an
abomination to God and to remain silent and not speak the Truth when from every side in this dark
time, sodomites are selling their way as good.

Look at the leaders of the Boy Scouts, they sold their souls because some sodomite companies threatened
to end their financial support of the Boy Scouts.

Where is the purity for our children? Jesus Mercy. Be on God's side. Speak out to save souls. The "act" is a grave mortal sin. If you believe yourself to be homosexual, from the heart with true contrition confess this mortal sin to God. God is merciful. Repeating, from then on, remain CELIBATE.

Sodom was destroyed for sodomy.

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
I watched the movie. I thought the performances were fantastic, the movie itself, not so much.

I must admit, I do find it difficult to watch man on man action, but my offence lies not in the act of homosexuality, but in my own thoughts regarding it, and the imagery that pops in my mind viewing such material. I can not conclude that homosexuality is evil without first knowing homosexuality, and that involves first being homosexual. It is an outright lie to claim something is wrong, while at the same time not understanding it. Every time one becomes uncomfortable with the thought of homosexuality, it is his own thoughts and views he is uncomfortable with. Sorry, but your views are not their problem or fault, they're yours. You should first address those instead of homosexuality itself.

Reading through today's comments. Oh my, it is "bigotry" when you state evil is evil. Everyone must be
allowed to do as they please, no matter the perversion. I was trying to be civil with my "I respectfully disagree."

I take it back. Are you all nuts, promoting sodomy? There certainly is something wrong with the "act."
God made man to be united with a woman. Sex is for marriage and pro-creation, both. Look at the fruit
of sexual sin, wake up people.

Save your soul.

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
I watched the movie. I thought the performances were fantastic, the movie itself, not so much.

I must admit, I do find it difficult to watch man on man action, but my offence lies not in the act of homosexuality, but in my own thoughts regarding it, and the imagery that pops in my mind viewing such material. I can not conclude that homosexuality is evil without first knowing homosexuality, and that involves first being homosexual. It is an outright lie to claim something is wrong, while at the same time not understanding it. Every time one becomes uncomfortable with the thought of homosexuality, it is his own thoughts and views he is uncomfortable with. Sorry, but your views are not their problem or fault, they're yours. You should first address those instead of homosexuality itself.

Reading through today's comments. Oh my, it is "bigotry" when you state evil is evil. Everyone must be
allowed to do as they please, no matter the perversion. I was trying to be civil with my "I respectfully disagree."

I take it back. Are you all nuts, promoting sodomy? There certainly is something wrong with the "act."
God made man to be united with a woman. Sex is for marriage and pro-creation, both. Look at the fruit
of sexual sin, wake up people.

Save your soul.

Do you comprehend the word 'Sodomy'? it also includes Oral sex, which heterosexual engage in

God didn't make me, and obviously not with a women, so i can do as i please,

are you worried about my soul? truly?


i'm attempting to stay on topic, but these comments that disregard us as a Human are asinine,


The movie is what it is, don't want to watch it, don't, not interested in Liberace don't watch it, but to say it's 'too Gay' is crossing into the discrimination territory

reply to post by colbe


In that case, never EVER wear a condom when you have sex, okay? If you've used a condom before then you're also an abomination, sound fair?

If sex is only for procreation then why did god give us the urge to have sex multiple times per week? Why didn't he make it where sex resulted in a baby every single time? Why does he make some women and men barren? Why do some women give birth to stillborn babies?

Your argument is SO close-minded it's pathetic, and it holds absolutely no water when you look at the bigger picture. Apparently you're not interested in the bigger picture though, you'd rather close yourself off from the world and stay stuck in a book.

My brother is gay, and I find it extremely disrespectful that you see him as less than human and an abomination. Get real. Have a little empathy for your fellow man.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by colbe

 

In that case, never EVER wear a condom when you have sex, okay? If you've used a condom before then you're also an abomination, sound fair?

I wont speak for him but Catholics as a rule do not use protection nor birth control.

Also... Understand the difference between an abomination and a sin. There is only one reference to this particular issue and it could well be interpreted different ways. Still, my first point above, stands.

If sex is only for procreation then why did god give us the urge to have sex multiple times per week? Why didn't he make it where sex resulted in a baby every single time? Why does he make some women and men barren? Why do some women give birth to stillborn babies?

Read your bible before you ask many of these questions. The answers are found there, each and every one. There are search tools online if you're lost. Google them.

If you still can't find the answers, why not ask God directly. You said you had a direct link. Why not use it.

You're using this silly question tactic to stump... It doesnt seem that you're much of a believer at all. It seems more like you're objecting to someone who believes in God more than you care to admit, even though you claim you yourself believe. You sound more like an athiest bashing a believer for his beliefs than anything.

Your argument is SO close-minded it's pathetic, and it holds absolutely no water when you look at the bigger picture. Apparently you're not interested in the bigger picture though, you'd rather close yourself off from the world and stay stuck in a book.

You cant accept others points of view, can you? You demand that we see your way, yet you refuse to accept ours. Instead, you go on throwing names out of obvious frustrations. Is it closed minded to not accept your way, or not to see that our way actually has a foundation? I could say you're the closed minded one. You're the pathetic one, simply because you choose to bash ones with an actual belief system that holds more water than your "I just believe in god for no reason, other than I just do.. no source, no foundation.. i just do". That alone is pretty far out there.. for blind faith. In your own words, isn't that dangerous? Everything you throw at us, you yourself fit more of the bill than we do. How's that for a hipocrite?

My brother is gay, and I find it extremely disrespectful that you see him as less than human and an abomination. Get real. Have a little empathy for your fellow man.

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Sooooo.... NOW we see... Ok.. This makes all the sense in the world. Your brother is gay..> thay speaks volumes...

You just explained everything about you and your way of thinking right there.

ever imagined what you would feel like if your brother wasn't? I bet even though you argue that you would, Im betting that you cant... you would probably think about this issues with much less care.

That's ok... you can be biased. it'll help with your hipocracy.

sure it will

Great a movie about an old queer doing drugs with his boy toys, can't wait to miss this film.

Liberace the highest paid entertainer of his age spent all his money living a flamboyant lifestyle of self indulgence and publicly denying his homosexuality. Liberace was a selfish P.O.S. whose only charity was allowing organizations access to his wardrobe for the purpose of charging people money to view them.

The jerk sued anyone who exposed him thus screwing them literally and figuratively.

I am glad this asshole died of HIV related illnesses.

RIP to all those negatively affected by this parasite of a human.

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Let me add; I wonder how many of you clowns arguing about what homosexuality is or isn't actually are gay or know more that one gay whom you have daily contact with?

I have been in daily contact with gay men for several years and from that experience all of you arguing about what it is or isn't come across as complete and utter idiots.

reply to post by theRhenn


Closing people off from the chance to truly love another person because YOU do not agree with it is close-minded. Shutting off someone's god-given right to be loved is hypocritical, especially since you claim to preach love itself. You are hypocritical my friend, not me, and Jesus would be absolutely ashamed and sickened of the way you think of certain people, calling them "abominations" and all.

You say I have no basis for believing in god, but you are 100% wrong. What I see everyday is my foundation for believing in a god, yours is a 3,000 year old book. Lol. Just because you don't think my foundation is good enough doesn't mean it isn't one.

I don't think your foundation is good enough for believing in the type of god that you do. You trust words written by men, I believe what I can see, you believe I something you will never see. There's a huge difference between our beliefs and mine has a much stronger foundation than yours ever will. Your "foundation" can't decide what's what and 40,000 denominations claim your foundation as their own. Your foundation crumbles with the interpretation of a few words, mine endures forever and will continue to endure long after your book is all but forgotten.

I felt the same way about gay people before my brother ever even came out of the closet, before I ever even suspected that he was gay. How can you claim to know how I would feel when you know next to nothing about me? Talk about self-righteous. Lol. You think you're better than other people all because you believe a certain way and they don't. Get over yourself.

How the hell am I biased when I believe I equality for everyone, no matter their orientation? You are biased because you think gay people are abominations. Your words prove that you are biased, biased towards gay people. I'd hate for one of your children to turn out to be gay, I'm sure you would completely disown them wouldn't you? Throw them out on the street without a second thought.

Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli

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Let me add; I wonder how many of you clowns arguing about what homosexuality is or isn't actually are gay or know more that one gay whom you have daily contact with?

I have been in daily contact with gay men for several years and from that experience all of you arguing about what it is or isn't come across as complete and utter idiots.

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i am, and i do

reply to post by Darth_Prime


That would explain why your responses don't read like some retard nerd raging a game of League of Legends whilst scratching their crotch.

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli


You seem like a very high and mighty type who thinks his # doesn't stink.

Insecure about something?

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by theRhenn

 

Closing people off from the chance to truly love another person because YOU do not agree with it is close-minded. Shutting off someone's god-given right to be loved is hypocritical, especially since you claim to preach love itself. You are hypocritical my friend, not me, and Jesus would be absolutely ashamed and sickened of the way you think of certain people, calling them "abominations" and all.

You say I have no basis for believing in god, but you are 100% wrong. What I see everyday is my foundation for believing in a god, yours is a 3,000 year old book. Lol. Just because you don't think my foundation is good enough doesn't mean it isn't one.

I don't think your foundation is good enough for believing in the type of god that you do. You trust words written by men, I believe what I can see, you believe I something you will never see. There's a huge difference between our beliefs and mine has a much stronger foundation than yours ever will. Your "foundation" can't decide what's what and 40,000 denominations claim your foundation as their own. Your foundation crumbles with the interpretation of a few words, mine endures forever and will continue to endure long after your book is all but forgotten.

I felt the same way about gay people before my brother ever even came out of the closet, before I ever even suspected that he was gay. How can you claim to know how I would feel when you know next to nothing about me? Talk about self-righteous. Lol. You think you're better than other people all because you believe a certain way and they don't. Get over yourself.

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Im not going to bother going through any of these points save 1, because it wouldnt matter.

Love and Sex are two different things. Why would you bunch them together? You're saying we're denying love when that's not at all what it's about. it's about the sexual perversion of the very concept of being gay.

These things are not gay:

Mother and Son loving each other
Father and Daughter
Mother and Daughter
Father and Son
Brothers and Sister
Friends and Relatives

All of these can love each other unconditionally. All of these can "kiss" one another. It's been done this way for thousands of years. Men have loved one another deeply, as women have loved one another deeply.

Are you ready? Here is where it becomes perversion and sinful... and an abomination.

Men having sex with men.

The only thing you can apply to this for the sake of "love" is that people confuse sex with love today. Sex is something seperate from the feeling of love. Sex is an act of procreation to preserve mankind, the act of producing an offspring. THIS is what it is used for. Not for pleasure. For reproducing.

I'm sorry, but I do not see mankind on the same level as animals... We are well above animals, we speak, they do not, we reason, they do not, we achieve, they do not. Anyone who thinks so is fooling themselves into making more of it than is even logical. Even if you say "well they speak in their language..." that's just daft... They make noises they can recognize. When was the last time you saw a dog have a full conversation with another? Do you honestly think a dog can tell another dog to meet him at the store down the road? No! But it can damn sure follow him.. it's still not the same. They might understand basics like "Alarm", "Danger", or "Food", but they dont know their ass from their tail when it comes to reasoning. What kind of animal that's so smart would ever play fetch or lick it's own butt? So when you say that animals have homo tendancies, so it's ok for humans... I say this to you...

You can put yourself in the same catagory as those animals and I'll be more than happy to feel superior to you, since that's what you expect, that we're better because we find homosexuality a sin... You act like we want to kill homo's because they're gay when it has nothing to do with anything of the sort. We find the ACT offensive and sinful. The person I have no quarel with untill he/she pushes it in my face, forces my kid to know anything about it without my permission because YOU think it's ok... That's as bad as a wellfair state, telling me what I can and cannot believe and what I can and cannot teach my kids.

I dont want to see it on tv, billboards or anything because it's an ugly act being made ok by people like you.

...all because your brother or someone close to you is gay. Just because there is perversion in your family, you expect me and the rest of the world to deal with it too? How closed minded is that?? You better take a very close look at yourself before you call others closed minded and terrible because we choose to follow an ancient belief system that's been here longer than your will to push it down our throats. Who are you to determin our faith, what we can and cannot believe and what we have to deal with... This isn't communist china. This is america. We live and let live.. let living doesnt mean forcing us to deal with your sinful ways. It means you do it in your own home and leave the rest of the world alone about it.

as for the rest of your gibberish... you have not one single clue as to what you're talking about. Dont assume. You're playing those childish games again.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


Ok.. lets play your way.

What god do you believe in?

What is his/her name?

What does he/she tell you?

Why do you believe in that god? (Saying it's because of looking at everything around you does not count... give a source as to how and why you believe in this said god)

What rituals, prayers, sacred rites do you perform to worship this god?

What is the origin of your god?

How did you come to know this god of yours?

Where does it show/say that homosexuality is not a sin? Obviously you have to have a basis for your belief, unless you thunk him out of thin air.


I have a baisis and foundation for my beliefs, whether you want to admit to it or not... I have a source. What do you have?

I could say that being gay is a sin because the all mighty tree says so and I would have just as much credit to what I believe as you do at this point... so.. oblige me... Do tell about the concept, the whole shabang about your beliefs... You must show me how your ways are credible and mine are not.

If you cannot.. then I'm done with you and your responces. There is no point in trying to carry a one sided argument with you if you have nothing to bring to the table but stuff you believe just because you do... I at least have something to reference. Something that brings credit to my beliefs, even if it's a book that's thousands of years old, and an older testament that's even older...


Oh yeah... dont quote from my bible. You dont believe in that so you can't use it.

Ready... Set... Go!

reply to post by theRhenn


You left an awful lot of "perversions" out of your little rant there. Perversions like incest, rape, pedophilia, sexual slavery and human trade, child abuse, neglect, hunger and all kinds of other crimes against humanity, including bigotry.

This is america. We live and let live.. let living doesnt mean forcing us to deal with your sinful ways. It means you do it in your own home and leave the rest of the world alone about it.

Typical! I'm sorry, but you don't live a bubble. You do have to deal with the unpleasantness of society.

reply to post by theRhenn


Okay, I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of this post. If what I see doesn't count then neither does your bible.

reply to post by windword


The ironic thing is, no one is forcing anything on him. No one is telling him to go out and have sex with a hundred guys.

I'm guessing he wouldn't "deal" with his son if he were gay, he would just kick him to the curb without ever talking to him again. At least that's the vibe I'm getting from his posts.

Intolerant is the only word I can think of to describe what he believes. I'm not tolerant of intolerance personally.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by windword

 

The ironic thing is, no one is forcing anything on him. No one is telling him to go out and have sex with a hundred guys.

I'm guessing he wouldn't "deal" with his son if he were gay, he would just kick him to the curb without ever talking to him again. At least that's the vibe I'm getting from his posts.

Intolerant is the only word I can think of to describe what he believes. I'm not tolerant of intolerance personally.

Pot meet kettle.

God doesn't change, how many times does Our Lord have to say it?

To one of His present day messengers ~

Thursday, May 23, 2013
Jesus said: “My people, what you are seeing in America is a gradual decay in your morals, as these sinful acts of fornication and homosexual acts are not seen as sins by some. Even though you may rationalize these actions as not being sins, they are still mortal sins in My eyes, and each person will be held accountable. When you allow abortions, euthanasia, and same-sex marriage in your laws and statutes, you are condemning your nation, and calling down My judgment against you. You will be seeing continuous disasters, and an eventual takeover of your country as a punishment for your sins as a nation.”

www.johnleary.com...

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli


Why not stick to calling people P.O.S.'s, nerds, and saying you're glad that people die of AIDS and HIV?

You've already shown your true colors, they're brown and stink like hell.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli

 

Why not stick to calling people P.O.S.'s and being glad that they died of AIDS and HIV?...

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I've been away this evening so I haven't read the latest replies. I shared I care for you in another thread, ditto
for everyone at ATS.

People spend their lives going against God and His only desire is draw them to Him, to be with Him forever
in Heaven. Suffering is a mystery but we know in the Catholic view, it is redemptive.

Everyone has a cross or multiple crosses in their lives. Our Lord suffered.

Having AIDS is a great suffering. The mystery.