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The Big Navy Thread

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posted on May, 27 2013 @ 07:17 AM
Hi folks, many of us enjoy all things naval & maritime so I'm kicking this thread off in the hope that people contribute interesting things they find about new, old & current ships, naval technology & strategies, fleet dispositions etc etc. I'd love for us to have a thread which can self perpetuate, even if there's only a few of us enthusiastic enough to keep it going.

I didn't really know where to start, apart from a look at some ships which I find interesting myself. So I started writing some stuff up and it kinda took wings and became a bit of a mess lol. But I seem to be cataloging NATO navy ships, which wasn't my original intention. Nvrm. It's still a work in progress, feel free to add new ships, pictures, especially if you're in a non NATO country (really especially South America, the middle east, Asia & the Pacific areas). I'll add more on to my OP over the weeks ahead, it's a long leisurely ramble of a thread so add anything on and we can kick off the discussion.

2 Karel Doorman class frigates

6 Chasseur de Mines Tripartite (Flower class minesweepers)

3 Wielingen class frigates

1 Koni class frigate
2 Pauk class ASW corvettes
1 Tarantul missile corvette
1 Tripartite class (or Flower class) minesweeper
(see entry under Belgium)

12 Halifax class frigates

3 Iroquois class destroyers

4 Victoria class submarines

12 Kingston class patrol vessels

2 Kralj class fast attack missile boats

2 Helsinki class missile boats
1 Končar class fast attack boatčar_class_fast_attack_craft

Czech Republic
Landlocked ! No maritime forces.

Denmark (Søværnets)
3 Iver Huitfeldt class air defence frigates

2 Absalon class command & support ships

4 Thetis class frigates
3 Knud Rasmussen class ocean patrol vessels

Estonia (Merevägi)
1 Beskytteren-class ocean patrol vessel

3 Sandown class minesweepers

France (Marine nationale)
1 Charles de Gaulle class aircraft carrier

3 Mistral class amphibious assault ships

1 Foudre class landing platform dock
3 Bâtiment de Transport Léger class landing ships
2 Horizon class air defense frigates

2 Cassard class air defense frigates

2 Tourville class destroyers

1 FREMM multipurpose frigate

7 Georges Leygues class frigates

5 La Fayette class light stealth frigates / Frégate Légère

6 Floréal-class frigateséal_class_frigate

9 D'Estienne d'Orves-class anti submarine patrol ships'Estienne_d'Orves-class_aviso

11 Tripartite-class minehunters
(See entry for Belgium)
1 Monge class Missile Range Instrumentation Ship

1 Dupuy de Lôme class signals & intelligence shipôme_(A759)

6 Rubis class SSN attack submarines

4 Triomphant-class SSBN ballistic missile submarines

Germany (Deutsche Marine)
3 Sachsen class air defense frigates

4 Brandenburg class frigates

6 Bremen class multipurpose frigates

5 Braunschweig class multipurpose corvettes

4 Class 212 diesel electric submarines

Greece (Hellenic Navy)(Πολεμικό Ναυτικό)
4 Hydra MEKO class multipurpose frigates

9 Elli class frigates

8 Osprey class variant gunboats
7 Roussen class fast attack boats

posted on May, 27 2013 @ 07:20 AM

7 Roussen class fast attack boats

4 La Combattante III-class fast attack craft
5 La Combattante IIIb-class fast attack craft
3 La Combattante IIa-class fast attack craft
3 Type 209/1100 Diesel Electric attack submarines
4 Type 209/1200 Diesel Electric attack submarines

4 Type 214 Diesel Electric attack submarines

No sea going navy to speak of.

Iceland (Landhelgisgæsla Íslands)
2 Ægir-class offshore patrol vesselsÆgir_class_OPV
1 UT 512L type offshore patrol vesselÞór

Italy (Marina Militare)
2 Type 212 Diesel Electric attack submarines

4 Sauro class Diesel Electric attack submarines

1 Cavour class aircraft carrier

1 Giuseppe Garibaldi class light aircraft carrier

3 San Giorgio class amphibious assault ships

2 Orrizonte (Horizon) class air defense frigates

2 Durand de la Penne class destroyers

8 Maestrale class frigates

4 Lupo class light frigates

Well that's a start and all the NATO/OTAN navies up to Italy covered, with their major warships n'all. Like I say feel free to add your own favourite ships, I'll pick up the yoke again within the next few weeks and play out the rest of NATO/OTAN .

posted on May, 27 2013 @ 07:27 AM

Visualize an advanced version with space launch craft from SUB @ sea...

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posted on May, 27 2013 @ 07:32 AM
Best wishes to all for the memorial holiday as well...


posted on May, 27 2013 @ 08:07 PM

This is the USS Fort McHenry, a vessel on which I formerly served during my time in the Navy. During my time onboard, she was homeported in Sasebo, Japan. Now she is in Little Creek, Virginia.

The Fort Mac is a Whidbey Island Class L.S.D or Dock Landing Ship as she was called. Officially, she was a Landing Ship, Dock. When I was stationed onboard, her primary mission was to transport and retrieve amphibious vehicles, Marines, Seals, EOD, Seabees and SWCC teams all over Southeast Asia.

The aft half of the ship is a flight deck with a capacity for up to six helicopters. And below that is a well deck which is filled with water by ballasting down. This allows us to bring on amphibious vehicles.

This is the Fort Mac's well deck being filled to take on various craft. At the time, I believe we were bringing on two LCU's.

What we would haul:

LCAC - The Navy's Hovercraft

Boarding the Fort Mac.

On the beach in Banda Aceh, Sumatra. I took this one while in the Seabees. We were there doing disaster relief for the 2005 Tsunami.

LCU - The Navy's Landing Craft

Sitting in the Well Deck. This boat later ended up sitting there for a very long time after she busted her starboard rudder right up through the floor of the engine room while we were off of Iwo Jima for the 60th anniversary. Some idiot didn't fill the well deck with enough water.

An LCU docking in the Well Deck

AAV - Amphibious Assault Vehicles

*Not my photo - From Wikipedia


* From Wikipedia.

This picture was actually taken onboard the USS Tortuga ('___'-46) which was the vessel that replaced the Fort Mac in Sasebo.

Mk. V Special Operations Craft

* From Wikipedia

We took two Mark V boats to the Philippines aboard the Fort Mac as a part of Operation Enduring Freedom. Otherwise, we didn't see them much. At the time I was no longer stationed on the Fort Mac. I was with the Seabees and I was not allowed to take pictures nor even bring a camera during that entire operation. But I did get tax free combat pay. Cha Ching.

We also worked with a variety of helicopters. Primarily the CH-53, the SH-60 and the CH-46. On occasion we also took on the UH-1 Huey and the AH-1 Supercobra. Unfortunately, I don't have photos of most of these. Just a couple.

An SH-60 doing Vertrep. Dropping off crates of food. That is a CH-46 parked with the rear ramp open to the left.

A CH-53 stowed on the flight deck. These were the worst to work with. They create such a powerful down draft when they come in to land. It makes you feel like you are going to get thrown overboard.

And sometimes we would haul nothing but land vehicles. This photo, for example, was when were transporting Marine and Seabee equipment. The well deck was filled with Trucks, Heavy Equipment and Humvees. The Flight Deck was covered with Humvees, MRE's and Diesel Generators.
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posted on May, 28 2013 @ 04:10 PM
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Thank you for your personal account from USS Fort McHenry, it was an interesting read and the photos are great. These ships are workhorses in so many ways, I don't think we value them sufficiently for the work they do with the army & special forces and especially with humanitarian relief efforts.

Not much naval news from UK today that I can see. BBC Scotland had a news report from the BAe Scotstoun yard, showing video from the aft island assembly of the new HMS Queen Elizabeth. Once they put a link on their site, I'll hook it into the "England's Super Carriers" thread so you folks can have a look.

French company Thales has signed a £600 million contract for the British Royal Navy and the Sensors Support Optimisation Project (SSOP). The company will repair, update the navy's sonar & electronic warfare systems across 17 different platforms.

The agreement means Thales will maintain 17 different systems across the British fleet, including the latest Type 45 destroyers, Type 23 frigates and Hunt and Sandown classes of minehunters. It includes the Navy’s nuclear submarines’ visual systems, including periscopes for the Vanguard and Trafalgar classes. It also extends to work on the new Astute class submarines’ advanced optronic masts, bringing the maintenance together under a single contract. The contract will secure 230 Thales jobs at sites in Glasgow, Manchester, Somerset and West Sussex. A further 300 jobs will be secured through the UK supply chain. Signing the contract at Thales’s plant in Crawley, West Sussex, Philip Dunne, Minister for Defence Equipment, Support and Technology, said:“This contract is good news for the Ministry of Defence and UK industry. Not only will it secure a number of jobs across the UK whilst delivering savings but will also provide essential support for the combat equipment that helps give the Royal Navy’s fleet of ships and submarines a vital technological edge.”

Daily Telegraph

Sad news too tonight from Scapa Flow in Orkney, the British island group north of Scotland, where the German High Seas Fleet famously scuttled itself in 1919. Unfortunately two divers have gone missing while diving on the German battleship SMS Brummer, the coastguard have given up on the search.

posted on Jun, 1 2013 @ 11:02 AM
One of the oldest ships in the British Navy returned to it's homeland this week, completing a deployment which started in ... August 2011 ! That's an awful long time at sea. A lot of making up to do for these sailors and their wives !

RFA Gold Rover serves as a replenishment ship for British ships making their way to and from the Falkland Islands / Malvinas / îles Malouines. At 39 yrs old, she's one of the oldest ships in the British fleet. Not a particularly glamorous ship but one on which all everyone else depends. May the crew have a great period of leave.

I was talking to a French navy friend during the week, he was saying their heart sick the Brits went for the F35B rather than the cats & traps F35. They think it could severely damage cross operations between US, French and British navy ships, they don't think the British F35s will be able to operate easily from US & French ships at all. That is very disappointing to learn, the French Navy was hoping to use HMS Prince of Wales from which to base Rafale M's when their carrier CDG is in for maintenance.

I was hoping to post more today but I have a soccer match to attend, will be back later.

posted on Jun, 1 2013 @ 11:08 AM
I am a military girl and I love my history so my vote goes for the USS Constitution who kicked butt during her service. Our first commissioned warship who took on the British and won.

posted on Jun, 1 2013 @ 11:24 AM

Originally posted by LeBombDiggity

I was talking to a French navy friend during the week, he was saying their heart sick the Brits went for the F35B rather than the cats & traps F35. They think it could severely damage cross operations between US, French and British navy ships, they don't think the British F35s will be able to operate easily from US & French ships at all. That is very disappointing to learn, the French Navy was hoping to use HMS Prince of Wales from which to base Rafale M's when their carrier CDG is in for maintenance.

I was kind of hoping the same thing. But converting the HMS Prince of Wales to a CATOBAR system was just too expensive.

Other than that, I don't have all that much faith in the F-35B quite yet. The US Navy is still going to rely heavily on F/A-18 Super Hornet for many years to come. Having an allied carrier on which these aircraft could land would have been great.

posted on Jun, 24 2013 @ 12:21 PM
Latvia (Latvijas Jūras Spēki)
Modest capabilities, mainly minesweeping under BALTRON.

Again, mainly minesweeping in Baltic waters.

Landlocked. No navy !

Netherlands (Koninklijke Marine)
4 De Zeven Provinciën-class air defense & command frigatesën-class_frigate

2 Karel Doorman-class frigates

2 Rotterdam Class Amphibious Docks

4 Walrus Class Diesel Electric Attack Submarines

6 Tripartite Class Minesweepers (See entry under Belgium)

Norway (Sjøforsvaret)
5 Fridtjof Nansen-class frigates

6 Ula Class Diesel Electric attack submarines

Poland (Marynarka Wojenna)
Two Oliver Hazard Perry frigatesł_Kazimierz_Pułaski

5 Kobben-class diesel electric submarines

Portugal (Marinha Portuguesa)
2 Tridente Class electric motored submarines

2 Bartolomeu Dias (Karel Doorman) Class Frigates
2 Vasco da Gama class frigates

3 Baptista de Andrade-class corvettes

Romania (Forţele Navale Române)
2 Batch 2 Type 22 Destroyers

1 Mărăşeşti Class frigateărăşeşti

2 Admiral Petre Bărbuneanu-class corvettesărbuneanu_class_corvette

2 Rear-Admiral Eustațiu Sebastian-class corvettesțiu_Sebastian_class_corvette

No navy

Not much of a navy to speak of

Spain (Armada Española)
3 Agosta-class diesel submarines

1 Juan Carlos light aircraft carrier / LHD

2 Galicia-class landing platform docks

4 Álvaro de Bazán-class air defense frigatesÁlvaro_de_Bazán_class_frigate

6 Santa María-class frigatesía_class_frigate

Turkey (Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri)
4 Gür class Type 209T2/1400 submarines

4 Preveze class Type 209T1/1400 submarines

6 Atılay class Type 209/1200 submarines
8 MEKO 200 Class frigates **

8 Gabya class (Oliver Hazard Perry class) frigates

27 Fast Attack Craft, of varying classes, such asılıç_class_fast_attack_craft

United Kingdom
2 Astute Class SSN attack submarines

5 Trafalgar Class SSN attack submarines

4 Vanguard Class SSBN Ballistic Missile Submarines

1 Invincible Class Light Aircraft Carrier

2 Albion Class Landing Platform Docks

1 Ocean Class Amphibious Assault Ship

13 Type 23 Frigates

6 Type 45 Guided Missile Destroyers

posted on Jun, 24 2013 @ 12:23 PM

6 Type 45 Guided Missile Destroyers

^HMS Dragon^ ^gotta love that graphic^
8 Hunt Class Minesweepers

6 Sandown Class Minesweepers
2 Echo Class Survey Ships

OK that's all the non-USA NATO/OTAN nations ... next it will be Australia, New Zealand, India. Maybe in a day or two though.

posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 10:05 AM
Kinda forgot about this little thread. Time for an update.

USS Gerald R. Ford took to the water (a little bit) yesterday, her dock's been flooded.

Now this is one beautiful hull.

Huntington Ingalls Industries (HII) announced today that its Newport News Shipbuilding (NNS) division began flooding the dry dock where the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) has been under construction since November 2009. With the push of a dozen buttons, ship’s sponsor Susan Ford Bales initiated the flow of more than 100 million gallons of water into the dry dock.

Navy Recognition
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posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 10:40 AM
reply to post by allenidaho

Interesting pic of the SH-60, which is actually a UH-60 in Navy colors. I hadn't seen a UH flown to a ship before.

posted on Oct, 12 2013 @ 11:01 AM
British Type 45 air-defense destroyer HMS Daring is seen here this week at Sydney Harbor, Australia, where it represented UK at the Royal Australian Navy’s (RAN) International Fleet Review 2013.

And progress continues on USS Zumwalt, revolutionary design but unbelievably expensive

And here's an interesting little ship ... BNS Bangabandhu of the Bangladesh Navy. It has some impressive statistics for a warship from what is essentially a third world country. It is equipped with the Otomat Mk.II Block.IV AShM, an advanced and highly capable missile system with a range of 180+ km; these AShMs can change course mid-flight and the warship does not need to be repositioned to fire at the target (unlike other anti-ship missiles). It will be upgraded with the addition of another quad Otomat AShM launcher. The vessel is armed with point-defence surface to air missile system in the form of 8 FM-90N SAMs (15 km range) and 4 x Otobreda 40 mm/70 (2 twin) compact CIWS. The vessel is also armed with 6 x 324 mm B-515 (2 triple) tubes which fire the EuroTorp Whitehead A244/S Mod.3 torpedoes (which is the latest version of that particular torpedo). All of these weapons systems together with the 1 x Otobreda 76 mm/62 Super Rapid Gun give the vessel extensive combat capability. This frigate is also equipped with Thales sensors including Mirador optical tracking system and Lirod Mk. 2 fire control radar. The combat management system of the ship is Thales TACTICOS. The Agusta-Westland AW109 Power naval helicopter on board is compatible to fire the C-704 AShMs and torpedoes among other weapons.

Finally just a picture of one of the Russian Kirov class battlecruisers, Pyotr Velikiy, which is in active service with the Russian Navy. All four battlecruisers are scheduled to be in service within 7 years. They're magnificent ... the size of small battleships.

posted on Oct, 19 2013 @ 09:06 AM
New Indian aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya is to be accepted from the Russian builders in a commissioning ceremony on 15th November. Indian Defense Minister A.K. Antony will travel to the builders yard in November to accept the ship into the Navy.

The 45,000 tonne warship will eventually carry 16 MIG 29-K airplanes & 10 helicopters of various description. I think this ship will replace the outstanding aircraft carrier INS Viraat (the former British carrier HMS Hermes) ... if there's ever a ship for the Brits to save it's that one.

New Delhi: All the trials have been completed and INS Vikramaditya, formerly known as Admiral Gorskhov, will be handed over to the Indian Navy on November 15. Once inducted, the warship will join the fleet along with INS Viraat, which is over half a century old but is expected to serve till 2018.

The carrier was purchased by India on 20 January 2004 after years of negotiations at a final price of $2.35 billion. The warship will be equipped with, as a part of the deal, 12 single-seat Mikoyan MiG-29K 'Fulcrum-D' and four dual-seat MiG-29KUB aircraft (with an option for 14 more aircraft), six Kamov Ka-31 "Helix" reconnaissance and anti-submarine helicopters, torpedo tubes, missile systems, and artillery units.

Indian Navy’s long term objective is to be able to respond to emergent situations far away from main land. After China’s ‘string of pearls’ theory, India needs to develop a grand strategy to counter the Chinese aggression in the Indian Ocean. INS Vikramaditya will have to play a crucial role in achieving this objective.

During the three-month sea trials, the ship had demonstrated excellent seaworthiness, speed of 27.9 knots (about 52 km per hour) and manoeuvrability

New Delhi: The long-delayed aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya will be inducted into Indian Navy by Defence Minister A K Antony during his Russia visit slated between November 15-17.

After a delay of around five years, 45,000 aircraft carrier is expected to be handed over to the Navy on November 15 in Russia, where it is presently undergoing refit.

"The Defence Minister is expected to induct the warship into the Indian Navy during his visit for the Indo-Russian Inter-Governmental Commission for Military and Technical Cooperation meeting now expected to be held in November," sources said here.

Zee News India
Zee News India

posted on Oct, 19 2013 @ 09:08 AM
And the paintjob on USS Zumwalt is coming on apace ... what a weird looking ship ... I hope for the US taxpayers that it lives up to expectation.

posted on Oct, 19 2013 @ 10:08 AM
Good thread, Diggity!

You missed off for the Royal Navy (not British Navy
) the River Class Patrol craft and the two Antarctic Patrol ships HMS Protector and Endurance - although strictly speaking the last two aren't warships, although they are armed.

One thing I noticed from reading this thread though is just how many ships some fellow Euro nations have - I always knew the French had a large Navy, but the Italians? Who da thunk it!

posted on Oct, 19 2013 @ 10:59 AM
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Hello there Stumason, well thanks for dropping by ! I'm trying my best to keep all things naval at the top of the ATS agenda but I fear we're missing a critical mass of interested persons, nevermind though.

Yes ! The Europeans (UK included) have always made a great contribution to the OTAN/NATO maritime strength. And that's going to become even more important as the US looks more to the Pacific than it does our way. I think though (you won't like this) that it makes more sense for us to be properly integrated ... one command structure, common ship design, munitions, spare parts etc etc ... but I know you will splutter into your tea cup at that thought.

posted on Oct, 19 2013 @ 12:10 PM
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Hehe, I didn't splutter too much

It's something that has been attempted a few times - the Type 45 started life as a Euro project but very early on it became clear that everyone had different needs - the UK and France like to have a Blue water capability for expeditionary forces, whereas everyone else tends too look a lot closer to home. Then there is the issue of who gets to build what and shipbuilding is something every nation wants to do itself, it gets very political, especially in the UK where the only real shipbuilding that gets done these days is for the MoD!

I wouldn't object to shared designs etc, it makes sense, but when everyone has different needs it is hard to accomplish.

posted on Oct, 21 2013 @ 12:14 PM
Just a picture from earlier of the new Japanese flat topped destroyer, Izumo.
Quite nice lines, I think !

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