Russia Putin threatens Obama with war over Monsanto and dying bees.

Russia Warns Obama: Global War Over “Bee Apocalypse” Coming Soon.

The shocking minutes relating to President Putin’s meeting this past week with US Secretary of State John Kerry reveal the Russian leaders “extreme outrage” over the Obama regimes continued protection of global seed and plant bio-genetic giants Syngenta and Monsanto in the face of a growing “bee apocalypse” that the Kremlin warns “will most certainly” lead to world war.

Here in the US, we're constantly being told how evil other countries are. Their governments, their economic systems (communism, socialism etc.), even their people.

Yet for some reason, we find that time after time, they seem to be more concerned about their people than our leaders are about us...

GMOs have been said to affect our very genetic structure.

As far as bees, there is a quote attributed to Einstein which says: "if the bee disappears from the surface of the earth, man would have no more than four years to live."

Seems like this issue gets to the very core of our being but is it worth going to war over?

Typical Sorcha Faal. A little bit of truth, with exaggeration added in. We know that Kerry met with Putin, and was kept waiting so that much is true. But I doubt that they threatened war over bees and Monsanto.

reply to post by Zaphod58

Well the quote is “will most certainly lead to world war", not exactly a threat.

The quotes are attributed to meeting minutes.

But I wouldnt be surprised if the Russians are taking this issue very seriously unlike our politicians which seem to be bought and paid for by big $ lobbyists.

reply to post by gladtobehere


No, but the headline of the article is "threatens" US with war. Sorcha Faal puts that tiny kernel of truth in there. I doubt the minutes of the meeting were released to anyone that doesn't need to see them, and not to some guy in the Midwest claiming to be a Russian journalist in Moscow. It may be that governments think that it could lead to war, but I haven't heard any other governments say anything of the sort, and I'm certainly not going to trust Sorcha Faal to tell me that the sky is blue.

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I suppose Putin may have actually addressed this with Kerry, I certainly would if I were a world leader.I'll wait to discredit this information. If Putin did in fact say what the article says he did, I applaud Putin. If he did not, well, I wished he had.

www.cnbc.com...

According to the USDA, bee losses from CCD this past winter were 31.1 percent of all colonies. That's up from 22 percent the previous winter and slightly higher than the previous six-year loss average of 30.5 percent. It's estimated that 10 million beehives have been lost in the last six years at a cost of $2 billion, according to the USDA.

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• Speaking of market dominance, Monsanto essentially owns the market in genetically modified seed traits—a highly lucrative position, given the way GMOs have taken over massive crops like corn, soy, and cotton. And like any well-run company out to maximize earnings for its shareholders, Monsanto invests some of its profit hoard in protecting its market from pesky regulators who might place the public interest over Monsanto's. From the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks money in politics:

Indian Government Files Biopiracy Lawsuit Against Monsanto

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politicalvelcraft.org... ra-new-zealand-peru-south-australia-russia-france-and-switzerland/

Monsanto Has Been Removed And Banned By: Austria, Bulgaria, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Japan, Luxembourg, Madeira, New Zealand, Peru, South Australia, Russia, France, and Switzerland!

Monsanto gets kicked out of Britain
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The world is telling Monsanto to take a hike. I don't see why Putin wouldn't stress the dangers of Monsanto to our illustrious leaders.

reply to post by Witness2008


I'd love to see more research done into GM crops, and figuring out why the bees are dying. But just as I disagree with the US butting in to other countries business, what right does Russia have to tell the US what to do in their internal matters? Unless Russia is importing GM crops from the US then they can mind their own business.

srcha fail or not it would be great to see the powerful nation of russia take a stand against monsanto and their nefarious activities.

incidentally i read in an arcticle today that farmers are returning to the use of pesticides for corn as the GMO gene in the seed is losing effectiveness against the root worms.
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reply to post by gladtobehere


yes it is worth going to war over. It would be the only credible war this world has seen in hundreds of years

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by Witness2008

 

I'd love to see more research done into GM crops, and figuring out why the bees are dying. But just as I disagree with the US butting in to other countries business, what right does Russia have to tell the US what to do in their internal matters? Unless Russia is importing GM crops from the US then they can mind their own business.

Mostly because the death of bees means the death of us.

If Monsanto is part of the cause then the entire planet has a right to be outraged.

Russians included.

And since the u.s. Is their protector its only fair that others come to us with their concerns

well somebody has got stand up for the good of people. with the way our government works it definitely won't be the US. its good to know someone is willing to do something.

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AGREED.

It's beyond suicidally outrageous. I'm glad some such leader is screaming back at the traitorous folks in DC.

I'm continually aghast that so many Americans are so clueless about the bee problem.
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EU Times=BS.
OPEN YOUR EYES
OBAMA WANTS TO GET RID OF THE BEES ON PURPOSE
Illinois Illegally Seizes Bees Resistant to Monsanto roundup... kills the queens
"The Illinois Ag Dept. illegally seized privately owned bees from renowned naturalist, Terrence Ingram, without providing him with a search warrant and before the court hearing on the matter, reports Prairie Advocate News."
Bee's Honey: Most Potent Medicine, Biggest Cover Up in Medical History - Exposed!,
"Fact : Bee's Honey has powerful antiviral, antifungal, antibacterial, antitumor, antimetastatic, antiparasitic etc, properties. "

They want to make sure we have no access to cheap medicine!! open your eyes

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by Witness2008

 

I'd love to see more research done into GM crops, and figuring out why the bees are dying. But just as I disagree with the US butting in to other countries business, what right does Russia have to tell the US what to do in their internal matters? Unless Russia is importing GM crops from the US then they can mind their own business.

Certain actions affect the world not only one country. If one country decided to pollute a lot, everybody else would also affected by it.

The thing with GM crops is that we do not know the consequences of these yet. These might not be so bad for the environment or health, yet as long as there is a high possibility these might be dangerous, these should not be used widely. We can not turn back the environment. If damage is done, it is for a very long period, so the wisest choice would be not harming it in the first place, before being certain about the consequences.

It is not US internal business, if this can affect the whole world.

EU Times=BS.

Yes it's worth going to war over. I am sick to death of Americans and their greed and selfishness and yes laziness!!!

Whatever turns a fast buck...screw regulations and why they are there!!!!

I am certainly not a today's American.

Mr. Confusion back once again. I can't even tell what the article is claiming that the problem is.

Sure, Bee Colony Collapse is given as the general problem, but is the objection to GMOs or to the pesticides in the neonicotinoid family? As far as I can tell, they are different. I may easily have missed it, since I am not well read in the area, but I haven't seen anything that claims the GMO seeds hurt bees. Here's a portion of a very thorough article on Wikipedia which discusses the possibility of such a link:

There are no data in the scientific literature supporting direct or indirect damage to bees caused by currently approved GE crops engineered to make Bt proteins. For example, in 2008 a meta-analysis of 25 independent studies assessing effects of Bt Cry proteins on honeybee survival (mortality) showed that Bt proteins used in commercialized GE crops to control lepidopteran and coleopteran pests do not negatively impact the survival of honeybee larvae or adults. Additionally, larvae consume only a small percent of their protein from pollen, and there is also a lack of geographic correlation between GE crop locations and regions where CCD occurs.

en.wikipedia.org...
It may be very misleading to think GMO has anything to do with damage to bees.

So what is the source article left with? Neonicotinoids.

Here's a link to a summary of the USDA's findings as of 2012 and gateways to several other studies:
www.ars.usda.gov...
Among other things, they say:

Several studies that reported a negative impact on honey bees by neonicotinoids relied on large, unrealistic doses and gave bees no other choice for pollen, and therefore did not reflect risk to honey bees under real world conditions. Nor have the studies demonstrated a direct connection or correlation to CCD.

There have been scientific findings that imply that neonicotinoids have sublethal effects on honey bees at approved doses and exposures. ARS scientists and other researchers are looking into whether such sublethal effects may correlate with CCD or other bee health problems and whether they could be a contributing cause of CCD.

While a number of potential causes have been championed by a variety of researchers and interest groups, none of them have stood up to detailed scrutiny. Every time a claim is made of finding a “smoking gun,” further investigation has not been able to make the leap from a correlation to cause-and-effect. Other times, not even a scientific correlation has been demonstrated in the study claiming to have found “the cause” of CCD.

Researchers have concluded that no one factor is the cause of CCD. Most likely, CCD is caused by multiple factors. It is not possible to know at this time if all CCD incidents are due to the same set of factors or if the factors follow the same sequence in every case.

As much as I distrust the government, especially now, it seems as though the least exciting conclusion is probably the most likely.

CCD is probably caused by a combination of things which no one can yet agree on, and no statement of "XYZ is the cause." is scientifically valid yet.

Originally posted by tracehd1
Yes it's worth going to war over. I am sick to death of Americans and their greed and selfishness and yes laziness!!!

Whatever turns a fast buck...screw regulations and why they are there!!!!

I am certainly not a today's American.

Please don't lump all Americans into this group. 97% of Americans are honest, hard working people and definitely not lazy. Every country has scum of the earth Elitist citizens out for a fast buck. Many Americans are fighting Monsanto also and going to war only punishes more innocent people of the globe like you and me. There won't be many survivors in the next world war.

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The only credible war for hundreds of years? How do you define a credible war? I mean Hitler would have exterminated every Jew on the planet if we hadn't entered WW2 and we would all be speaking German in the U.S. I think going to war to protect YOUR way of life is a credible reason.

I agree that honey bee deaths and GMO crops are very important issues that are not being addressed as closely as they should. But if the US and Russia go to war, it will pretty much kill everything on the planet. So I am not really following Mr. Putin's rationale for that.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Over Syria and Iran no doubt. As for these two things? they are a cover.